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JujuRain · 08/12/2022 08:18

Writing Christmas cards the other evening next to DH on sofa. When I'm writing cards to his side I always include DSC of course, when I'm writing cards to my side (family and friends) I often only put me, DH and our child.

He saw this and was pissed but a lot of my family and friends have never even met DSC never mind know them but he didn't seem to think it mattered.

Who really cares when getting a card from a friend whether their DSC who they've never met has 'signed' it?!

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TheYummyPatler · 09/12/2022 09:39

People always present SC responses on MN as if they will be universal and as if how they adults around them respond and frame things won’t make any difference.

The problem is often that people are determined that step families should be as close to nuclear families as possible. And that SC will feel terrible if they aren’t embraced by a whole lot of people who are related to their stepparent. But children can totally understand that there are a whole set of different relationships and that it’s not excluding them if their stepmum’s uncle Brian doesn’t write their name in a card.

Helping them to see that their family includes lots of people that aren’t in the father’s household and that people in that household have different families that don’t include the SC is fine. It isn’t hurtful to be open and acknowledge actual reality. The problems often come when people pretend the stepfamily is just like a nuclear family.

‘Oh, that’s from moira. She’s someone SM knows’ is a fairly neutral statement. Especially when embedded in the understanding that the SC’s maternal family don’t include the members of the father’s household on their cars either.

Where children feel left out or marginalised, it’s not because their name isn’t on a card. It’s the wider dynamic. And concentrating on the superficial stuff won’t actually help. It may even divert attention from the actual problem.

Where there isn’t that wider problem SC are probably less likely to care if their name is on a card or not. Or even check. It only matters if the SC are feeling insecure. And the response to that is to fix the real problem not some superficial symptoms (that may actually be referred symptoms,

But people on MN like to grasp on to the simplistic stuff and decide that the SC feel the way they do because of it. Funnily enough, making the surface change can just push the problem further under the rug.

In this case, the problem isn’t even the SC’s feelings. It’s the OP’s DH’s feelings. It’s not uncommon for people, particularly NR fathers, to have not properly embraced their new complex, stepfamily set up. So anything that reminds them that they don’t live with their children from a previous relationship and their wife has a life with parts ghat are entirely outside of his children feels upsetting. The answer is not to brush that under the rug either - it’s to talk about how everyone can be comfortable with how things are (not how they feel they should be).

hulahoopqueen · 09/12/2022 09:40

Ours always come from me, DH and DSS. Not because DSS will give a toss whether his name is in them or not, but because when I married his dad it made us a family.

hourbyhour101 · 09/12/2022 09:43

Still tumbleweed to the question

"How do you control what people put in Christmas cards when you are the one receiving them (not writing them) ?

And how is it reasonable that the sp is blamed for that ?

I totally get if your made to feel regular excluded as a sc it would sting (obviously) - but then it's not about the card is it ?

Because that's not something people can control aka others actions

I'm not sure why the default is always - someone wrote to me and didn't put DSC name on the card - I must be excluding them ?

Peoples natural default is just that but based on what I have seen on mns it's usually children of the second family that miss out.

Luredbyapomegranate · 09/12/2022 09:43

If he expects you to do wife work he accepts gracefully how you choose to do it. If he’s going to be precious he can do it himself.

Quite.

I would personally only put the names of people the receivers would recognise on the card. So some friends who don’t know my partner, I wouldn’t put them on. But step parenting is sensitive so I would lean to including them rather than not.

alasangne · 09/12/2022 09:44

@TheYummyPatler I think you have explained it very well. So articulate.

hourbyhour101 · 09/12/2022 09:44

TheYummyPatler · 09/12/2022 09:39

People always present SC responses on MN as if they will be universal and as if how they adults around them respond and frame things won’t make any difference.

The problem is often that people are determined that step families should be as close to nuclear families as possible. And that SC will feel terrible if they aren’t embraced by a whole lot of people who are related to their stepparent. But children can totally understand that there are a whole set of different relationships and that it’s not excluding them if their stepmum’s uncle Brian doesn’t write their name in a card.

Helping them to see that their family includes lots of people that aren’t in the father’s household and that people in that household have different families that don’t include the SC is fine. It isn’t hurtful to be open and acknowledge actual reality. The problems often come when people pretend the stepfamily is just like a nuclear family.

‘Oh, that’s from moira. She’s someone SM knows’ is a fairly neutral statement. Especially when embedded in the understanding that the SC’s maternal family don’t include the members of the father’s household on their cars either.

Where children feel left out or marginalised, it’s not because their name isn’t on a card. It’s the wider dynamic. And concentrating on the superficial stuff won’t actually help. It may even divert attention from the actual problem.

Where there isn’t that wider problem SC are probably less likely to care if their name is on a card or not. Or even check. It only matters if the SC are feeling insecure. And the response to that is to fix the real problem not some superficial symptoms (that may actually be referred symptoms,

But people on MN like to grasp on to the simplistic stuff and decide that the SC feel the way they do because of it. Funnily enough, making the surface change can just push the problem further under the rug.

In this case, the problem isn’t even the SC’s feelings. It’s the OP’s DH’s feelings. It’s not uncommon for people, particularly NR fathers, to have not properly embraced their new complex, stepfamily set up. So anything that reminds them that they don’t live with their children from a previous relationship and their wife has a life with parts ghat are entirely outside of his children feels upsetting. The answer is not to brush that under the rug either - it’s to talk about how everyone can be comfortable with how things are (not how they feel they should be).

Thank fuck ^^ this exactly this

alasangne · 09/12/2022 09:46

hulahoopqueen · 09/12/2022 09:40

Ours always come from me, DH and DSS. Not because DSS will give a toss whether his name is in them or not, but because when I married his dad it made us a family.

No it didn't. Your vows didn't make you a family. I was a family with my DSC way before I married their dad. I still don't write their name on every card. Because our family is open to all the nuances of step family life.

alasangne · 09/12/2022 09:47

hourbyhour101 · 09/12/2022 09:44

Thank fuck ^^ this exactly this

I know right. I think that post answers a lot of the stepparenting "issues" I see posted on here tbh

aSofaNearYou · 09/12/2022 09:48

TheYummyPatler · 09/12/2022 09:39

People always present SC responses on MN as if they will be universal and as if how they adults around them respond and frame things won’t make any difference.

The problem is often that people are determined that step families should be as close to nuclear families as possible. And that SC will feel terrible if they aren’t embraced by a whole lot of people who are related to their stepparent. But children can totally understand that there are a whole set of different relationships and that it’s not excluding them if their stepmum’s uncle Brian doesn’t write their name in a card.

Helping them to see that their family includes lots of people that aren’t in the father’s household and that people in that household have different families that don’t include the SC is fine. It isn’t hurtful to be open and acknowledge actual reality. The problems often come when people pretend the stepfamily is just like a nuclear family.

‘Oh, that’s from moira. She’s someone SM knows’ is a fairly neutral statement. Especially when embedded in the understanding that the SC’s maternal family don’t include the members of the father’s household on their cars either.

Where children feel left out or marginalised, it’s not because their name isn’t on a card. It’s the wider dynamic. And concentrating on the superficial stuff won’t actually help. It may even divert attention from the actual problem.

Where there isn’t that wider problem SC are probably less likely to care if their name is on a card or not. Or even check. It only matters if the SC are feeling insecure. And the response to that is to fix the real problem not some superficial symptoms (that may actually be referred symptoms,

But people on MN like to grasp on to the simplistic stuff and decide that the SC feel the way they do because of it. Funnily enough, making the surface change can just push the problem further under the rug.

In this case, the problem isn’t even the SC’s feelings. It’s the OP’s DH’s feelings. It’s not uncommon for people, particularly NR fathers, to have not properly embraced their new complex, stepfamily set up. So anything that reminds them that they don’t live with their children from a previous relationship and their wife has a life with parts ghat are entirely outside of his children feels upsetting. The answer is not to brush that under the rug either - it’s to talk about how everyone can be comfortable with how things are (not how they feel they should be).

So well said. So much of this is based around the adults struggling to accept their non nuclear reality and, often, passing that on to their kids.

familyissues12345 · 09/12/2022 09:56

hourbyhour101 · 09/12/2022 09:43

Still tumbleweed to the question

"How do you control what people put in Christmas cards when you are the one receiving them (not writing them) ?

And how is it reasonable that the sp is blamed for that ?

I totally get if your made to feel regular excluded as a sc it would sting (obviously) - but then it's not about the card is it ?

Because that's not something people can control aka others actions

I'm not sure why the default is always - someone wrote to me and didn't put DSC name on the card - I must be excluding them ?

Peoples natural default is just that but based on what I have seen on mns it's usually children of the second family that miss out.

I thought the original post was about OP writing the cards, not receiving them.

excelledyourself · 09/12/2022 09:58

hourbyhour101 · 09/12/2022 09:43

Still tumbleweed to the question

"How do you control what people put in Christmas cards when you are the one receiving them (not writing them) ?

And how is it reasonable that the sp is blamed for that ?

I totally get if your made to feel regular excluded as a sc it would sting (obviously) - but then it's not about the card is it ?

Because that's not something people can control aka others actions

I'm not sure why the default is always - someone wrote to me and didn't put DSC name on the card - I must be excluding them ?

Peoples natural default is just that but based on what I have seen on mns it's usually children of the second family that miss out.

You can't control it and no one said you could. As you know.

The people mentioning names missing from cards received into the house are making the point that it's likely that will happen if you miss the names off the ones you send out.

Shemovesshemoves21 · 09/12/2022 10:03

YANBU if it wasn't something you considered previously. If you decide to not include your step child in the cards from this point on YABU as it'll be a conscious effort to deliberately leave them out, when they are part of your family.

Reugny · 09/12/2022 10:20

excelledyourself · 09/12/2022 09:58

You can't control it and no one said you could. As you know.

The people mentioning names missing from cards received into the house are making the point that it's likely that will happen if you miss the names off the ones you send out.

It may but but my mum and first step-mum got around this by writing "and children"

This is because people knew a mixture all/some of their children and none/all/some of their children's half-siblings who may/may not be living in their home most of the time, plus any random teen/young adult cousin who was staying for a long period.

In response the replies tended to be "and children"

Obviously doesn't work if the OP has one child....

excelledyourself · 09/12/2022 10:27

@Reugny

Yes, and that makes sense. So all the children are acknowledged, whether by individual name or collectively as 'children' or 'family'. If the outgoing cards are written to acknowledge them, then there is more chance the incoming ones, which the children may read, will also acknowledge them. That is the point which was being made.

hourbyhour101 · 09/12/2022 11:34

@excelledyourself but your point was children may read the card and will feel excluded.

You may put and family and people still respond to excelled only. The risk DSC will still feel excluded if they see a card.

So wouldn't it just be better to explain to DSC and to Dc (because which I do myself with my own Dd) that it's not a pointed thing or people trying to make a point. That people are people and it's not a massive thing unless there more to the story.

Which in this case we don't know if there is, but the default shouldn't be to assume there is imo

Adults need to stop making their adult
issues their childrens.

If someone is being excluded and repeatedly excluded it won't be a Christmas card that breaks the amazing bonds they once had. Because those amazing bonds won't be there to begin with.

And if dad or mum is with anyone who makes their children feel excluded, it is up to the parents to act on that. And not pretend like they don't have a choice and they are held by gun point.

excelledyourself · 09/12/2022 11:50

hourbyhour101 · 09/12/2022 11:34

@excelledyourself but your point was children may read the card and will feel excluded.

You may put and family and people still respond to excelled only. The risk DSC will still feel excluded if they see a card.

So wouldn't it just be better to explain to DSC and to Dc (because which I do myself with my own Dd) that it's not a pointed thing or people trying to make a point. That people are people and it's not a massive thing unless there more to the story.

Which in this case we don't know if there is, but the default shouldn't be to assume there is imo

Adults need to stop making their adult
issues their childrens.

If someone is being excluded and repeatedly excluded it won't be a Christmas card that breaks the amazing bonds they once had. Because those amazing bonds won't be there to begin with.

And if dad or mum is with anyone who makes their children feel excluded, it is up to the parents to act on that. And not pretend like they don't have a choice and they are held by gun point.

It's really not difficult to see the difference between a card being addressed to one person in the household, and a card being addressed to everyone but one person.

TheYummyPatler · 09/12/2022 12:23

And if dad or mum is with anyone who makes their children feel excluded, it is up to the parents to act on that. And not pretend like they don't have a choice and they are held by gun point.

In some cases, they might want to ask what they’re doing that’s producing the situation.

If your wife - who you otherwise know to be a lovely person - is ‘excluding’ your child, then you should probably consider finding out why.

If it turns out that, any time she does anything, she’s told ‘they’re not your children/you’re not my mum’ and vilified, then it might be worth changing your approach to make it clear that your wife is very much part of your family and must be treated with respect. Or, as is often the case, to treat her with respect and stop using her as a handy scapegoat any time it suits you.

one of the hardest things about being a stepmum can be trying to navigate a minefield where you are never in the right. Supposedly ‘evil stepmother’ behaviour is often rooted in the wider dynamic.

hourbyhour101 · 09/12/2022 13:30

@excelledyourself I get what your saying, i just don't think we should be teaching children to take slight (when quite possibly there is none)

I just think out of the things said on this thread the only truly sad thing I have read about n this thread was iMO a Pp who mentioned she lost her beloved baby and didn't know how to address this on cards.

Perspective is different for everyone and perhaps we will have to agree to disagree

@TheYummyPatler exactly !!

memoriesofamiga · 10/12/2022 18:00

We've just had our first Xmas card of the year. From DP's aunt and uncle, who I've never met in 7 years of being with DP. My name is on the Xmas card as is obviously DP's and his two kids, but my child's name isn't on it. I'm not going to lie, it does hurt, and I will be hiding the card from her as it has hurt her in the past not to see her name on cards from DP's side of the family.

I would rather not have my name on the card either. My child and me are a package. I put all our names on cards I send. Blending families are bloomin' hard.

Alici · 21/12/2022 00:17

Sorry but YABU. Firstly he should be writing his own cards. My brother's wife writes theirs and it winds me up. He isn't a baby, he can hold a pen by himself and Christmas wishes from him would be more special than his (lovely) wife. Secondly entire family goes on. Mum, dad and all children (step/half/full/whatever). As a step child it's small things like this that can make you feel like you don't belong in either home. Kids pick up on more than you think. You're a family.

PeterRabbitIsNotHere · 21/12/2022 21:26

Alici · 21/12/2022 00:17

Sorry but YABU. Firstly he should be writing his own cards. My brother's wife writes theirs and it winds me up. He isn't a baby, he can hold a pen by himself and Christmas wishes from him would be more special than his (lovely) wife. Secondly entire family goes on. Mum, dad and all children (step/half/full/whatever). As a step child it's small things like this that can make you feel like you don't belong in either home. Kids pick up on more than you think. You're a family.

I agree with you, but on a thread I wrote (different username) I was told as a step mother it was entirely unreasonable of me to expect to be included on the card when written to DH and his children! Don’t interfere, they’re not your kids, overstepping, etc.

Different perspective and different responses.

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