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Moving away and stepkids visiting

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Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 05:51

My partners kids used to come round from Friday to Sunday weekly(this only started after we got together). His kids have no rules at all at home and I find them rude and ungrateful. I got pregnant last year and in fairness should have thought of it before but I got concerned how his kids behaviour would effect my future child. His kids would frequently not want to come because they ate veg at my house and didnt go out enough(we cant afford trips out every weekend and i dont think we should anyway). Early this year my partner properly disciplined his son for once putting parental controls on his switch so he had a time limit on it and couldn't play age appropriate games after he had a violent melt down for beong told to turn it off. This didn't go down well with child's mother and she and all her family were calling my partner and his family(Inc 83 year old nan) threatening him and telling him to take the controls off. He kept looking out the window expecting his car to be smashed up.
After this I had a serious discussion with him because i didn't think raising a baby around all that was acceptable and I wasn't comfortable. I felt our home was unstable with them staying and then not wanting to come constantly and didn't want their behaviour effecting her as he couldn't discipline them properly. He agreed and now sees them on sunday(currently his only day off from work- their mum doesn't work so this hasn't effected her childcare needs and children and often with his nan in the week).
Now I've had my daughter and my partners found a really good job but it's 4.5hr drive away. He'll be moving up in 2 weeks and I'll be following shortly after.
Our issue is now visiting his kids. He will be working a fair bit and only gets 24 days holiday so I will be the one dealing with a lot of their care when they come up(he's off every other weekend). He has asked that I help him with this - I said I would. We're now having a disagreement about when they should be coming up. He would like them for half of the Xmas holidays(1 week), half of easter holidays (1 week) and half of the summer holidays(3 weeks). I have said 2 weeks wpuld be better in the summer

  1. I admit I won't cope looking after them that long
  2. Whatever we start will likely continue for years and that's also half of my summer with my daughter and their Ge gap is large so they will want to do very different things and they will winge constantly doing anything not for just them - also don't think this is fair on my daughter spending half her summer at age inappropriate things.
  3. They won't cope. His son will want to be put with friends(already moans about this coming one day a week). His daughter is very clingy with her mum. Never been that far away from home. Half the arguments of her not wanting to stay on the weekend were she misses her mum.

I suggested coming up in half term as well instead or split a week and a half either side of summer holidays. He said he won't have enough time to go pick them up and drop them off and use too many holidays. I think he could always pick them or drop them off on his days off so he wpuld use 1 holiday per visit and none if they stayed for 2 weeks in summer as its every other weekend off. I said 3 weeks is too much for me again and he tried to argue that they wouldn't be with me all the time - he can come home for his lunch and can take them to work sometimes. After going to work with him once they'll be bored doing it again and also when they stayed over weekends I did most of the care anyway (cooking, tidying up after them, planning) so I know it would be exactly the same if I was working or not.

He said I need to just suck it up. I've said no he can have them three weeks but I'll go away for one of them because otherwise I'll be looking after them and 3 weeks of winging and rudness and ungrateful behaviour is too much for me. I'm not their parent.
Am I being selfish saying this?

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Whyohwhywyoming · 13/10/2023 16:08

My DH hasn’t worked at weekends, at financial sacrifice to himself and our current household, because he has children. We haven’t gone away at weekends, because he has children. They’re not optional.

what would you do if the mum turned up with them one day, dropped them off and said she had a great work opportunity and was moving hours away, see you later? You’d think that was incredibly unreasonable but you’re happy to justify your partner doing the same thing.

you are not being unreasonable to not like their behaviour, to not want to look after them, or to not tolerate her behaviour. You are being unreasonable not to acknowledge your partner’s responsibility in this whole situation.

kweeble · 13/10/2023 16:11

Leave him - definitely don’t look after his children for him

TheFormidableMrsC · 13/10/2023 16:13

Louisa4987 · 13/10/2023 06:14

I think if you carry on making it so blatantly obvious how much you hate them the issue will sort itself out because they won't want to come anymore.
You sound like a right pairConfused

100% this.

Laurdo · 13/10/2023 16:22

Reugny · 13/10/2023 12:38

@Laurdo if you both make her feel safe and listened to then it is not automatic that she will want to spend more time with her mother. Depending on her intelligence including emotional plus who her peers are, be prepared for her to want to spend more time living with you.

We'd absolutely love to have her more. I hope you're right and she doesn't run off to her mum's when she's older but you never can tell with teenagers!

Even at 5, I think she's very aware that some things that go down at her mum's aren't quite right but she still has the biological loyalty to her and a need to get her mum's approval and attention.

We'll keep doing our best by her. That's all we can do really.

Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 16:47

Laurdo · 13/10/2023 09:53

Imagine the horror of taking a lower paid job to accommodate your children. Women do this all the time and no one bats an eyelid but god forbid a man misses out on a good job opportunity because he has children.

I'm being unfair, there are plenty of fathers who do take a hit on their career in order to be there for their kids. It's just something you have to do sometimes when you choose the be a parent. I took a huge pay cut so I could WFH 100% and my DH misses out on overtime constantly because he'd rather be there to spend time with his kids.

Not sure if you've had your head in the sand about the current economic state but its not very good. I'm on mat leave and once that money ends we're screwed. I don't have anyone to take care my of baby if I go back to my old job(not everyone can just work from home) and childcare costs as much as I earn. At his new job I've got the opportunity to work as well and the hours work around childcare as she'd be sleeping. Good for you taking a massive pay cut but he pays for my step kids and my kid and after bills we still need to eat.

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Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 16:50

He works 6.30am to 6.30pm doesn't usually get home until gone 7 and on a school night they should be going to bed then. He does that 7 days a week. So when should he have time to see them?

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crumblingschools · 13/10/2023 16:51

What sort out f job is that?

TeaKitten · 13/10/2023 16:51

Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 16:47

Not sure if you've had your head in the sand about the current economic state but its not very good. I'm on mat leave and once that money ends we're screwed. I don't have anyone to take care my of baby if I go back to my old job(not everyone can just work from home) and childcare costs as much as I earn. At his new job I've got the opportunity to work as well and the hours work around childcare as she'd be sleeping. Good for you taking a massive pay cut but he pays for my step kids and my kid and after bills we still need to eat.

Not sure if your head is in the sand about what being a good father means. To help, your partner is doing a bad job of it for his kids. There is no way that the only way you could work, or he could earn more money is to move 4+ hours away. If you both wanted to make it work you could, it’s about priorities and your partner is not prioritising being a proper father to his kids.

Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 16:52

Whyohwhywyoming · 13/10/2023 16:08

My DH hasn’t worked at weekends, at financial sacrifice to himself and our current household, because he has children. We haven’t gone away at weekends, because he has children. They’re not optional.

what would you do if the mum turned up with them one day, dropped them off and said she had a great work opportunity and was moving hours away, see you later? You’d think that was incredibly unreasonable but you’re happy to justify your partner doing the same thing.

you are not being unreasonable to not like their behaviour, to not want to look after them, or to not tolerate her behaviour. You are being unreasonable not to acknowledge your partner’s responsibility in this whole situation.

I'd choke that she got a job and went to work.
But when she was ill and unable to work they stayed with us for pretty much 2 months. He was self employed at that point and missed a lot of work because of it which didn't help his finances.

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TeaKitten · 13/10/2023 16:53

Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 16:50

He works 6.30am to 6.30pm doesn't usually get home until gone 7 and on a school night they should be going to bed then. He does that 7 days a week. So when should he have time to see them?

Weekend evenings and Sundays which are his day off. So that’s 6 days a week he works not 7.

Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 16:57

TeaKitten · 13/10/2023 07:07

Their poor behaviour is a result of NEITHER of their parents parenting them. Mum couldn’t give a crap but atleast she’s there, dad reduced contact to avoid bad behaviour and please his new baby and is now moving away. You are all doing a crap job for these kids.

I didn't say she didn't care. She does love them a lot just a lazy parent but when she does want them disciplined she rings him and he supports it because he won't get backlash. But I won't have my daughter grow up in an unstable environment because they were coming and then not coming and not wanting to stay and behaved awfully and she didn't support him at all. They were starting to hate coming to our house because they actually got told off when they were naughty

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TeaKitten · 13/10/2023 16:59

Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 16:57

I didn't say she didn't care. She does love them a lot just a lazy parent but when she does want them disciplined she rings him and he supports it because he won't get backlash. But I won't have my daughter grow up in an unstable environment because they were coming and then not coming and not wanting to stay and behaved awfully and she didn't support him at all. They were starting to hate coming to our house because they actually got told off when they were naughty

I clarified earlier on that I meant their mum didn’t care about their behaviour, as you’d started in your OP that she doesn’t discipline them.

Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 17:07

ChristmasCrumpet · 13/10/2023 08:03

I recently started a job working with families.

I see wonderful children, and I see appallingly behaved children. And there's a direct correlation between how the parents behave to how their children behave.

I have parents who are lazy, entitled, incredibly rude to me and other staff, and their offspring are identical. I don't know why PP are insisting the mother (and her family) aren't possibly like this. They may not be, but from OP they certainly sound that way.

There needs to be unity between the parents. If the mother sends them knowing you'll be doing most of the (unpaid) childcare, then she also accepts you will be acting as the parental person and can enforce rules/disciplines, and needs to back you when those rules are challenged by her DC. It's not ok to be expected by her and DP that you look after them but have to tiptoe around them like royalty with no control.

If that's not the case, then you don't do childcare.

Many of us pay a fortune to nurseries etc and we understand that our DC will follow their entirely reasonable and necessary rules whilst within their care. If I started phoning the nursery staff and their families about how dare they do this that and the other, I'd be told to take my DC elsewhere. This is no different. Mum is not the oracle whom all must obey. Dad is an equal decision maker and needs to start acting like one.

If they continue to actively make co parenting impossible, then just bow out completely, it's not for you to be some unpaid nanny treated like crap. Let your DH sort the whole thing out himself, and he'll only be able to have them when he can look after them.

Yep their mother is the reason they are why they are which yes isn't their fault but also isn't going to change. She doesn't co-parent. She was perfectly casual about saying "oh yes I was gping to do it sunday" when she sent her kids to my house with knits. Yes he did try and get the situation resolved with their lack of care but her first partner took her to court for custody and lost because they gave her notice before inspection and she paid people to clean her house.
He won't stand up to her and I don't blame him for it and won't force him to. He was in an abusive relationship with her for 9 year(no doesn't abuse the kids just neglectful in my opinion but not enough for anything to legally be done about it)
Unfortunately, if I bow out completely he won't see them much but I need to set my limits

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Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 17:10

MayThe4th · 13/10/2023 07:12

So OP, why didn’t he see his kids before you moved in together?

And are you saying that the first time you actually met these children was when you moved in with him? Were you pregnant as well then by any chance?

I suspect the kids are badly behaved (assuming they really are and it’s not just normal kid behaviour) because they have no respect for him.

He hasn’t bothered with them for however many years, and now suddenly he thinks he can just walk back into their life and expect to be listened to as the disciplinarian. Well it doesn’t work like that.

He needs to have built a relationship with his kids from scratch.

But sounds like he doesn’t actually want them, he probably decided to start seeing them to make you think he’s a decent father, and is likely elated by the fact you’ve asked him to reduce contact and now he can move four hours away and not bother with them at all, oh, apart from a bit of time to reduce the maintenance he has to pay his mother to support the kids he clearly doesn’t want.

He was seeing them they just weren't staying over. His ex wouldn't let them because they'd stayed there before and seen some kick off outside of his neighbour getting arrested

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Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 17:12

NeunundneunzigHorseBallonz · 13/10/2023 08:26

I think the best solution is for him to arrange his leave around their holidays and spend it nearby to them. That way he spends quality time with them AND they have their friends, etc. It’s true that you are not their parent and attempting to affect behavioural change with them is a Highway to futility.

I was actually speaking to my dad about this today, he suggested my partner go down when he has a weekend off and spends time down here with them

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Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 17:18

JustAMinutePleass · 13/10/2023 09:58

He needs to figure out childcare. It would be morally right if you helped considering you’re at home with your little one anyway.

I'm fine helping but said I'll find 3 weeks continuously too much

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Ponderingwindow · 13/10/2023 17:22

Your husband is a bad parent. He needs to move back to where his children live. He needs to start parenting them regularly, not just on his day off when it is convenient.

Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 17:24

TeaKitten · 13/10/2023 16:53

Weekend evenings and Sundays which are his day off. So that’s 6 days a week he works not 7.

Yes was meant to say 6 and yes Sunday he's off so he has his kids

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Pinkshoppingbag · 13/10/2023 17:35

Good grief! He sounds awful. Moving 4.5 hours away from his children and you're supporting this after encouraging to cut his contact. If things are so bad for you money wise to the point that you're 'screwed' after your mat pay stops, why on earth did you have a child?

QueenoftheNimbleFlyingCat · 13/10/2023 17:42

Mumof1xxxx · 13/10/2023 17:07

Yep their mother is the reason they are why they are which yes isn't their fault but also isn't going to change. She doesn't co-parent. She was perfectly casual about saying "oh yes I was gping to do it sunday" when she sent her kids to my house with knits. Yes he did try and get the situation resolved with their lack of care but her first partner took her to court for custody and lost because they gave her notice before inspection and she paid people to clean her house.
He won't stand up to her and I don't blame him for it and won't force him to. He was in an abusive relationship with her for 9 year(no doesn't abuse the kids just neglectful in my opinion but not enough for anything to legally be done about it)
Unfortunately, if I bow out completely he won't see them much but I need to set my limits

Why wouldn't he want at least 50/50 if he and you feel they are neglected rather than move 4.5 hours away where they will stay with their mum and be neglected and failed? Of course he should stand up to her, I stood up to my abusive ex because my children came first.

QueenoftheNimbleFlyingCat · 13/10/2023 17:43

Laurdo · 13/10/2023 11:08

50%

And you haven't seen one tantrum in 3 years? I have boundaries and discipline my children but I have seen many MANY tantrums.

amiold · 13/10/2023 17:57

Mumsnet is not the place for getting support as a step parent. Everything you say and do will be wrong and generally they're only happy if the "second" mum/wife is miserable and getting a shit deal

I think he should be able to see / have his kids as much as he wants. But they're his kids, so if he can't get the time off to watch them or go down and see them or take them anywhere etc it doesn't fall to you. There's absolutely no point taking the kids from their mum to not be with their dad. They won't want to be away from family/home/friends as much as you don't want to/shouldn't have to give up your summers with the little ones to watch someone else's kids.

Laurdo · 13/10/2023 18:02

QueenoftheNimbleFlyingCat · 13/10/2023 17:43

And you haven't seen one tantrum in 3 years? I have boundaries and discipline my children but I have seen many MANY tantrums.

Nope. Not when we've had her. Obviously she's got upset about things but it's never escalated into a tantrum.

She's had tantrums at her mum's as her mum has called my DH a couple of times for help including once when she refused to take medicine from her mum. DH had to go pick her up, calm her down and give her the medicine.

uneffingbelievable · 13/10/2023 19:45

Sorry the two of you need to bang your heads together and work together.

Your DCS siblings are such second class citizens in this whole set up and treated badly by both of you.

Give yourself a shake OP - because your posts come across as the evil SM pushing the children away. Sounds like he is moving away to give the new second family more monies - but not much of that will be helping the old children.

Neither of you come across well - got to feel sorry for the SDCs in this sorry mess

Baconisdelicious · 13/10/2023 23:19

The closer he can get it to 50:50 the less he has to pay

LMFAO! Last I looked there were 52 weeks in a year. The OP's proposal is they have the children for 4 of those weeks. 50/50 Confused