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Help with our sons “blending”

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Blendingblues · 27/09/2021 21:00

Hi all.

I’m looking to reach out, for advice, from a blended family that has experienced issues where children from each side of the relationship do not get on - more particularly where those children knew each other prior to the blended family forming.

Let me explain with some context.

I split from my Wife in January 2020 after 14yrs together. We have 2 children together (Boy 12 and Boy 6). The split has been, and remains to date, amicable. We have focussed heavily on co-parenting and often run questions past each other, as if to check that the other parent is OK with what has been suggested/planned. We certainly make better friends than lovers! This seems to have served both children well, and as a result they have transitioned with the split amazingly. They are both very grounded children and enjoy the time they get to spend with each parent.

In December 2020 I met my new partner for our first date. Since then we continued to date and have developed strong feelings for each other. More recently we concluded that we should start to express those feelings outwards and share with those closest around us of our intentions to consider making our relationship public. There are certainly aspirations to look towards moving in together in the next 6-12 months, for sure.

My new partner has 2 children of her own (Boy 12 and Girl 9).

I should add here that I have known my new partner for over 22yrs. We would often mix with the same group of people back some 22yrs ago, but our paths only crossed again around 5yrs ago. Strange, seeing as we lived local to each other.

Unbeknown to me, her Son has travelled through the entire school journey, and now in to Senior school, with my eldest son. Sometimes in the same form group, sometimes not. Around the ages of 7-9, in Junior school, there was a patch of “trouble” between them - nothing major, just boys growing up and finding themselves. Nothing made it past the school doors, and it was relatively low-key; more playground words than anything malicious. Neither parent was called in to deal with it, and neither was there cause for concern for either set of parents to reach out to each other too.

At this stage, when my son mentioned the trouble, I never knew for one moment that the other child’s parent was an old friend and my (now) partner.

The trouble between both children died down. In fact, I look back and wondered whether there was any trouble at all! At the start of their senior school journey, they both got on. They weren’t best of mates, by any stretch, but they talked and interacted. This made both of their lives easier.

Since dating my new partner, I started visiting her house at the weekends I had my children. This was because the 2 eldest boys were now starting to get on quite well. We thought this was a good stage to encourage everyone getting to know each other a bit better. At this stage we hadn’t told any of the children that we were dating. It didn’t seem right to do that just yet. Let’s see how they get on and go from there.

More recently, back in June 2021, the 2 eldest boys fell out again. Apparently they “bug each other”. It’s hard for them, as they share a group of friends. Even more difficult when they are online in group games such as Fortnite for example, where they play using live services and can hear each other. They have developed a dislike for each other, but nothing is clear other than they call each other “rude” or “annoying”. My partner and I have questioned our own child independently and we have arrived at the fact that they are just 2 different children. Nothing more. Similar to when they were at junior school.

It was decided at this point that we should stop mixing at weekends - although, my youngest son does mix exceptionally well with my partners Daughter. They play well together and she “mothers” him to a certain extent!!

If I do visit my partners house with my youngest son then my eldest will tend to stay at my house whilst I visit my partners quickly to say hello - my youngest son adores her family dogs and always asks to visit.

Soon, we must tell them all of our intentions.

Before we planned to do this with the children, I decided to advise my ex-Wife. We (my ex-Wife and I) had agreed from the outset that we would let each other know if we had met someone. This was only fair.

I had the conversation with her some 3 weeks ago now and they didn’t go too well.

The talk around me being with someone was no real issue. Because of me visiting with the kids then she had (sort of) guessed that this was coming - I thought she would as well, which is what brought forward me wanting to tell her, rather than leaving it nearer to the time of when me and my new partner finally decide to move in. Although, it might be worth noting (whether it’s relevant or not) my ex-wife has made no secret of that fact that she doesn’t like my new partner, just from her own assumptions of seeing her around and this stems from before we even became a couple.

She had only one main concern - our eldest son not getting in with my new partners son. I felt this would be a hurdle. She says that our son tells her things that he won’t tell me. He has since opened up with me and said that he really doesn’t like my new partners son - that he can’t go round to their house and that if I do, then he would like not to come over on the weekends he sees me.

To end a long story, my ex-Wife believes that the rift is SO bad between them that I should consider walking away from the new relationship. That I should put my sons feelings above all.

So, my question is: Has any couple of here experienced the same problem? Where the blended family children knew each other prior, that they had “problems” and didn’t get on.
We surely cannot be the only couple to ever hit this hurdle.

If so, how did you deal with that?
How did you manage your/the ex-Wife?
What advice would you give?

Thank you so much in advance!

P.S. The father of my new partners children is not present. He was, up until 2yrs ago, when he went AWOL. It may not be relevant, but just in case.

OP posts:
negomi90 · 27/09/2021 21:10

I know you won't want to hear this but I don't think you can move in two kids who actively dislike each other. Imagine if when you were a kid, the kid you didn't like from school moved in. It would be awful. The fact that the boys go to the same school in the same year make it worse.
From your son's point of view, moving in together means sharing space with someone he really doesn't like and that person he doesn't like getting more of you than he does. The other boy will be living with his mum and by extension you 100% of the time, vs what ever your current arrangement with your son. The house will be more the other boy's than your son's and both boys will see it like that.
Your 12 year old is likely to avoid spending time in a place with someone he doesn't like, and that will unfortunately impact your relationship with him.
At 12 his wishes need to be listened to. You can't force 12 year olds to get along, you can force them to be civil (most of the time), but you can't police their every action. You can't force them to like each other. And you won't be able to force a 12 year old to come and spend time with someone he doesn't like. A 12 year old is unlikely to have the maturity to appreciate that he should put up with this person for your sake.
I'm really sorry but with the best will in the world, unless you slow it down with them and they gradually start liking each other, I can't see this working to a move in able situation without damaging the relationship you have with your son.

gonnabeok · 27/09/2021 21:18

I agree with negotiation 90. If you do this you risk alienating your so . You wouldn't want to live with someone you didn't like so why should he? What's the rush to move in together so quickly? If I was your son, I would end up staying with my mum more to avoid spending time with this boy which will undoubtedly damage your relationship with him.

It's difficult enough to manage when blood siblings don't get along.You need to rethink your plans and be realistic about the implications of forcing this on your son.

sassbott · 27/09/2021 22:04

How often do you have your children? You say weekend. Every weekend? Every other weekend? What is the contact schedule?

Blendingblues · 27/09/2021 22:11

Hi Sassbott, it is every other weekend and once in the week.
There is no real rush to move in together, but we want to make sure we can overcome this hurdle.

OP posts:
lunar1 · 27/09/2021 22:14

My best friend became my step sister for a few years (thanks dad 🤦🏻‍♀️) and we struggled when our parents tried to change the dynamic, we'd never had a single falling out prior to this.

You are starting wilt a long history of problems, sticking them in a really stressful situation and hoping to get the results you want.

Think about someone in your life you really don't like, now imagine you have to live with them for part of every week!

GloomAndDoom · 27/09/2021 22:15

How did you manage your/the ex-Wife? it sounds like you trust her with regards your son's best interest. So I don't think she needs 'managing', she's just looking out for her son.

Bananarama21 · 27/09/2021 22:16

You say you got together in Dec 20 but you split from your wife in Jan 20 so was she's the other woman and cause of the split? Tbh there's clearly history here already maybe some bullying. I wouldn't proceed at the expense of my child's feelings the relationship is fairly new, you need to consider you son in this he sounds very unhappy with the current situation.

GloomAndDoom · 27/09/2021 22:18

There is no real rush to move in together, but we want to make sure we can overcome this hurdle. if there's no rush then I'd take your time. Maybe what until they leave home or show signs they like each other.

Bananarama21 · 27/09/2021 22:20

Please don't put the need of having sex above the need to make sure you son is happy and content. He's just getting over his parents marriage breaking down and less than a year his dads shacking up with a boys mum he dislikes, I imagine he will get teased endlessly Boys are bloody cruel.

Caramellatteplease · 27/09/2021 22:27

Give up now. The moving in together but at least

I suspect part the reason they have fallen out again is because they twigged your hidden agenda. It was too much, too soon with too little openness. Nothing worse than feeling like you are being forced into a friendship you dont want

Your GF still a new person to your DS. Any hint you knew her yonks ago will likely go down like a lead balloon in that it will feel like it undermines the relationship you had with his mum.

Tread carefully. This has disaster written all over it.

GreyTS · 27/09/2021 22:34

My sister in law did this, moved her kids in with a man who's son hated her son, was a fucking disaster. 15 years later the issues created are still not resolved. Get a grip, prioritise your kids, and hers, if this relationship is going to last there's no hurry at all

HugeAckmansWife · 27/09/2021 22:35

Bananarama Dec 2020 is after Jan 2020! By almost a whole year. OP I'm sorry but I agree with other posters. If they are 12 now, they are conceivably off to. Uni in 6 years. Thats nothing. Plenty of people, including me, have post divorce relationships that are serious and committed but do not involve living together or blending families. Just enjoy your couple time when possible and keep the mixing to a minimum. Play the long game if you want this relationship to go the distance. Forcing a blend now will only push you and your partner into opposing corners when the boys fall out.

Ludicrisp · 27/09/2021 22:36

I'd keep the relationship separate from your kids. The odd day out together if they are okay with it but absolutely no moving in whilst the kids don't like each other. That is just a recipe for disaster imo.

Can you imagine as your son, your Dad living full time with the boy you don't get along with at school and him being there whenever you go to your dad's house? I'd be worried your son would want to stop coming to yours.

Just keep the relationship separate from the kids. You have plenty of time to spend with your partner with an EOW set up anyway.

AnneLovesGilbert · 27/09/2021 22:37

You’ve been dating about 9 months. You know your son is unhappy. You’ve been apart from his mum a year and 9 months. Slow it down! Step back, a lot. You can’t move in together when you know it’ll stop your son wanting to come over.

I’m not at all a “think of the children” person if that means parents must stay single or can’t move on with their lives but while you and your ex have largely been amicable it’s still a big change for your children. The older you are when your parents split up the harder it is. You can’t expect both of them to react the same even if the added stuff between these boys wasn’t an existing issue. It’s lovely your younger one likes your gf and her dog but it’s your older more troubled son you need to be focussing on.

Keep dating her if you’re happy with her. You don’t need to blend, it’s really hard with kids that age anyway and their rift makes things so so much more complicated.

It’s not up to your ex to tell you to end your relationship but she’s right that expecting your son to live with someone he actively dislikes and has done off and on for 5 years is wholly unreasonable.

rawhidebone · 27/09/2021 22:43

You only have your children for 2 out of 14 days and you have already started pushing them into spending time with your new girlfriend and her children despite the fact that you have a whole 12 other days to see her. In those 2 of every 14 days you've left your older son on his own at home and prioritised going to see your girlfriend. I wouldn't want to have seen my dad every other weekend either if he moved in with a new girlfriend whose kid I didn't like. You're being selfish. I am so bored of hearing parents like you saying 'there's no rush' whilst simultaneously 'blending' families at the children's expense whether the children like it or not.

ohdeariforgot · 27/09/2021 22:50

Please think about your children. You can have your relationship, but don't force your children to merge into her family.

Festivalgirl83 · 27/09/2021 23:16

I think you need to slow down and also spend the very small amount of time you spend with your children just with them and not your partner and her DC.
My friends Dad married a woman whose daughter bullied her at school, that daughter was a bridemsaid at the wedding but my friend wasn't allowed. It was devastating as she felt her Dad put his new wife and child before her :(

I've been with my DP for 4 years, lived together for 1 and our DD's do not always get on, it is very tricky.

Tattler2 · 27/09/2021 23:18

Children get only 1 childhood. Adults can and do often get several partners and multiple spouses. What you don't get is a do over on your childhood. OP , would you be happy if your parents were seeking strategies to find a way to prompt or subtly coerce you and your ex into living together after you have both expressed a desire not to spend time together? You would probably expect your parents to respect your stated opinions. Both your sons are old enough to have informed opinions of others that should be respected.

Your relationship need not end, but you should definitely consider shelving the idea of blending your families . Maybe the boys feelings may change over time, but they should not have their lives negatively impacted to promote mom or dad's love life.

You and your partner can opt to be together while living apart. If your relationship cannot withstand a bit of distance for a few years then it may not be as strong a connection as you think.

In your current situation ,one young boy has lost his father and another is probably afraid of losing time with his father to someone that he does not like. What do you envision to be the upside of this blending arrangement for these young boys? Your relationship with your partner can possibly survive your living apart. Your relationship with your son may not survive the blending efforts. Only you can decide if the possible benefit outweighs the potential risk.

AmyFl · 27/09/2021 23:21

Please don't move in together, just don't, wait until your children are all adults.

user1471604848 · 27/09/2021 23:23

Just date your partner for the next 6 years, but don't move in together.

It would be a complete kick in the teeth for your son, to have another boy (whom he actively dislikes) move in with his dad full-time.
I can't believe you're ever contemplating "blending" families, given the background.

Unsure1983 · 27/09/2021 23:28

You've got endless childfree time. Give up on the idea of a blended family, and see her in your own time.

SD1978 · 27/09/2021 23:29

Given he doesn't even know you're dating yet- maybe start with that? You've basically 'ruined' every weekend he's with you by going around to your partners house during the time you're supposed to be seeing your kids- assuming an EOW set up, which is a bit crap on them if I'm honest. Instead of spending time with them, you e gone to a 'friends' house and he's had to spend it with a kid he was never really friends with but gone on ok with.......and now you still go round but leave him home- I can't imagine he feels much of a priority!

CandyLeBonBon · 27/09/2021 23:45

My dd and my partner's dd were in the same school (dd moved schools and 3 months into dating I discovered his dd goes to the same school). They are also 5 days apart, birthday-wise!

It's an awkward age 11/12/13 and I had no desire to push two kids together who didn't have any kind of connection.

His DD was not and is still not interested in meeting me and we have been together 3.5 years. He knows and gets on with my 3 but we do not blend. It isn't fair (and I have first hand experience because I had multiple step siblings thrust upon me).

We also will not live together until the youngest is at least 18 (if ever!).

Pushing kids together in the hope it'll be like the Brady Bunch is usually a recipe for disaster.

Date. Take it slow, don't force anything and respect your kids' wishes. You've not even been separated for a year yet! Slow down!

JacquelineCarlyle · 27/09/2021 23:47

Agree with everyone else Op - you need to put your son first and not force any blending!

Snoopsnoggysnog · 27/09/2021 23:59

Didn’t even read your very long OP but I’ve read enough. This is not in your child’s best interests. Don’t do it. Please