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Step daughter makes me feel so unhappy in my own home

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Futurebride · 27/02/2024 00:08

I'm not really asking for advice but not sure what else to try to make things better. Sorry this goes on a bit.

My SD age 13 won't acknowledge me and its got worse since I married her fantastic dad. I've known her for 7 years, she was always cold toward me but I thought in time things would improve. Eventually they did a little, but since the wedding things have deteriorated. SDs mum is jealous and intentionally unhelpful and works against us - we have standards and are trying to bring SD up to be a respectful, balanced person but SDs Mum won't work with us on discipline (she thinks it's OK for SD to shout F Off in my face and says she doesn't care what goes on in our house) and won't remove privileges for really bad behaviour like we do, so we are seen as the bad guys.

SD is increasingly difficult (knowing her mum will back her up). She won't acknowledge me or talk to me. She leaves the room purposely saying goodbye Dad, goodbye Dog, but not me. She increasingly harps on about the times before I was in her life. She says the sky is green if I say it is blue. I cook her favourite food then she refuses to eat it. She is refusing to do anything her Dad asks her to and is rude. In addition, we have the usual teenage battles of too much phone time, only coming out her room to eat, refusing to engage in household activities when we give her the choice of what to do together, refusing to clean her room etc. She has vaped at 12, smoked joint and now just had sex at 13.

Her attitude is so awful toward me and her Dad that the atmosphere is now awful in my own home. She genuinely believes she can do what she wants in life. We have suggested she perhaps spends more time with her Mum but she doesn't want to (as she has a friend near our house). I have an older daughter so I know about teenagers but SD is is on a different level. We have never criticised her mum in front of her. I have only once tried to intervene in discipline when she was screaming at her Dad and that went very wrong. In 7 years I have always bit my tongue on her manners and behaviour and try to address them through her Dad. He has been good in trying to address her behaviour and they used to have a close relationship as he has spent so much time doing outdoorsy things with her, but now he is at a loss what to do, esp with the promiscuity this week. SD is already having counseling at our suggestion as she wont talk to us. I have always been kind to her and not get involved with discipline, but it has got a lot worse not helped by the fact her Mum says her Dad doesn't want to know her since he got married! (We are dealing with a jealous witch) We are therefore dealing with 2 children and just don't know how to make things better for all of us. She is with us every other week but I now feel like I don't want to be here when SD is , yet it is my house.

OP posts:
CwmYoy · 27/02/2024 10:24

Why allow such behaviour in your own house. Tell DH that she either shapes up or she doesn't come.

arethereanyleftatall · 27/02/2024 10:29

'Dictating' is an odd choice of word.

We'll have to disagree.

I do prioritise my children, yes. I chose to have them, and I choose to put them first in major decisions.

You can disagree.

MorningSunshineSparkles · 27/02/2024 10:34

Her mum is right in that whatever goes on in your home is not her business and she should not be continuing punishments across households. That’s a sure fire way to alienate the girl from both her parents. Sounds like she can’t stand the fact that you’re in her life, which she has every right to feel, so perhaps you and her father should live apart when he has contact with her.

SKG231 · 27/02/2024 10:36

Your husband needs to be putting his foot down and letting his daughter know they her behaviour and attitude isn’t acceptable and won’t be tolerated in the house.

I would be telling her that she won’t be able to stay in the house until she can be respectable to everyone who lives there. He can say this whilst also letting her know he loves her and wants her there.

this behaviour wouldn’t be over looked or excused for a child living with both of their biological parents so why should it be excused in this situation.

Putadonkonit · 27/02/2024 10:37

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 27/02/2024 10:17

No child should be dictating an adults life. End of.

If you choose to have children, you need to take responsibility for them and care about their happiness and wellbeing.

If you're too selfish to do that, don't have them in the first place!

There's no wonder so many people end up on the streets completely fucked up by their own childhood when so many adults think they can wash their hands of a 13 year old.

MenopauseSucks · 27/02/2024 10:39

Surely it's the marital home belonging to both the OP & her DH?
Or if it was the OP's prior to her marriage, is there a way that you can get married but legally ringfence a property?
So this property belongs solely to the OP & her DH has no claim on it, he is only allowed to stay there because of marriage & he has no say on whether his child can stay?

If it is the marital home then as the child of the DH, the DSC can stay there as it's his home & by default should be her home when she's there.
If she's made to feel like a guest when she sees her Dad then this could be a reason why she's kicking off.

Shuttled between houses, living with her mother who is intent on using her weapon or living with her Dad & being a guest in his house.
Her behaviour isn't great but neither is her living situation.

Queenconsult · 27/02/2024 10:39

Lumiodes · 27/02/2024 08:47

A decent kid doesn’t start smoking and having sex at 13 just because she doesn’t like her SM. This isn’t about you. She’s a bad apple and clearly isn’t being parented properly. It’s your house, just tell her she’s not allowed in and her dad will have to see her elsewhere!

A bad apple? Excuse me? At 13 she cannot consent to sex so you’re saying an abused child is a bad apple.

The 1920’s called

they want their vile opinions back

Crazycatlady79 · 27/02/2024 10:40

Please do not refer to promiscuity in relation to a 13 year old, whatever issues you may be having with her.

Amugwithoutahandle · 27/02/2024 10:40

Part of what follows comes across as quite harsh op so please know it’s written with good intentions. I understand you are in a really difficult situation. But your dd needs urgent help.

Your dd is quite a young teen still and, given a firm steer, the worst of the “normal” adolescent behaviour will improve eventually as she matures and starts to see things in not so black and white terms and she might start questioning her mother’s behaviour too.

Equally though, taking drugs and having sex at thirteen is way more serious than just the “usual” teenage troubles. This girl needs serious help for the next five years at least and probably beyond that until she is in her early twenties.

The first thing I would be addressing is cause. Is this behaviour all the stepmum’s fault? Honestly? Are you not seeing your dh’s parenting through rose tinted spectacles just a bit?

Sorry to ask but when your dsd keeps referring back to before you were on the scene; is there any legitimate reason for her to blame you for the break up of her parents marriage? Why is she finding it so impossible to accept? Is her mother fuelling this?
Why is your sdd so angry?

Your dsd’s mother is being very immature if she can’t get over her personal feelings to work with her ex for the sake of her child. Consequences like privileges being removed do need to work across both households. But if that just isn’t happening, you need to hold firm in your home and sorry but your dh doesn’t have the luxury of being “at a loss” as time is of the essence. If he can’t cope, he needs to seek professional advice and get help with his own parenting.

Also, you calling your dsd’s mother a jealous witch on here isn’t indicative of great maturity on your part either, even if you don’t say that in front of your sd. Why is there still so much jealousy on the sm’s part after seven years?

Having said that, I think you are in an almost impossible position op tbh. Not having ultimate control over discipline but nonetheless getting the brunt of your sd’s poor behaviour.

I think you do need to draw some firmer boundaries for behaviour in your own home though such as “shouting in my face is unacceptable” ie you don’t engage with her at all if she doesn’t speak to you respectfully, never mind cook her the food she likes. And you and your dh need to form a very solid team as her behaviour is aimed at dividing you.

First and foremost, I agree with others that this teen needs urgent help. Yes she’s being a vile, stroppy teenager but on top of that she is HURTING. Her outward behaviour is a sign of her inner turmoil. It’s good she is getting therapy. However disruptive and hurtful and annoying her behaviour is, you can’t take it personally and you can’t just dismiss it as something she needs to stop without more serious input by her parents. Frankly, all of you involved in her parenting need to wake up and accept that she is waving a massive “help” flag in your direction.

If I were her dad, I would be launching some sort of serious intervention in response to a teen dd taking drugs and having sex at thirteen years. Girls generally don’t seek intimate relationships that young if their relationship with their father is sound. And the sex and drugs are classic “look at me and notice” tactics.

So even if it takes time away from your family, your dh needs to urgently re-instigate spending one on one time with his dd. Take her away at weekends if necessary, insist she accompanies him. At thirteen she shouldn’t be getting too much choice about it. She needs to know that she is a high priority in his life. For whatever reason, however much she is loved by her father, your dsd is not getting that message enough.

You say your dh is a great parent but does he know who her friends are? Does he know how she spends her time between end of school and dinner? Is it time for a change of school? Does he interact with her teachers or does he leave all of that to his ex? Does he know if his child is absenting herself from school or not? Are you sure that the friend she sees near you is not a cover for her bf? Who are the bf’s parents? Why does she have the freedom at thirteen to be in a situation where she is taking drugs and having sex? Where did these activities take place? Your dh needs to be discussing all of these issues with his ex and taking the initiative himself to sort them out.

Your dh really needs to step up. Your dsd shouldn’t be getting the choice of eating in her room. Nor the freedom to mix with unsuitable friends. She’s thirteen not seventeen! When she leaves and says goodbye to her dad and the dog and not to you, what does your dh say? He should be insisting that she treats you with respect.

This is a classic example of all three adult figures in your sd’s life not giving her enough boundaries because you are all conscious that she has had a difficult time. All three of you need to step up and parent her but your dh most of all. Boundaries will make her feel safe and loved. She also needs to be given responsibilities that challenge her and more interesting purposeful activities other than messing around with unsuitable friends who are leading her astray. That needs to be nipped in the bud straightaway. She simply shouldn’t have the time.

Many problems with teens arise because they are completely left to their own devices for several hours every evening between end of school and when parents get home from work. I am not saying this is the case in your home op! But one suggestion could be for your dh to alter his work pattern so that, a couple of days a week, he can pick his dd up from school and take her out for example?
The message she should be getting here is not “I am at a loss” but more “I love you too much to allow you to behave this way, so we are going to do something different together”.

And I understood why you might want a break from her op and wish for your dsd to spend more time with her mother, but for her sake, you should be wanting her to spend more time with you if possible where more discipline and structure is in place.

Sorry for the essay! This sounds harsh and it’s horrible being miserable in your own home op, and not good for your dd also if her stepmum is depressed, as all the adults in her life need to be modelling purposeful, cheerful pleasantness as far as possible. However, your dh’s dd is a non negotiable part of his life. They came as a package. And she is a troubled child, and she is in difficulty atm, so your needs come second while that is being addressed. Good luck.

Beamur · 27/02/2024 10:41

Haven't rtft.
SD is obviously unhappy. Has been for some time.
My opinion fwiw - DH is the key to all of this.
OP - drop the rope. Stop trying to co parent this child. Be present be kind, de-escalate any arguments but stop doing stuff for her and step back. When she's around concentrate on your own DD.
DH needs to step up and do the parenting - which includes being a bit firmer about the boundaries of acceptable behaviour - especially towards the op and he needs to be more available to his DD without the OP also being there.
She shouldn't leave the home, and if DH and his DD need space/time it should be elsewhere.
I think you need a combination of unconditional love with boundaries.
13/14 is peak rebellion years for girls and chances are this would be happening in a non blended family, but the dynamic here is obviously inflaming her sense of injustice and pushing her into risky behaviour to try and feel valued.

Blackcats7 · 27/02/2024 10:42

I can’t believe some of the gas lighting ridiculous responses on this thread!
You are more than entitled to set reasonable boundaries in your own home.
If these are not met with all you have already done then enough is enough and I would not be having her in my home until she can show some very basic respect to other human beings ie you.
Being a teenager or a stepchild is not a free pass to be as horrible as you want and as well as the obvious damage to you pretending it does is doing this girl no favours either.

Reugny · 27/02/2024 10:42

MaloneMeadow · 27/02/2024 10:13

Really? Not every child is fortunate enough to have a good relationship with both parents. My child certainly doesn’t! It sounds like her mother most certainly has her own struggles and isn’t fit to look after her. The father in this situation needs to step up and make sure that her needs are being met. This doesn’t seem to be the case, hence why she is struggling and rebelling

Edited

Yep.

The child is old enough for her views to count.

She currently sees both parents regularly and there is not enough evidence from third parties e.g. police, social services that there are issues with her mother's care. So why would a Court make an order to change things?

MaloneMeadow · 27/02/2024 10:43

MenopauseSucks · 27/02/2024 10:39

Surely it's the marital home belonging to both the OP & her DH?
Or if it was the OP's prior to her marriage, is there a way that you can get married but legally ringfence a property?
So this property belongs solely to the OP & her DH has no claim on it, he is only allowed to stay there because of marriage & he has no say on whether his child can stay?

If it is the marital home then as the child of the DH, the DSC can stay there as it's his home & by default should be her home when she's there.
If she's made to feel like a guest when she sees her Dad then this could be a reason why she's kicking off.

Shuttled between houses, living with her mother who is intent on using her weapon or living with her Dad & being a guest in his house.
Her behaviour isn't great but neither is her living situation.

Well said 👏

SgtJuneAckland · 27/02/2024 10:44

Would her father go to social care for support? Vaping, taking drugs and having sex by 13 indicates real underlying issues. Early help or AIPT might be able to offer an objective perspective that mum might listen to

Reugny · 27/02/2024 10:44

Queenconsult · 27/02/2024 10:39

A bad apple? Excuse me? At 13 she cannot consent to sex so you’re saying an abused child is a bad apple.

The 1920’s called

they want their vile opinions back

Who is she having sex with? Children her own age group or adults? There is a difference.

MissyB1 · 27/02/2024 10:45

MaloneMeadow · 27/02/2024 08:52

Having sex isn’t attention seeking, what planet are you on?

Very young teens like 13 year olds having sex are often craving affection or attention. They are trying to feel better about themselves by seeking reinforcement from others that they are worth something.

Do you think it’s perfectly normal and acceptable for 13 year olds to have an active sex life?

Queenconsult · 27/02/2024 10:45

Reugny · 27/02/2024 10:44

Who is she having sex with? Children her own age group or adults? There is a difference.

Just stop. This is actually pretty disgusting the comments about a child who is struggling here and being taken advantage of.

MaloneMeadow · 27/02/2024 10:46

Lumiodes · 27/02/2024 08:47

A decent kid doesn’t start smoking and having sex at 13 just because she doesn’t like her SM. This isn’t about you. She’s a bad apple and clearly isn’t being parented properly. It’s your house, just tell her she’s not allowed in and her dad will have to see her elsewhere!

Referring to a clearly struggling and vulnerable 13 year old as a ‘bad apple’ for having sex? She’s not even at the age of consent!

You are a disgusting excuse of a human being if that is your attitude.
I feel sorry for your children.

MaloneMeadow · 27/02/2024 10:49

MissyB1 · 27/02/2024 10:45

Very young teens like 13 year olds having sex are often craving affection or attention. They are trying to feel better about themselves by seeking reinforcement from others that they are worth something.

Do you think it’s perfectly normal and acceptable for 13 year olds to have an active sex life?

No, I do not think that it is normal for a 13 year old to have a sex life whatsoever but there are obvious reasons that she’s gone down this road. Her parents (or lack of good parenting and support) are fully responsible

I would not call it attention seeking, I would call it a clearly vulnerable and struggling young teen being taken advantage of.

BubziOwl · 27/02/2024 10:52

Sounds like your husband is a crap parent tbh

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 27/02/2024 10:53

Putadonkonit · 27/02/2024 10:37

If you choose to have children, you need to take responsibility for them and care about their happiness and wellbeing.

If you're too selfish to do that, don't have them in the first place!

There's no wonder so many people end up on the streets completely fucked up by their own childhood when so many adults think they can wash their hands of a 13 year old.

Caring and considering them is very different to letting them decide if you can get married again!

LGyouknow · 27/02/2024 10:55

BubziOwl · 27/02/2024 10:52

Sounds like your husband is a crap parent tbh

Sounds like her mum is the crap parent tbh...

Futurebride · 27/02/2024 11:14

We met shortly after his split and took a lot of time not to rush things with us or the children. The ex can't cope with my financial position being stronger than hers through hard work and effort, not something she has ever wanted to do but expects a flash lifestyle. We have a nice lifestyle but are not flash. She has told SD to "marry someone rich" so we have no hope trying to instill that school is important.

OP posts:
Futurebride · 27/02/2024 11:24

Of course I've tried all that and continue to do so. But riding lessons aren't cheap and her DH has said she needs to earn them each week by being respectful and handing in her homework, nothing more. If he takes her riding when she's been horrid what message does that send her?!

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thestepmumspacepodcast · 27/02/2024 11:26

OP I haven't read the full thread but I empathise with you.

It is not acceptable for you to be expected to put up with this treatment. Yes she is troubled but that isn't an excuse to treat everyone badly. In no other family would this be ok.

Counselling is a good start. Personally I would be asking DH what he plans to do to support HIS daughter here. I'd also take a step back here for your own mental health. You are (as so many stepmums do) giving yourself the responsibility to fix the behaviour but it isn't up to you.

Let DH take the lead here...