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Help with our sons “blending”

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Blendingblues · 27/09/2021 21:00

Hi all.

I’m looking to reach out, for advice, from a blended family that has experienced issues where children from each side of the relationship do not get on - more particularly where those children knew each other prior to the blended family forming.

Let me explain with some context.

I split from my Wife in January 2020 after 14yrs together. We have 2 children together (Boy 12 and Boy 6). The split has been, and remains to date, amicable. We have focussed heavily on co-parenting and often run questions past each other, as if to check that the other parent is OK with what has been suggested/planned. We certainly make better friends than lovers! This seems to have served both children well, and as a result they have transitioned with the split amazingly. They are both very grounded children and enjoy the time they get to spend with each parent.

In December 2020 I met my new partner for our first date. Since then we continued to date and have developed strong feelings for each other. More recently we concluded that we should start to express those feelings outwards and share with those closest around us of our intentions to consider making our relationship public. There are certainly aspirations to look towards moving in together in the next 6-12 months, for sure.

My new partner has 2 children of her own (Boy 12 and Girl 9).

I should add here that I have known my new partner for over 22yrs. We would often mix with the same group of people back some 22yrs ago, but our paths only crossed again around 5yrs ago. Strange, seeing as we lived local to each other.

Unbeknown to me, her Son has travelled through the entire school journey, and now in to Senior school, with my eldest son. Sometimes in the same form group, sometimes not. Around the ages of 7-9, in Junior school, there was a patch of “trouble” between them - nothing major, just boys growing up and finding themselves. Nothing made it past the school doors, and it was relatively low-key; more playground words than anything malicious. Neither parent was called in to deal with it, and neither was there cause for concern for either set of parents to reach out to each other too.

At this stage, when my son mentioned the trouble, I never knew for one moment that the other child’s parent was an old friend and my (now) partner.

The trouble between both children died down. In fact, I look back and wondered whether there was any trouble at all! At the start of their senior school journey, they both got on. They weren’t best of mates, by any stretch, but they talked and interacted. This made both of their lives easier.

Since dating my new partner, I started visiting her house at the weekends I had my children. This was because the 2 eldest boys were now starting to get on quite well. We thought this was a good stage to encourage everyone getting to know each other a bit better. At this stage we hadn’t told any of the children that we were dating. It didn’t seem right to do that just yet. Let’s see how they get on and go from there.

More recently, back in June 2021, the 2 eldest boys fell out again. Apparently they “bug each other”. It’s hard for them, as they share a group of friends. Even more difficult when they are online in group games such as Fortnite for example, where they play using live services and can hear each other. They have developed a dislike for each other, but nothing is clear other than they call each other “rude” or “annoying”. My partner and I have questioned our own child independently and we have arrived at the fact that they are just 2 different children. Nothing more. Similar to when they were at junior school.

It was decided at this point that we should stop mixing at weekends - although, my youngest son does mix exceptionally well with my partners Daughter. They play well together and she “mothers” him to a certain extent!!

If I do visit my partners house with my youngest son then my eldest will tend to stay at my house whilst I visit my partners quickly to say hello - my youngest son adores her family dogs and always asks to visit.

Soon, we must tell them all of our intentions.

Before we planned to do this with the children, I decided to advise my ex-Wife. We (my ex-Wife and I) had agreed from the outset that we would let each other know if we had met someone. This was only fair.

I had the conversation with her some 3 weeks ago now and they didn’t go too well.

The talk around me being with someone was no real issue. Because of me visiting with the kids then she had (sort of) guessed that this was coming - I thought she would as well, which is what brought forward me wanting to tell her, rather than leaving it nearer to the time of when me and my new partner finally decide to move in. Although, it might be worth noting (whether it’s relevant or not) my ex-wife has made no secret of that fact that she doesn’t like my new partner, just from her own assumptions of seeing her around and this stems from before we even became a couple.

She had only one main concern - our eldest son not getting in with my new partners son. I felt this would be a hurdle. She says that our son tells her things that he won’t tell me. He has since opened up with me and said that he really doesn’t like my new partners son - that he can’t go round to their house and that if I do, then he would like not to come over on the weekends he sees me.

To end a long story, my ex-Wife believes that the rift is SO bad between them that I should consider walking away from the new relationship. That I should put my sons feelings above all.

So, my question is: Has any couple of here experienced the same problem? Where the blended family children knew each other prior, that they had “problems” and didn’t get on.
We surely cannot be the only couple to ever hit this hurdle.

If so, how did you deal with that?
How did you manage your/the ex-Wife?
What advice would you give?

Thank you so much in advance!

P.S. The father of my new partners children is not present. He was, up until 2yrs ago, when he went AWOL. It may not be relevant, but just in case.

OP posts:
Orangejuicemarathoner · 28/09/2021 15:57

@WouldBeGood

I think blending families is generally a very bad idea and even worse In a situation like this.

Just get your own places and consider living together when the boys are grown up

I agree with this.

Most blending is a disaster, from the point of view of the children, and this one is starting off at a disadvantage

Live separately, and see your partner when you children are not with you.

PeeAche · 28/09/2021 16:35

@Blendingblues

There is no bullying! None whatsoever on either part! They are just very different. There wasn’t even a mention of the word bullying in my post, yet it’s been bandied about on here on assumption. They just annoy each other, nothing malicious, nothing at all! *@Paddington2* I completely agree with your post, it is very different.
Mumsnet can be very frustrating @Blendingblues and I’m sorry if you’ve felt piled upon. The replies come thick and fast and most people don’t have the time to read all the pages of pp that came before. Also, step mums and dads are not very popular round these parts! Confused

You seem to have been given lots of good advice and I think you’ve taken it in. I hope we haven’t scared you off!

Blendingblues · 28/09/2021 16:38

@PeeAche thank you. Why would that be about step parents not being popular? We are all trying our best surely :)

OP posts:
WouldBeGood · 28/09/2021 16:49

This is nothing to do with step parents.

It’s to do with your duty as a parent ti out your children’s needs above your own and not place them in a horrible situation. There’s just no need for it.

Fwiw I’m divorced and have chosen to live alone with my dc and separate from my DP

Magda72 · 28/09/2021 17:19

@Blendingblues - there are 2 types of posters on here. The first type are genuinely helpful people who will actually read your posts and offer decent, appropriate advice some of which may not be exactly what you want to hear, but it will have been given in good faith & from experience.
The second type are 'The Reactors'. They don't read posts properly and just react to ANY notion that first children or nr children of separated parents aren't being put first in EVERYBODY'S lives be that parents, step parents, grandparents, extended family members etc. They imagine things that haven't been said/written such as bullying & neglect & are quite rude & abrasive in their posts.
Ignore these people, but do take on board what the more measured & steady posters write - it's generally very, very good advice.
If I were you what I would take from this is continue your relationship, don't move in together (yet), prioritise your dc on your time as you are an nrp but maybe do the odd thing together & see how it goes. Be respectful of your sons wishes but be firm in that you like this woman and are entitled to a relationship & will be maintaining your relationship.
I did mean to say in my initial post & others have since said to you that the boys may change in their attitude. As (some) kids get older they get more tolerate of differences between personalities & I think so long as the boys aren't forced together in a living situation things could improve sooner rather than later (or they may not - it's a waiting game).
You're dead right in that there's no manual for this, but I've found in my rearing of my dc (especially in the context of divorce) is that kids respond well to openness & feeling that their worries have been heard & taken on board.
Good luck.

PeeAche · 28/09/2021 17:21

[quote Magda72]@Blendingblues - there are 2 types of posters on here. The first type are genuinely helpful people who will actually read your posts and offer decent, appropriate advice some of which may not be exactly what you want to hear, but it will have been given in good faith & from experience.
The second type are 'The Reactors'. They don't read posts properly and just react to ANY notion that first children or nr children of separated parents aren't being put first in EVERYBODY'S lives be that parents, step parents, grandparents, extended family members etc. They imagine things that haven't been said/written such as bullying & neglect & are quite rude & abrasive in their posts.
Ignore these people, but do take on board what the more measured & steady posters write - it's generally very, very good advice.
If I were you what I would take from this is continue your relationship, don't move in together (yet), prioritise your dc on your time as you are an nrp but maybe do the odd thing together & see how it goes. Be respectful of your sons wishes but be firm in that you like this woman and are entitled to a relationship & will be maintaining your relationship.
I did mean to say in my initial post & others have since said to you that the boys may change in their attitude. As (some) kids get older they get more tolerate of differences between personalities & I think so long as the boys aren't forced together in a living situation things could improve sooner rather than later (or they may not - it's a waiting game).
You're dead right in that there's no manual for this, but I've found in my rearing of my dc (especially in the context of divorce) is that kids respond well to openness & feeling that their worries have been heard & taken on board.
Good luck.[/quote]
This is astute and very well put!

PeeAche · 28/09/2021 17:28

[quote Blendingblues]@PeeAche thank you. Why would that be about step parents not being popular? We are all trying our best surely :)[/quote]
Not through any spite, I don’t think. Life is tough and we all just want the best for the little ones. Lots of mums here have had awful experiences with their exes and new partners. And no one plans to be here - in the world of blended families etc.

Mumsnet isn’t so bad, we really are all trying to help, I think. It just comes out badly sometimes.

FrippEnos · 28/09/2021 17:30

@Blendingblues

Hi Sassbott, it is every other weekend and once in the week. There is no real rush to move in together, but we want to make sure we can overcome this hurdle.
This isn't a "hurdle" (although I understand what you mean) it is your Ds' feelings.

As has been posted do not move in together, if you do there is a high probability of losing your son over this.

You don't have the end the relationship, but forcing them to spend time together will not end well and will just lead to resentment.

Unsure3344 · 28/09/2021 18:01

@Snoopsnoggysnog

I disagree, how is this preparing them for adult life? When things aren’t easy.

I am not saying in this situation they should go ages and regardless and move in. There are obviously things we should not be doing to our kids.

But I think making their teenage years as stress free and easy as possible is an overstretch! Life isn’t stress free and easy! We should be equipping and teaching them to deal with life’s stresses and difficulties. And sometimes as parents we are those, or we create situations they see as that, it doesn’t mean we should bend over backward so as not to at all rock the boat.

No wonder we have a world of teenagers that are not resilient to life

Bananarama21 · 28/09/2021 19:39

The fact your son is refusing to be around tbe other boy and said he won't come if he's there says everything it doesn't sound like dislike or a person but that more going on. The fact he's disclosed information to his dm and not you is very telling. He feels he cannot share what is really going in between them. You need to find out his true feelings. There's on going history prior to you being in a relationship with this child's mum and is highly likely some bullying may have being going on, this doesn't just go on for years like this.

Moonface123 · 28/09/2021 20:04

It's obvious these two young men don't like one another, are you going to be the one to step in and separate them a year or so down the line when they are a lot bigger, stronger and angrier ?
Good luck with that.

nolongersurprised · 29/09/2021 06:44

We should be equipping and teaching them to deal with life’s stresses and difficulties

By ideally providing a stable home base, where they can relax. Not by increasing baseline stress by introducing someone they don’t really like into their home.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/09/2021 07:07

@nolongersurprised

We should be equipping and teaching them to deal with life’s stresses and difficulties

By ideally providing a stable home base, where they can relax. Not by increasing baseline stress by introducing someone they don’t really like into their home.

Bingo. Life might be difficult but home doesn't have to be.

OP I think really thinking and empathising with your DS is warranted. This is someone he dislikes and you're choosing to spend time with his mum. Ultimately, if you move in, you will,spend much more time with this boy than your DS. Think about how that will feel. Would you avoid that? I might. I don't want to compete for love and attention. So he may decide to come less.

If you wait, are honest about the relationship but don't push their relationship, you'll be better off.

NowEvenBetter · 29/09/2021 13:40

There would be no benefit to any of the kids invlv

NowEvenBetter · 29/09/2021 13:45

There would be no benefit to any of the kids involved here to being made to live with your girlfriend/hers with you.

SpaceshiptoMars · 29/09/2021 14:36

There would be no benefit to any of the kids involved here to being made to live with your girlfriend/hers with you.

That's a very sweeping statement. A good stepparent can significantly enhance both the quality of their stepchild's life and offer opportunities otherwise unavailable. (eg access to education, careers, fun stuff, wider family contacts).

Coronawireless · 29/09/2021 14:41

Jeez, wait till the boys move out. You live near each other and can see each other regularly. Do you have to live in each other’s pockets? Why so needy?

HermioneKipper · 29/09/2021 14:47

You’re not going to want to hear this but you definitely can’t “blend” your families with this situation. You haven’t even been dating a year and yet you’re wanting to move in together? Slow down.

Your poor children, their parents haven’t even been separated for that long and you’re planning to shack up with the next partner already, and with someone your son doesn’t like.

Why can’t you just see eachother when you both don’t have your children for a bit longer. What’s the rush.

This is so unbelievably selfish. So many parents are keener on their sex life than ensuring their kids are well and happy.

My guess is that you won’t listen given the wording of your posts but please for your children’s sakes, put them first. They’ll never forgive you, believe me, I know

NowEvenBetter · 29/09/2021 16:51

spaceship nope. I completely disagree.

(Plus, this isn

NowEvenBetter · 29/09/2021 16:52

*(is not a step parent scenario, it’s a new couple, dating)

Rhioplepog · 29/09/2021 17:01

I totally agree with you

Evesgarden · 29/09/2021 17:56

OP your fooling yourself if you think your son didn't know you were seeing each other, they are not stupid.

The boys dont like each other, if you push it he will stop visiting you all together.

Dont visit whilst you have him and dont leave him at your home either to visit the 'other family'.

Your going to have to wait till they are older

SpaceshiptoMars · 29/09/2021 18:05

It's incredibly seductive, financially as well as romantically, to want to put a joint roof over your heads as a couple.

Despite the comments above, you and your partner would immediately find yourselves in the step parent role. If you're paying for the roof over the kids heads, cooking their food, washing their clothes, listening to their woes, chauffering them etc - you are parenting. Step parenting is yet another order of pain. Whatever you do, you'll be wrong! The amount of hostility piled on your head has to be experienced to be believed - some of the posts on this thread may give you a tiny clue. This will be much worse for your DP than you, because stepmothers are evil you know. Everyone knows that..... Sad

So - regardless of whether the boys get on - are you prepared for that? Most of the stepmothers here would tell you that this is the hardest job they have ever done, by a country mile.

Be prepared that whatever you save in rent and bills - will go straight out again in therapy fees. Both lads should be in counselling from the off, as should you and DP. Not cheap, but cheaper than a split.

mummytotwoboys0600 · 29/09/2021 18:17

Oh what an awkward situation. I do not agree with a lot of these replies saying you should end your relationship. You can't let children dictate the way you live your life.
Ultimately you do not need to live together for a while, I know you'd like too however, if this is at the expense of losing your son's relationship then just keep them separate for as long as you need too.
Blended families are a slow process, if you force an issue then it is likely to backfire. Your son will refuse to visit etc. make your son feel special, take him out, one on one time with your children, don't mix with your partner and her children on your contact days for 6+ months and then see where you are, best of luck

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