General chat for vaping vipers.

[magimedi]

Hooray to getting our own space (within giving up smoking).

& (gin) to MNHQ for giving us this space.

I'm hoping some of our most knowledgeable vapers are going to start threads about specific aspects of vaping.

New-ish!! he'd be very disappointed...
I never smoked around him previously, bet he knew though!

Does noone else find it a massive faff? Charging batteries, I have a vamo v5 and a spinner I use, had a mvp which seems to not like 99% of the things I attach to it anymore and outputs a paltry amount of vapour.

The researching and buying of tanks/clearos is a git too, obviously they dont last forever, but there are a zillion different types, and omg juices I have a few I like but it's such a pain ordering and waiting. Am fed up of it, want to be everything free.

And god constantly filling the things and cleaning them and having to wash my hands cos the oil can poison you agghhhhh.

No faff at all, velouria. It's just a habit now. I have a few batteries & use them in rotation & can fill my tank in under a minute without spilling it.

The only thing is to remember not to leave batteries charging when out or over night - so am now off to unplug one!

I like the ritual of it all. Filling the tank, trying new juices, my lovely new IKEA box I've bought for all the bits and bobs.

Haha I do wonder sometimes when I look at my 4 drawer unit full of stuff and remember the little packet of tobacco I used to have. I think I must like the faff to an extent - I make my own coils. Mostly I'm just so grateful to have found something that keeps me off the fags.

I wonder if you can pull the pin up on your MVP like you can on an ego battery. I'll find the link when I'm on my laptop. That's a handy bit of faff to know

. I googled around and apparently this does work on an MVP. It's less likely to happen again if you make sure you don't screw your clearos down tight - just screw them on until the threads start to 'bite'.

I've just gotten my nature vape mini, it's fabulous, but is drinking juice and is very airy, any way to tighten the draw?

thanks plenty will give it a go :)

Ordering juice is easier than walking to the shop 3 mins away and buying tobacco. I just order once a month online and it appears through my letter box the next day.

Maybe I don't see the faff aspect as I only vape one flavour, only used bog standard 1100 ego batteries ( have 3 ) and Kanger T2 clearos. I don't have to check to see if I've got baccy/papers/filters/lighters. And I don't have to worry about smelling of fags.

I never smoked in my house so it was only me and my clothes that smelt of smoke, but since I've stopped, I've noticed the fag smell on things other people bring to my house, like my DD's friend's school bag and a pals' ipad cover........It's minging

Did you guys have something on your local news about pubs banning e-cigs?

It was on the National news! The World Health Organisation want to ban ecig in public places and ban all the sweet type flavoured liquids to prevent them appealing to under 18's! I hope they don't! I'm loving my
toffee flavour at the moment!

Sorry indoor public places! Like pubs!

This'll be the WHO thing. They had a press conference today announcing their position, it's up for debate in October. I haven't had time to read anything proper yet but from what I can gather it's caused a few ructions.

BBC here and here.

Haven't read it yet but expect sense from Clive Bates and Farsalinos.

Something you can do to help is add your comments to a letter to WHO here.

The WHO report is here if anybody wants some hefty reading.

Ah great - I'll have a look at that.
How's things going everyone?! I bought a new "tube" thing - no leaks when attached to the black battery - names escape me right now :-) I'm on the desktop site instead of the mobile site (as I couldn't find the threads I was on)

hi all, im a rolly smoker but i want to give up and start vaping. can any body recommend a full set up, thats not too expensive. I'm completely confused, there are so many different types to buy. I've tried a friends vapor and it was nice and fruity. apologies as i realise this has probably asked a million times

Just marking my place to see what you all make of the WHO report when you've had time to read it. Was alarmed by the bits about vaping liquid (well some brands anyway) containing carcinogenic compounds, and bits about nicotine being a tumour accelerant anyway. I really thought I was doing something safe

pinksquidgy, you have done a marvellous thing for your health and the health of those around you! Whatever you do, don't switch back to fags.

I won't have time to read this WHO paper in detail until the weekend as I have a huge deadline on Friday. Meanwhile, this and this should hopefully reassure you. They have included all the data they could get their hands on, as opposed to the WHO who have cherrypicked massively.

A few things to keep in mind when you are reading:

• nothing is 100% safe and nothing can be proven safe - the best any study can do is find no evidence of harm. Nicotine carries a few small risks and on its own is similar in its harm profile to caffeine. Notice how the nicotine they are scaremongering about is exactly the same substance as is present in the (ineffective) NRT that they recommend you use instead.

• The pharma industry (big funders of WHO) is shit scared of ecigs because they are massively losing profits, not only from the current huge drop in sales of NRT but from the future lack of demand for cancer treatments. We've already seen Glaxo's underhand tactics in relation to the TPD. There will be a whole lot of lobbying going on with the WHO in advance of the October debate.

• there are currently two ecigs which are going through the process of medicinal licences. It is highly likely both will be approved. There is nothing different about these ecigs except they will likely have a much higher level of nicotine than most people using consumer products currently use.

• any research with the name Stanton Glantz on it is only good for wiping your arse. Even other scientists on the same 'side' as him are asking him to kindly STFU as he is making them look rather stupid.

I'm rather depressed about the future of vaping today. I was helping out a bit at my friends' place today & I was on the phone to a guy who was the head office pharmacy specialist of a chain, so presumably an intelligent man & a scientist by definition.

He said they'd changed their minds about stocking e-cig products & started spouting all the usual rubbish about:
a) the batteries are dangerous because they explode on charge
b) they are all marketed at children and
c) they encourage non-smokers to use them, because of how the TV is plastered with endless adverts about them being "cool"

I was very polite, explained that NO reputable company would aim their advertising at children & most ban under 18s from their web sites, and that the battery fire thing is the same as laptop or mobile phone charging fires. I didn't get a chance to even discuss why c) was a bit unlikely before he completely dismissed everything I said. I ended up just asking him to read the ASH report before ending the call (again politely).

So depressing when supposedly intelligent people can have such a very closed mind about some things, and only listen to what they are "sold" rather than researching a subject .