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AIBU to not do club runs?

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OiOiMikey · 22/06/2021 13:39

My husband has a habit of trying to push or 'hint' for me to do more than I'm comfortable doing with DSC.

The latest thing is clubs. DSC have recently started a particular hobby which is on multiple days a week, often when they are with us.

DH hates coming home from work and having to go back out for hours to do this and the hints have started about me maybe taking them sometimes.

AIBU to say no? Probably sounds awful but I've zero interest in spending my evenings driving to and then staying to watch this and think between the two (Mum and Dad) they should be able to arrange it themselves if they are happy for their DC to do these things.

I help out with things when needed but I have. DC of my own and I have no desire to sacrifice time spent with them running around to various clubs in the evening.

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Triffid1 · 24/06/2021 15:25

[quote Youseethethingis]@FishyFriday is there any change your H isn't well? The more I read about him the more deluded and awful he sounds. He seems to have such a warped sense of reality, it's very difficult to imagine any balanced person of even below average intelligence thinking his behaviour is justifiable.
I look forward to the day you come on here to tell us that you've finally managed to LTB.[/quote]
Mental health is not an excuse for abuse.

FishyFriday · 24/06/2021 15:38

No. It's not. I do know that.

I was not excusing him. But agreeing that he's got problems. It's not my job to fix then though.

He didn't, for example, respond to being told that his anxiety is a big problem and he needs treatment for it by doing it. The psychiatrist was doing an initial autism assessment and the result was possibly autism but most definitely anxiety through the roof. So he decided he'd rather continue with the 'maybe' autism assessment (he isn't because he doesn't have private health insurance any longer) than the absolute certain anxiety path. For whatever reasons.

What I am trying to do is navigate a path through the mess I've gotten myself in to.

Starseeking · 24/06/2021 21:16

Gosh @FishyFriday this really resonated with me:

He's decided to replay his childhood issues in his adult life. And I'm cast in the role of his stepmum

My EXDP is carrying huge issues from his childhood. He was sent to boarding school at the age of 6 (not in the UK), never lived with his mum for any significant period of time, and when he was home (with his dad) from holidays had at least 4 stepmums over the years (only one of whom he liked, the rest were witches Hmm). He has such a very warped sense of reality, and has always made his DS his number one priority, at the expense of both of our DC, and can't see it. I was the scapegoat that it was easy to blame for everything.

Hugs to you, it's not easy Thanks

FishyFriday · 25/06/2021 10:03

@Starseeking

Gosh *@FishyFriday* this really resonated with me:

He's decided to replay his childhood issues in his adult life. And I'm cast in the role of his stepmum

My EXDP is carrying huge issues from his childhood. He was sent to boarding school at the age of 6 (not in the UK), never lived with his mum for any significant period of time, and when he was home (with his dad) from holidays had at least 4 stepmums over the years (only one of whom he liked, the rest were witches Hmm). He has such a very warped sense of reality, and has always made his DS his number one priority, at the expense of both of our DC, and can't see it. I was the scapegoat that it was easy to blame for everything.

Hugs to you, it's not easy Thanks

That sounds like it was really tough. And frustrating for you. Does he recognise that he's got serious issues?

My H's replay is that his parents divorced when he was 9. His dad had an affair with the woman who has been his stepmum for over 30 years. That's terrible behaviour in FIL and SMIL's part obviously. But his mum is an awful person and FIL was probably desperate to end the marriage for years before it. I could not imagine living with someone as misanthropic and outright nasty as MIL.

His mum moved hundreds of miles with the kids to be near her parents and they lived in a tiny house (MIL's choice; FIL apparently offered to buy them a much bigger one but she refused) and MIL played the martyr ever since. She let the kids be almost feral and used the excuse that she was 'too stressed' to do anything.

FIL and SMIL moved too so that he could have EOW contact - which meant he was commuting long distances etc. SMIL changed jobs to accommodate this. Their house was quieter with rules and structure. In H's mind (and fuelled by his mother who has waged a campaign of parental alienation ever since he can remember - and it's worked on her younger two kids who have no relationship with their dad now), his SM was the killjoy and his dad was more fun when she wasn't around. FIL was (and is) the sort of dad who'd leave everything to his wife while he reads the paper.

His mum is poorly educated (her choice - she had opportunities and refused them) and has no ambition. FIL had an impressive career in senior management. SMIL had a decent career too in administration.

So what did H do with his life? Married a woman with no education and ambition who just isn't very nice and loves to play the martyr. Had 2 kids knowing full well it was not going to work out. It broke down (because of her infidelity - I didn't even know of his existence until after he'd filed for divorce). She chooses to live in a tiny house (she got all the equity and could have got a very small mortgage to buy a decent house where she chooses to live - very cheap housing; she could have had a decent 3 bed for under £100k without leaving the village she lives in - had she any desire to work at all, even PT on minimum wage she could have raised a mortgage of c. £30k over 35 years). She very clearly allows the kids to behave just as poorly as MIL let her children behave (we're talking playing football inside the house and scribbling on the walls, never saying please or thank you, filling them constantly with sweets and crisps and then wondering why they didn't eat their dinner).

H has a decent job (although not as impressive as FIL's career). I have a good career. My house has structure and rules. It always has. My kids have grown up with that. It's fun and warm and caring, but you play football in the garden (not the kitchen - while someone is trying to cook), you respect the people and things in the house and you eat meals at the table with reasonable manners and a reasonably varied and healthy diet (and so on).

So, I'm cast as SMIL - and doubly scapegoated on behalf of his kids and the kid he was.

The joy!

On topic for this thread though... my H got no clubs etc at all. MIL couldn't be arsed with that sort of thing. And she'd have complained she couldn't afford it as she'd been financially screwed over by her exH (except she wasn't at all - H has seen the consent order, and he knows that his dad just walked away and didn't claim his part of the house he'd been paying the mortgage on when the kids grew up too). So possibly he imagines clubs which require discipline and commitment are the sort of boring rules and structure upbringing he blames SMIL for insisting on in her house (and having to do all the work to achieve that).

SD only goes to a club now because I suggested it would be a good idea (I'm such an evil SM who hates the SC that I'm the one thinking about how to encourage activities she's interested in!). SS doesn't (although I have suggested football several times and told his father about really good classes nearby). The sticking point there will be that their mum won't care enough to take him to them (so it'd be fortnightly probably). She will take SD because she's the favourite.

Neither of the SC can swim - SD has had one week of lessons in her life, that I booked and took her to (and entertained her younger brother while she did them). I take the baby to baby swimming classes each week and I will continue to ensure he has lessons until he has properly learned to swim. I am perfectly capable of paying for this myself (and H knows it). DS genuinely is a good swimmer (he manages to achieve times that put him in the top 10 for his age group in the nation he's registered to swim for). At SD's age he had already completed the ASA swimming lessons to stage 10 and was part of a club. He's committed and works hard at it. It's admirable in so many ways.

All of this is to say... DS's swimming is such a sore point and he's so resistant to it because of all this bullshit around how he feels as a divorced father to the SC. DS being so good at something his kids can't do and don't have the opportunity to do because their parents just cannot be bothered with something as boring as booking and sitting through weekly lessons seems to really strike at all sorts of weak points in H. He's clearly resentful that DS has talent and drive, and parents who will put themselves out to support him (even though he's not going to be the world champion or anything - and that doesn't matter!). His kids won't be learning to swim and I am not longer at all willing to be the one who tries to ensure they do. I've suggested swim schools and such like. I don't even do that any more. It's not my job to ensure his kids are safe in the water. And I'm certainly not apologising for the fact my son can swim, and do it extremely well!

Mix56 · 25/06/2021 10:28

Is it far to go ?
I would offer to take them & come home. He can collect later....
No reason you should go, other than on an occasional emergency when he really can't.
If HE can't be arsed, why should you be ?
OR, while you're out, he baths the DC & cooks the dinner, / other. in that case ....

KingdomScrolls · 25/06/2021 10:36

I think I'd be open to this every now and then on the basis all of the other children stayed with him and that he got other things done during that time (laundry/dinner/bath & bed) depending what time the activity is and I would use the hour as a little break having been with the baby all day. I'd imagine on that basis though he wouldn't be as keen

nolongersurprised · 25/06/2021 11:12

All of this is to say... DS's swimming is such a sore point and he's so resistant to it because of all this bullshit around how he feels as a divorced father to the SC

His insistence that you wake and take the baby definitely sounds like he’s trying to sabotage your son’s swimming. What an immature prick (sorry, I know he’s your DH). 3/4 of mine swim for a club at the moment, it does add an extra layer of complexity to drop offs/pick ups but it’s such a good sport.

FishyFriday · 25/06/2021 11:39

@nolongersurprised

All of this is to say... DS's swimming is such a sore point and he's so resistant to it because of all this bullshit around how he feels as a divorced father to the SC

His insistence that you wake and take the baby definitely sounds like he’s trying to sabotage your son’s swimming. What an immature prick (sorry, I know he’s your DH). 3/4 of mine swim for a club at the moment, it does add an extra layer of complexity to drop offs/pick ups but it’s such a good sport.

He definitely is. It's ridiculous.

It's definitely true that a good part of the reason he's so difficult about this is that it's not about swimming or DS; it's all about his issues and his guilt over his poor victims of divorce coupled with his being too lazy to give them the opportunities.

Me (and my ex's) continued support of DS, however bloody inconvenient it is, is a very obvious and regular reminder of his own failings. DS not swimming would make him feel better about his choices and situations. So he is unhelpful and obstructive (and convinces himself it's about his work not being disturbed - except he'll get up at 6am so he can go to the gym, and he'll start work at 10am and finish at 7pm so he can do a school run for his other DC, so it's not that his work is sacrosanct). He also goes in about his swimming is boring and he's not interested in hearing about it. So he doesn't congratulate DS on doing really well in the Level X competition that's going on at the moment and so on. Because taking an interest and being pleased for DS makes him realise he doesn't get to feel that way about his other children.

The same dynamic is played out in all sorts of ways. He and his ex fail as parents in various ways. His children's resulting behaviour is such that he doesn't feel proud or enjoy being with them. He projects all of that negative feeling elsewhere and scapegoats me or tries to turn anything DS does in to a negative. All because he won't face up to the fact that he doesn't like the way his children behave and that he's responsible for that.

Ironically, his behaviour doesn't help him. He's managed to alienate me with all this crap so I'm no longer willing to help him out with almost anything to do with the SC. He's lost an ally there, and they've lost the support from the only adult in their life who was trying to make sure they could get swimming lessons etc (to the point of doing all the work required). My H sulking and being obstructive about DS's swimming won't help his kids learn to swim. It won't give them badges to sew on to their towels and certificates to stick up on the fridge. It won't give them the opportunities to join a club and benefit from all that comes with that.

But that's not my problem. I'll do all that for my children regardless what he does. And if in the longer term he blocks the baby doing things (whatever he is interested in pursuing) on the basis it's too time consuming (or that his half siblings never got to do them), then the baby will know it's his father that wouldn't support him and I tried my best to give him opportunities and follow his interests.

SandyY2K · 27/06/2021 11:20

Every step family is different, due to the different personalities of the adults/kids. Some stepparents would be happy to do it and feel that they should be involved in their SCs activities. They don't see it as "I'm doing you a favour".

They get very involved with their SC and don't have the divide of 'joint child' vs stepchild' in terms of what they do for any of the children.

I don't get the impression the OPs DH is shirking his responsibilities as a dad and dumping them or trying to dump them all on the OP. It seems like some days, he's tired and would like her to do it.

Ultimately it's a matter of expectations where the SC is concerned and the level of involvement from the SP. So often these are not discussed prior to marriage or living together and that's what causes problems down the line.

I was reading another site recently, where the SP didn't want to go to kid based outings, like a kiddy water park, to watch kid movies, or a kid themed restaurant. This wasn't about doing a favour for the parent, just coming along and participating...The parent was upset about SP not wanting to come and felt they should as they were a family.

The SP saw it as it's your child, I don't want to be a part of these kiddy outings and I shouldn't have to because it's not my child. Go with your kid on your own.

I don't think there's a right or wrong as such, but in some cases (not the OP) it does seem like the child is just tolerated.

londonscalling · 27/06/2021 11:27

So basically, your husbands ex signed your DSS up for clubs. She can't take him. Your husband can't be bothered to take him, so they are expecting you to do it.

Sod that!!!!!!

aSofaNearYou · 27/06/2021 12:03

*Every step family is different, due to the different personalities of the adults/kids. Some stepparents would be happy to do it and feel that they should be involved in their SCs activities. They don't see it as "I'm doing you a favour".

They get very involved with their SC and don't have the divide of 'joint child' vs stepchild' in terms of what they do for any of the children.

I don't get the impression the OPs DH is shirking his responsibilities as a dad and dumping them or trying to dump them all on the OP. It seems like some days, he's tired and would like her to do it.*

But "he's tired and would like her to do it" is him shirking his responsibilities, regardless of whether some step mum's don't mind. That's literally what it is, especially when she's expressed she doesn't want to do it and he's still nagging.

funinthesun19 · 27/06/2021 13:55

I agree with aSofaNearYou. If we all didn’t bother doing things (not just club runs but everything else) as parents just because we’re tired, then there would be a lot of neglected children!
He just has to suck it up like many other parents have to.

I’ve been poorly recently and although I’m better than I was, i’m still not 100% now. I still took my 4 children out yesterday on the bus and waited around so that 2 of them could do their swimming lessons. So it makes me wonder why people like him can’t manage with 1 child with the luxury of a car and just feeling a bit tired.

Mum2Girls19 · 27/06/2021 17:06

Im sorry as well but I feel sometimes stepparents use the stepparent card a lot...
You know your husband had children
You married him
I guess youve kinda got to expect to do some of the leg work at some point considering your wanting to be a family?? Or not? Do you just want you and him because that isnt going to happen is it?

I would suggest that on the days you both have the children....because you do both have the children...
That he drops off and maybe you pick up because thats what happens when you get with someone who has kids.

The mother is irrelevant as its not her days...

PurpleyBlue · 27/06/2021 17:12

The mother is irrelevant as its not her days... the mother signed them up for the club and she is still their mother when it's not "her days" so if dad can't be bothered then it's up to mum if she can or not. If both of them can't be bothered I don't see why OP should be.

aSofaNearYou · 27/06/2021 18:09

@Mum2Girls19

Im sorry as well but I feel sometimes stepparents use the stepparent card a lot... You know your husband had children You married him I guess youve kinda got to expect to do some of the leg work at some point considering your wanting to be a family?? Or not? Do you just want you and him because that isnt going to happen is it?

I would suggest that on the days you both have the children....because you do both have the children...
That he drops off and maybe you pick up because thats what happens when you get with someone who has kids.

The mother is irrelevant as its not her days...

The "step parent card" she says pulling the most trite "but you're a family" card going 😂

Why do you think it follows that because you know someone has children, you should expect to do some of the legwork? Why do you "guess" that? There's no logic to it at all. Yes you become a "family", a family of you and him, and his kids that he continues to fulfill his responsibility to like before. You don't become coparents. There's absolutely no reason to deduce that because you have got into a relationship with someone, you take on half of their responsibilities, should I expect to do half of his job, too? It's a totally arbitrary leap of logic .

excelledyourself · 27/06/2021 18:22

You know your husband had children
You married him

The dad knew kids need looking after and taking to clubs. He chose to have them.

The mother is irrelevant as its not her days.
The OP is irrelevant as it's not her kid.

newomums · 27/06/2021 20:58

Think this is one of those things that if you don't wanna do it you get to say no thank you it's for you and mum to figure it out.

If it's something your happy to do you can if DSC is happy with it go for it.

Don't be guilted into stuff, definitely don't it if OH doesn't ask out right and trying to guilt you into it

funinthesun19 · 27/06/2021 21:09

The mother is irrelevant as its not her days.

The mother is still relevant even when it’s not her days. She doesn’t just disappear in to thin air when it’s not her day to have her children.
And for this reason I think that if she is available and the dad is say, working for example, then she should be the one who takes her children to their clubs. Not the stepmum.

Quite honestly, if my children had a stepmum and she was running around taking my children to places and it caused her great inconvenience and I could be doing instead, then I would feel awful. Because if their dad is unavailable then I should be doing it instead.

Part of the reason I was so reluctant to take my exDSC to hobbies or wait around after school etc, was due to the fact that they had a mum who could have done instead of me, whether it was her days or not.

funinthesun19 · 27/06/2021 21:12

Im sorry as well but I feel sometimes stepparents use the stepparent card a lot...

Er, yes. Of course they do. You can opt out of things as a stepparent. It’s quite a valuable card to use actually, because there is a difference between parent and stepparent.

Youseethethingis · 27/06/2021 21:23

You know your husband had children
I know my next door neighbours have children, too. I'm not responsible for those kids clubs either.
You married him
Yes. I married him. Not his children.
I guess youve kinda got to expect to do some of the leg work at some point considering your wanting to be a family??
I wanted to be my husband's wife. Not his child's new mother.
Or not? Do you just want you and him because that isnt going to happen is it?
To summarise, all the "knowing" and "marrying" in the world doesn't make anyone elses children my responsibility. This does not mean I want my step child to disappear, it's just that I don't want my husband's feeling that he's the one with actual parental obligations to her to disappear.
HTH.

PurpleyBlue · 27/06/2021 21:27

Quite honestly, if my children had a stepmum and she was running around taking my children to places and it caused her great inconvenience and I could be doing instead, then I would feel awful. Because if their dad is unavailable then I should be doing it instead.

I know my DH feels like this. He has tried to explain it so many times to mum that if she can't do something he should be next in line to be asked.

Hotcuppatea · 27/06/2021 21:30

I massively admire your ability to hold your boundaries here OP. Kudos.

Jellybabiesforbreakfast · 27/06/2021 21:38

Stepparents (mostly stepmothers?) often need to use the stepparenting card because some fathers are so useless. When they were with their exes, it would have been the ex who was running around after the kids, doing all the school runs and activities. Having separated, these men are eager to find another woman who they can offload their responsibilities onto. Hence the whining about being 'tired' and guilting women into doing tasks which really a parent should do.

Children's hobbies are boring enough for parents to deal with...expecting stepparents to facilitate and show interest is a bit too much! The parents could always agree to stop the club if it is too much for them. It wasn't the OP's decision for her SDC to have this hobby, why should she facilitate it?

FinallyHere · 27/06/2021 21:50

it's not how I wanted to spend my evenings I got a jokey 'what about if X (our DCs name) wanted to do it'.

Answer: I'm sure their mother and father would sort it out between them.

all of the children are "our children" and so it shouldn't make a difference.

Worth a try. 🙄

londonscalling · 27/06/2021 22:31

It all very well people saying that the OP married her husband and has to take on his children. I'm sure she does care for him. However, I bet she wasn't consulted about whether she would take him to his clubs etc. If her husband is held up at work or unwell then I would expect her to take him if she could. However, not because her husband can't be assed!

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