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My uni age stepdaughter is footing the bill for her mum. I'm worrying. Advice gratefully received.

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obblebobble18 · 10/03/2022 13:12

My step daughter is 21 and at university full time. She lives away and we pay her accommodation.

I also have a step son who is 20 and at uni but living with us. Husband and I have a 13 year old together too.

My husband and his ex wife divorced when their kids were 3 and 4. (No, I was not the OW! 😅) The kids grew up doing 50/50 between our house and mum’s but my husband still needed to pay maintenance due to the difference in his income and hers. (She is long term unemployed)
The maintenance thing was always fraught because she wanted him to pay the amount he would owe if the children were with her 100% of the time and would constantly submit variations for this which we would have to push back on. Her justification was that we were dual income and therefore could afford double. We rejected this because my income shouldn’t form part of it (and legally does not). I know some people don’t agree with this, but I think we were more than fair and obviously the children were actually with us as often as they were with her.

My husband has not needed to pay her any maintenance for a couple of years now, since my step son finished his college course.

It’s a relief. I mean, our kids are all costing us more than ever, 😱 but it’s just nice to be paying on our own terms and to not be always waiting for the other shoe to drop!

My step daughter has become a bit of a lightening rod for it, because her mum knows we pay her rent. Her mum thinks we bribed her to go to university so that the child maintenance would stop. Which really isn’t true and it really upsets my step daughter.

Her mum has been demanding money from my step daughter and my step daughter has been paying her. We have only learned about this now.

Last night, my step daughter’s landlord called us to say she hasn’t received rent for over 30 days. We had no idea. Since my step daughter left halls, we don’t pay directly anymore. We give it to my step daughter and trust her to pay it. And she always has. (We are guarantors on her contract however).

My husband was climbing the walls but we talked about it and he agreed to try and approach it all calmly and openly. We have asked her to come home this weekend so that we can figure out what is going wrong and find solutions.

I have been emailing the landlord and have agreed to take over the payments permanently, so we will no longer be sending the money directly to my step daughter.

My husband and I have been messaging back and forth with our daughter this week and it has also come to light that she has taken out a credit card, which she has given to her mum. We’ve asked for the statements and she has sent us screen shots of the balance from within the app (£2,000). It’s not strictly our business but we have also asked her if she is in her overdraft and she confirms that she is.

My step daughter does work part time and receives a student loan. (The loan gives her some additional spending money and covers all of her uni fees)
The rent that we pay is “all-inclusive” so she has no other bills to pay, except for her mobile phone which we do not pay for. Obviously she has her other living costs like food and partying and a bus pass.

Before my husband and his ex wife divorced, they had serious money troubles due to a series of secret credit cards that his ex wife held. When it all came to light, it turned out that she owed £20,000 in credit cards in her own name, and a further £5,000 in a credit card which she had in her mother’s name. (My husband’s ex MIL).

The ex MIL knew about all of the debts and had been trying to help her daughter pay them off, but with limited success.
My husband found most of the debt to have been accumulated though online spin machine things. (Gambling)

My husband’s ex wife gave up work about 2 years before my step daughter was born, to be a stay at home wife, and hasn’t worked since. I think she is signed off permanently now due to depression, but I’m not entirely sure of what her financial situation is. I assume things are tight and she really had come to rely on the CMS.

My MIL thinks we need to tell step daughter that she stops sending money to mum or we cut her off but I’m not sure that threats are the way to handle this. Obviously my step daughter adores her mother, but I think she’s too young to be taking on responsibility for her. That said, she won’t just turn her back on her. I’m really worried about this credit card and that she’ll bleed the girl dry.

Has anyone ever had anything similar? How did you handle it?

Or has anyone here been in the situation that the ex wife is in, and needed to take money or credit cards from their kids after the CMS dried up?

Obviously this has all snowballed because we are no longer assuming financial responsibility for the ex wife. We never dreamed the buck would automatically pass to my step daughter. 🤦🏼‍♀️

When my husband and she split, she took 75% of their estate (£85k lump sum) in a exchange for a “clean break” so there has never been any spousal maintenance due.

All of this makes us sound loaded but we are not. We have had to dip into pension savings to make up the missing rent this month. All the kids are now at an age where they come with adult sized costs. We can’t afford to give her a monthly allowance as well as pay all of her rent and we won’t be paying for her mum.

Obviously our bills are skyrocketing like everyone else’s.

Please be kind. It’s obviously quite stressful and we want to fix it, but also to guide her in better choices.

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PerseverancePays · 10/03/2022 16:01

Also, to break the secrecy cycle, sit her down regularly to have money management conversations. This is not taught in schools so we all muddle along making the same mistakes and learning from them. If you take away all the mystery, she will see how ridiculous her mother's position is without you ever having to point it out.

obblebobble18 · 10/03/2022 16:01

I'd just like to confess that I'm not that lovely. Although I appreciate all the compliments. 😁

I feel so cross with this ex wife. I'd like to go around and give her a real piece of my mind. I've got a lot of really awful things that I'm tempted to say to her. I caught myself polishing my knuckles as I whisper-ranted to my husband earlier. 🤣

I'm just a still waters kind of angry person and I'm trying to put my step daughter's feelings first and control my temper.

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Calandor · 10/03/2022 16:04

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

CMS shoukd really be paid until the child finishes full time education. Mine was, and my friend took her ex to court and was told this.

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But she's not living at home and they're paying the university child's living costs? She's an adult with a job and a home. Why would they pay her mother?
Calandor · 10/03/2022 16:07

@DaisyTheUnicorn since when was counselling free through uni

obblebobble18 · 10/03/2022 16:10

But she's not living at home and they're paying the university child's living costs? She's an adult with a job and a home. Why would they pay her mother?

I think that @ArseInTheCoOpWindow just misunderstood the situation. It was a long bumbling story and there's often an assumption that where CMS is involved that Dad is underpaying. But I think that Arse did acknowledge a misunderstanding a few minutes later.

Feels so funny to address a person as Arse. 😅

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RedWingBoots · 10/03/2022 16:15

I'd just like to confess that I'm not that lovely.

You are as you realise your SD is bring abused rather than simply blaming her for her mother's behaviour.

RedWingBoots · 10/03/2022 16:18

OP moneysavingexpert.com have financial education courses.

Worth looking into them yourself and ensuring all the children in your household do the appropriate one.

One for children 14+:
www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2021/10/first-ever-financial-education-textbook-arrives-in-welsh-schools/

One for adults with the OU:
www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/05/mse-launches--academoney--financial-education-course-with-the-op/

DistrictCommissioner · 10/03/2022 16:23

[quote Calandor]@DaisyTheUnicorn since when was counselling free through uni[/quote]
Is that a rhetorical question or something?

I had free counselling at uni.

DaisyTheUnicorn · 10/03/2022 16:27

Calendor universities have counselling available through their welfare arm. Certainly did when I was there and was under the impression all unis would offer this. Google the uni and counselling.

Okaaaay · 10/03/2022 16:32

I’m really sorry OP, that is incredibly stressful. I agree that your stepdaughter is a victim in all of this. She is an adult, but also at a vulnerable age and susceptible to abuse by a mum she loves. I think keeping calm, totally supportive of your SD and non-judgemental about this are your best options. Also bring clear about what your concerns are (bad credit history, inability to get a mortgage, long term debt payment, always being financially insecure etc). Not to mention the sacrifice of all the nice things she could be doing at such an amazing time in her life. I don’t think threats are the right way. People don’t do things because they’re stupid - they do things because they have experience, beliefs, values (in this case that you provide and don’t abandon family) etc sometimes which are skewed. She’s probably been exposed to her mother’s entitlement all her life and doesn’t see the balanced view. I hope you find a way forward

Supersimkin2 · 10/03/2022 16:39

Your poor SD and poor you. The mother’s an abuser and very skilled at it to boot.

You won’t and can’t change the mother’s behaviour. She’s benefitted too much and she tells herself she’s entitled to her children’s money. And yours. Doesn’t matter what she thinks, don’t engage - she needs that to manipulate you.

She’ll have told DSD you’re awful and only of value for your wallet. Whereas she is a worthy recipient of its contents and loving mum etc. Not a gambling addict who couldn’t love her kids if she tried, altho she hasn’t.

DM needs ignoring and DSD needs help but the politics here mean if you try you might be seen as the enemy - can you find a family friend to tackle the idea of therapy?

There’s a strong chance DSD will grow out of tolerating her mother, incidentally.

Growing up and moving out tends to do that. But DM will carry on crisis creating so I’d tackle the counselling sooner rather than later. Meantime, pay everything for SD you can direct.

Duracellbunnywannabe · 10/03/2022 16:43

@22EL23

Your stepdaughter is a victim of financial abuse and should be treated as such
I agree with this. I think step daughter may benefit from counselling.
Calandor · 10/03/2022 16:44

@Ulchabhan

Is it easy for an undergraduate to get a credit card with that kind of credit limit on the back of a part time job and no savings? None of my DC were able to do this.

Are you sure she has not been persuaded to mislead the credit card company about her income?

Yes it is. I graduated in 2017 and was offered credit cards left right and centre. £2,000 overdraft on my bank account without any questions asked and we'll over £1000 on online credit places (Apple, Very etc).

You barely have a credit score yet so they don't know that you won't pay it. I'd imagine the number of teens who do pay it back (slowly or with parental help) vastly outnumber those who don't. So it's worth it to the banks.

Calandor · 10/03/2022 16:45

My sister had about 5 credit cards all £2000ish each by the time she graduated

Calandor · 10/03/2022 16:49

@DaisyTheUnicorn

Calendor universities have counselling available through their welfare arm. Certainly did when I was there and was under the impression all unis would offer this. Google the uni and counselling.
Huh interesting. I wasn't given more than one 20 minute chat with someone when I was at uni and needed help. Knowing me I just didn't look hard enough though tbf.
DaisyTheUnicorn · 10/03/2022 16:56

Oh sorry to hear that :( I've just googled local unis and all have it on their website. I'm pretty sure provision should be there. It may be that tutors aren't aware maybe? I work in mental health awareness and (but not at uni so not up to date) and it would really help if people were told what they could access and how.

CaveMum · 10/03/2022 16:56

Can I suggest you help your SD (and your SS too) do a credit check. If their mother is financially abusing her there’s a chance she may have taken out debt in SD’s name and you need to find out what the situation is now before it escalates.

Show the kids how to sign up to something like Experian and teach them to get into the habit of checking their status every few months.

obblebobble18 · 10/03/2022 17:02

SD has just called to say that she's told her mum she's cancelling the card and her mum has hit the roof.

Mum is apparently telling step daughter that she was "just about to pay it all off" and now she's bargaining with step daughter to prevent us from seeing the statements. My spidey senses are tingling.

Honestly, I don't even know why step daughter warned her.

Husband is now on the war path and 13 year old has just surfaced from her pit (bedroom) wondering what is going on. 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️ What a week, eh?

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Lookingforatimeslip · 10/03/2022 17:09

Your poor SD, it sounds like her mum is financially abusing her. If this was a marriage/relationship people would suggest counselling. I think she would benefit from counselling to try and work through this and develop some strategies.

spacehardware · 10/03/2022 17:17

"Honestly, I don't even know why step daughter warned her"

Because it's her mum, she's in a pattern of covering for / protecting her even though she's being abused and knows it.
It's really sad

MeridianB · 10/03/2022 17:34

Glad several people have mentioned credit checks. I suspect it will be very easy for the mum to open more cards or take out loans in her DD’s name. A free credit check account with one of the agencies would help DSD keep an eye on this as it will list all the credit in her name.

Definitely financial abuse. So shocking.

Glad you have arranged to pay DSD’s rent direct. I don’t think I’d pay off the credit card. I like the idea of DD switching it to 0% interest and letting the mum pay it off. I think if you guys pay it, it becomes too easy for DSD and/or mum to think this is all ok. They both need a disincentive from repeating this.

Also, you have two other children to support and you’re already funding DSD’s rent and bills, so another £2000 feels a bit unfair, even in these circs.

Don’t forget to be open with DSS about what has happened. He will be next if he isn’t already being guilt-tripped into paying for his mum. It’s very sad.

I’m watching with interest as I think this is a risk for one of my DSC. Their mother is very bad with money and we pay a large amount of maintenance so I’m nervous that she will guilt them into sharing their child trust fund lump sum with her when they turns 18 😡 We just found out she has shamelessly spent some inheritance they were left by my DH’s family.

BluebellsGreenbells · 10/03/2022 17:40

To be fair, if her mothers gone ape, and you know about it, then that’s another way of explaining things to DSD about how this makes her feel. And what she can do to prevent it in future.

ThatsGoingToHurt · 11/03/2022 08:51

@obblebobble18 I would also advise you daughter to sign up to Credit Karma which is free and she can check her credit report weekly. She can also sign up to protective registration with CIFAS for £25 for 2 years. Then if anyone takes out credit in her name it will be subject to closer checks/greater scrutiny.

It’s really difficult as her mother will ramp up the emotional blackmail. Be prepared for threats of the gas/elec/water will be cut off/baliffs coming/I’ve got no food/my mental health is suffering because and it’s your fault.

It’s relentless. I’m now very grey rock with my relatives. I never mention new clothes, days out or anything related to spending any money at all as they will twist that into a demand for cash. Get rid of all credit cards and overdrafts. So SD can say no I can’t I don’t have credit card/overdraft.

The scales fell from my eyes when a) I would get a demand for cash as there was no food/elec. etc then see a picture on Facebook of said relative standing in front of bags of shopping as they had been Christmas shopping the day before! Or b) I would arrive at their flat after a demand for money 1/2 days earlier and then notice the takeaway pizza boxes, and beer bottes down the side of sofa and new expensive trainers on their feet!

Grandville · 11/03/2022 09:44

Your poor DSD.

I would allow the warpath free reign in this instance.

LittleMissMoggy · 11/03/2022 10:00

Just a note on the mum trying to apply for extra credit in DSD name. Try and ensure that dad has formal address and electoral roll anywhere but her mother's address. Actively ensure she is not on electoral roll with her mother. Poor girl x