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Help with our sons “blending”

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Blendingblues · 27/09/2021 21:00

Hi all.

I’m looking to reach out, for advice, from a blended family that has experienced issues where children from each side of the relationship do not get on - more particularly where those children knew each other prior to the blended family forming.

Let me explain with some context.

I split from my Wife in January 2020 after 14yrs together. We have 2 children together (Boy 12 and Boy 6). The split has been, and remains to date, amicable. We have focussed heavily on co-parenting and often run questions past each other, as if to check that the other parent is OK with what has been suggested/planned. We certainly make better friends than lovers! This seems to have served both children well, and as a result they have transitioned with the split amazingly. They are both very grounded children and enjoy the time they get to spend with each parent.

In December 2020 I met my new partner for our first date. Since then we continued to date and have developed strong feelings for each other. More recently we concluded that we should start to express those feelings outwards and share with those closest around us of our intentions to consider making our relationship public. There are certainly aspirations to look towards moving in together in the next 6-12 months, for sure.

My new partner has 2 children of her own (Boy 12 and Girl 9).

I should add here that I have known my new partner for over 22yrs. We would often mix with the same group of people back some 22yrs ago, but our paths only crossed again around 5yrs ago. Strange, seeing as we lived local to each other.

Unbeknown to me, her Son has travelled through the entire school journey, and now in to Senior school, with my eldest son. Sometimes in the same form group, sometimes not. Around the ages of 7-9, in Junior school, there was a patch of “trouble” between them - nothing major, just boys growing up and finding themselves. Nothing made it past the school doors, and it was relatively low-key; more playground words than anything malicious. Neither parent was called in to deal with it, and neither was there cause for concern for either set of parents to reach out to each other too.

At this stage, when my son mentioned the trouble, I never knew for one moment that the other child’s parent was an old friend and my (now) partner.

The trouble between both children died down. In fact, I look back and wondered whether there was any trouble at all! At the start of their senior school journey, they both got on. They weren’t best of mates, by any stretch, but they talked and interacted. This made both of their lives easier.

Since dating my new partner, I started visiting her house at the weekends I had my children. This was because the 2 eldest boys were now starting to get on quite well. We thought this was a good stage to encourage everyone getting to know each other a bit better. At this stage we hadn’t told any of the children that we were dating. It didn’t seem right to do that just yet. Let’s see how they get on and go from there.

More recently, back in June 2021, the 2 eldest boys fell out again. Apparently they “bug each other”. It’s hard for them, as they share a group of friends. Even more difficult when they are online in group games such as Fortnite for example, where they play using live services and can hear each other. They have developed a dislike for each other, but nothing is clear other than they call each other “rude” or “annoying”. My partner and I have questioned our own child independently and we have arrived at the fact that they are just 2 different children. Nothing more. Similar to when they were at junior school.

It was decided at this point that we should stop mixing at weekends - although, my youngest son does mix exceptionally well with my partners Daughter. They play well together and she “mothers” him to a certain extent!!

If I do visit my partners house with my youngest son then my eldest will tend to stay at my house whilst I visit my partners quickly to say hello - my youngest son adores her family dogs and always asks to visit.

Soon, we must tell them all of our intentions.

Before we planned to do this with the children, I decided to advise my ex-Wife. We (my ex-Wife and I) had agreed from the outset that we would let each other know if we had met someone. This was only fair.

I had the conversation with her some 3 weeks ago now and they didn’t go too well.

The talk around me being with someone was no real issue. Because of me visiting with the kids then she had (sort of) guessed that this was coming - I thought she would as well, which is what brought forward me wanting to tell her, rather than leaving it nearer to the time of when me and my new partner finally decide to move in. Although, it might be worth noting (whether it’s relevant or not) my ex-wife has made no secret of that fact that she doesn’t like my new partner, just from her own assumptions of seeing her around and this stems from before we even became a couple.

She had only one main concern - our eldest son not getting in with my new partners son. I felt this would be a hurdle. She says that our son tells her things that he won’t tell me. He has since opened up with me and said that he really doesn’t like my new partners son - that he can’t go round to their house and that if I do, then he would like not to come over on the weekends he sees me.

To end a long story, my ex-Wife believes that the rift is SO bad between them that I should consider walking away from the new relationship. That I should put my sons feelings above all.

So, my question is: Has any couple of here experienced the same problem? Where the blended family children knew each other prior, that they had “problems” and didn’t get on.
We surely cannot be the only couple to ever hit this hurdle.

If so, how did you deal with that?
How did you manage your/the ex-Wife?
What advice would you give?

Thank you so much in advance!

P.S. The father of my new partners children is not present. He was, up until 2yrs ago, when he went AWOL. It may not be relevant, but just in case.

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Auntycorruption · 28/09/2021 10:46

You can't successfully blend this situation.

Your choices are:

  1. Dont rock the boat for the next 5 years - carry on dating but maintain EOW free for your children without forcing them to play happy families.

  2. Move in with your girlfriend. This will alienate your son for sure, he will stop staying with you and probably the younger will follow in a few years.

imnotacelebritygetmeoutofhere · 28/09/2021 11:05

If you've been visiting your girlfriend's house with the kids for a while it will have been obvious, at least to the older boys, that your are in a relationship. Kids are not stupid! And it sounds like your ex worked it out long before you told her too. You've made it a drama by trying and failing to keep the relationship hidden.
I think you should give up all plans of living together. Live separately and keep seeing each other while your kids are with their mum, then spend time with your kids alone when you have them, unless they both want to visit her.

Blendingblues · 28/09/2021 11:05

Exactly, thank you. I will take on board any advice possible, moving in together is a goal we would like to work towards, but we want to want to do it the right way and not damage any relationships at all. We knew it wouldn’t be easy, even if the boys did get on, but it’s worth it for us both to continue and somehow overcome it however long it takes.
I just wasn’t prepared for the opinions of some thinking we are neglecting the kids, or we aren’t trying to put the kids first - as that’s exactly what we are trying to do, hence why we are trying to work around it somehow and seek advice. It’s really interesting to hear from people in the same boat, so thank you

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LittleMysSister · 28/09/2021 11:09

I definitely don't think you should break up by any means, but I think at your son's age it would be quite difficult to push on with the move without hurting him.

I wouldn't necessarily wait until he's 18 either, you can see how it pans out as even when he's 14/15 you might find he's not spending those weekends completely with you anyway since he'll likely be out and about with mates. At this stage, I don't think you'd be unreasonable to move in together.

But for now I agree that the best thing might be to slow it down. Also, for your own sake too...I guess your partner's kids are with her full-time since their dad isn't involved, that will be a huge adjustment for you when you are used to living by yourself when your own children aren't about.

Blendingblues · 28/09/2021 11:10

Also worth mentioning there is Or has been NO bullying, the boys are just very different characters.

We haven’t told the children, perhaps we should have done sooner. Maybe we should just come out with it and then explain there is no rush and their time won’t be jeopardised.
There’s no hand book for this sort of thing, so you never know if you are doing the right thing or not. And of course that’s subjective to different people.

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Grimbelina · 28/09/2021 11:17

Unfortunately I wouldn't attempt to move in for a few years, or at least have a separate place you can stay with your children on your weekends/nights. It is still very early on in your relationship and the stress of throwing the boys together could destroy that as well as your relationship with your son. It isn't a hurdle you can necessarily 'overcome' and I don't think hoping you will/playing 'happy families' is always the best way forward....

AnneLovesGilbert · 28/09/2021 11:25

You’ve had loads of helpful posts here, people have been thoughtful, insightful, honest, shared their own experiences as children, parents and step parents.

You asked a question and people have taken the time to answer.

Instead of getting defensive you might find it helpful to take on board what’s been said.

MayorGoodwaysChicken · 28/09/2021 11:26

So from your updates, you definitely absolutely want to put the children first just as long as you’re still getting to move in with your girlfriend whose child your son despises Confused Your willingness to prioritise your children’s welfare only lasts as long as you’re able to do what you want still, right? No one is being unduly harsh - you’re just kidding yourself because you’re clearly not willing to make the actual sacrifices in your own life that need to be made for your children’s welfare to come first.

GloomAndDoom · 28/09/2021 11:28

but it’s worth it for us both to continue and somehow overcome it however long it takes. are you prepared for this to be when your children have left home?

Pinotnoirandcheese · 28/09/2021 11:47

@Blendingblues I think you are focusing on the wrong thing here.

You see your children once a week and every other weekend? That is so little time for maintaining a strong relationship with a child.

My husband works a lot (home late most nights, works from home in the weekend) but he still sees his children more than you. I work incredibly hard to maintain his relationship with the children. I tell them “daddy will be so proud when he hears that”, “you must tell daddy about that, he would love to hear that story”, etc, etc, etc. They absolutely love it when he has time just for them but they are less close to him than to me because of…time. You are proposing to take the precious little time you have abs share it with your partner and her children.

I think you should for now focus on just having as close relationship as possible with your children. Your ex wife tells you that you not are getting the whole story. Maybe she is right? See your partner but make sure that every minute with your children counts and that they are your only priority when you are with them. Maybe you will “get the whole story”. Maybe you will just make them so secure in their relationship with you that they will mind less if you move in with your partner.

disco123 · 28/09/2021 12:02

Honestly, don't move in together yet. As the child, I would hate this. Prioritise your children. Maintain your separate households at least u til the eldest leaves home.

disco123 · 28/09/2021 12:05

From your son's point of view, the boy he hates will be living with his father and spending more time with him than he is! There is no way this is going to work out happily.

Auntycorruption · 28/09/2021 12:31

Agree with @Pinotnoirandcheese. In the situation when one parent is a away a lot, the home based parent works really hard to ensure the relationship is maintained as much as possible. But it's bound to suffer purely due to not being present.

In YOUR situation (I assume) your ex is not bigging you up to the boys and your absence is even more keenly felt. EOW + 1 evening is not a lot of contact, you need to make every second count and not dilute / tarnish it with new relationships

Paddington2 · 28/09/2021 12:40

Full-blood siblings clash and argue, often really badly. To an extent, we have to learn to get along, no?
How bad were the words exchanged, and for how long? People are quick to label it bullying, but maybe it was just typical childhood arguing. There's a difference.

I don't think the kids get to dictate the next several years of your life, you just need to tread carefully, and make sure they know they are respected, loved, listened to.

Good luck.

trumpisagit · 28/09/2021 12:46

I have a 12 year old. I cannot imagine wanting him to live part-time with a child he actively dislikes (over a long period of time).
I would keep your own home if you can, and keep the children's lives separate.
You can't make him a like another child.

SouthSideSally · 28/09/2021 12:50

Your son will feel replaced by a boy he knows and he doesn't like. You really must see how damaging that might be.

NerrSnerr · 28/09/2021 12:59

You haven't even been with her a year and you're talking about moving in together. I'd step back and see her when you don't have the children. It's massively early days and if you end up moving these boys together, then separating from his mum they'll have a hellish end of secondary school.

I'd take it slow in regard to your children and not move in together until the boys are not at school together.

PeeAche · 28/09/2021 13:00

You do have the option of just staying at your girlfriends a lot, but going “home” EOW to be with your kids. It’s only for a few years. Once they’re older, the boys will be out with girlfriends / friends and/or off to uni anyway. It will get easier!

FWIW, my DC’s mum and boyfriend aren’t coping well with their “blending” and he’s spending a lot of time away, leaving her with all the kids (including his). In short, I think their relationship has suffered.

Obviously you don’t want to break up wi the your girlfriend. You deserve to be happy too! But a break up might be inevitable if you all moved in together too soon. Good luck, OP

SD1978 · 28/09/2021 13:24

And maybe instead of making them spend the small amount of time they see their dad for with kids they don't like- you could actually just spend your time with them? It seems you're ignoring anyone who disagrees with you, that the kids shouldn't be continually forced together, when they are with you, to see you. Your eldest is already saying no, and you don't care. Maybe listen to,your kids, and focus on them, just a bit? Instead of your new relationship

Blendingblues · 28/09/2021 13:47

@SD1978 I’m not ignoring anyone, I’m at work whilst all this is being posted so my responses may be sporadic.

If you read my post, you’ll see that we aren’t “continually forcing the kids together” after their “falling out” in June we haven’t been meeting up at the weekends at all, because we decided that was in the children’s best interest. We are continuing to have our relationship, and maybe popping over for a cup of tea with my youngest, but ultimately I’m spending more quality time with my children since my ex wife and I split up. You have to remember, up until June of this year the boys actually enjoyed spending time all together.
So now, we are continuing the relationship separately in separate houses, because this is what works best for the children. We were just trying to gauge other people’s experiences of the end goal in this, which as it appears seems to be once the kids finish school or are around 15 and out with their mates anyhow. I see my kids near enough every day, I don’t have them overnight other than the week and every other weekend because I respect that my ex-wife has things planned with them, but I am spending a lot of time with them, I am a very involved father. I really unfair of you to say I don’t care, when I think it’s painfully obvious I do - hence this post in the first place, but thanks for your time.

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WouldBeGood · 28/09/2021 13:49

Don’t even think about moving in with her. It’s totally unfair on your children.

Bananarama21 · 28/09/2021 15:28

Paddington2 they have history from being 7/8 years old this totally different to growing up with a sibling you don't like. Imagine being forced to live with the boy who actively bully's you.

Blendingblues · 28/09/2021 15:38

There is no bullying! None whatsoever on either part! They are just very different. There wasn’t even a mention of the word bullying in my post, yet it’s been bandied about on here on assumption. They just annoy each other, nothing malicious, nothing at all! @Paddington2 I completely agree with your post, it is very different.

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WouldBeGood · 28/09/2021 15:43

I think blending families is generally a very bad idea and even worse In a situation like this.

Just get your own places and consider living together when the boys are grown up

Snoopsnoggysnog · 28/09/2021 15:50

@Paddington2

Full-blood siblings clash and argue, often really badly. To an extent, we have to learn to get along, no? How bad were the words exchanged, and for how long? People are quick to label it bullying, but maybe it was just typical childhood arguing. There's a difference.

I don't think the kids get to dictate the next several years of your life, you just need to tread carefully, and make sure they know they are respected, loved, listened to.

Good luck.

Totally disagree with this. I think you owe it to your children to make their adolescent years as stress free and smooth as possible. It’s selfish to contemplate anything that might disrupt this unless there’s an underlying benefit for the child.