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Opinions on child maintenance when the NRP is a SAHP

813 replies

CrashesOverMe · 23/02/2021 20:34

Just what the title says? NRP (Dad) has remarried and their wife is the breadwinner, thus their own income is zero as they are a SAHD. Legally they aren't required to pay anything but should they? (which would actually mean step parent paying!) In terms of child contact everyone is in agreement so although they could see their Dad more often, everyone is happy with him having the lower % of time.

OP posts:
LaceyBetty · 26/02/2021 12:00

Pretty sure OP said he cheated on her (although I could have misread), Just more evidence of his moral compass.

LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 12:01

@aSofaNearYou

I agree with almost all of your recent post. I'm just curious as to why you state the priority order as:

1) He brings in some form if income to provide for his older kids.
2) OP gets a job to provide for their kids.

Are these two things not equally a priority? As in, either/or would suffice? I may have missed something on the thread as to why you say it's this particular order...

EnoughnowIthink · 26/02/2021 12:05

loads of single parents work. And OP's kids are in school already...one can't criticise the other for doing that same thing. Especially when one actually does have children that are too young for school

One of OP's children are in school. Not both.

Yes, loads of single parents do work. Many don't - for all the reasons I have outlined. And yes, you can criticise the other for doing the same thing. The OP is doing what she can for now - bringing up her children in the middle of a pandemic where she has been expected to manage the logistics of childcare etc. whilst schools are out. There are many parents who haven't been able to continue to work. I feel quite sure the OP will work it all out once her children in school. As I keep saying (and keep being ignored), her ex has options that she doesn't simply by being part of a couple. His not working is far less understandable given that he has a partner for flexibility with potential working hours. Why don't they care for their children around both of their work commitments? Thousands of together parents manage it.

Youseethethingis · 26/02/2021 12:07

But if he was still married to the OP and had the twins with her, he'd still have to support his first two
In that situation he only has one roof to worry about paying for. And a SAHM already in place so he can go to work.

LaceyBetty · 26/02/2021 12:16

@Youseethethingis

But if he was still married to the OP and had the twins with her, he'd still have to support his first two In that situation he only has one roof to worry about paying for. And a SAHM already in place so he can go to work.
So what are you saying? He doesn't have to pay for his first two?
LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 12:17

@LaceyBetty

Pretty sure OP said he cheated on her (although I could have misread), Just more evidence of his moral compass.

I think she said "he left me for her".
Some people say this when a partner has cheated, others say it when they mean "he left me and got with her soon after".
So I wasn't sure about the cheating part from that phrase.
Either way, it's not relevant to the maintenance situation really.

aSofaNearYou · 26/02/2021 12:18

@LouJ85 I would say it's more imperative for him to provide something for them, as she is at least doing majority care. But yes, given the ages of the kids and that she is able to access free childcare, it is much to a muchness who brings the money in and would be beneficial for either/both of them to do so.

LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 12:22

@aSofaNearYou
Oh she has free childcare available? I missed that part.

aSofaNearYou · 26/02/2021 12:25

@LouJ85 One of her children is school aged and the other is entitled to free nursery hours and will be 5 in September.

LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 12:29

[quote aSofaNearYou]@LouJ85 One of her children is school aged and the other is entitled to free nursery hours and will be 5 in September. [/quote]

Ah ok. Whereas the twins are younger and don't have this entitlement yet? In that case to me it seems a no brainer... but that's just me.

funinthesun19 · 26/02/2021 12:38

That’s getting into a whole other discussion about simply not viewing your DSC as part of your family, as well as not allowing your hypothetical SAHP proper access to the family funds, because if he did have access and still didn’t pay (this is assuming there’s enough in the coffers) then he’s just an out and out dick isn’t he.
Why would you pay his other personal bills but not for his children on principle?

Paying maintenance is just different to paying his credit card payments. It’s really got nothing to do with not viewing dsc as not part of the family. You can view them as part of the family and not take on financial responsibility for them.

LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 12:42

*Why would you pay his other personal bills but not for his children on principle?
*
I wouldn't pay my partner's maintenance bill either. Just as he didn't pay towards my DD's childcare fees when we first met. That was my own expense - his kids are his expense.

Dugee · 26/02/2021 12:47

@Courtney555

Interestingly, both OP and the EXh don't work to financially pay for (any of) their children. However, because OP receives government funding, and EXh is funded by his wife, EXh should just go and get a job to give OP money?

EXh has 4 children. He financially contributes to zero of them. Two of them stay home with him, two of them stay home with their mother in her house. Their children are in the same situation from both of their parents, except they live with OP, because they have to live with one of them! OP is trying to compare with children that aren't hers, who are in a completely different situation. Yes they are. Because their mother goes out to work. They spend the day with their father and the mother sacrifices that time with them to provide financially for them all. That's none of OPs business and she is not entitled to gain from it. OP could always get a job...yet no one seems to think she should.

Yes but on mumsnet the benefits the OP takes from the state are her contribution to the children's care. A lot of posters forget that those benefits are there to stop the children from ending up on the streets. Those benefits are there to provide for the children, not the parent (s).

We are in a situation where I earn a professional level salary (because I worked hard to get there), DP earns a decent salary and DP's ex lives off part time minimum wage topped up by benefits. According to mumsnet, I should buy a new car, new house and annual holiday for DP's ex, DSD and DSD brother (not DP's child) because it isn't fair that DSD should see that my DD (DSD half sister) has a better lifestyle than DSD. Now I wonder where the image of ex DPs being grabby and dependent comes from? A quick scan of mumsnet should give you the answer.

aSofaNearYou · 26/02/2021 12:48

Yes, that is the situation.

People are quite rightly saying that he should be contributing to his kids regardless of whether she is working, but from a practical standpoint I do think the solution that would improve things for everyone and allow all the children to be financially stable is clear.

Bibidy · 26/02/2021 12:50

The OP is doing what she can for now - bringing up her children in the middle of a pandemic where she has been expected to manage the logistics of childcare etc. whilst schools are out.

But she doesn't need to manage the logistics of childcare as she doesn't work and neither does their dad, there are no logistics to manage. She either has the children or the dad does.

Why would you pay his other personal bills but not for his children on principle?

I wouldn't pay for my partner's children if I were this SM because she is already having to financially support her own children AND him AND her stepchildren when they are with their dad.

The stepchildren have a mum who is also responsible for financially supporting them. Why should one of these mothers have to go to work full time to support all of the children, even when 2 of them are not hers and their mum doesn't work at all?

LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 12:51

from a practical standpoint I do think the solution that would improve things for everyone and allow all the children to be financially stable is clear.

Yes, it's clear to me too.

LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 12:52

The stepchildren have a mum who is also responsible for financially supporting them. Why should one of these mothers have to go to work full time to support all of the children, even when 2 of them are not hers and their mum doesn't work at all?

Completely this.

Dugee · 26/02/2021 12:55

Child support is a family expense and should be a priority bill.

Child support isn't a family expense, the law is clear on this - supporting a child is a parental expense.

EnoughnowIthink · 26/02/2021 12:57

According to mumsnet, I should buy a new car, new house and annual holiday for DP's ex, DSD and DSD brother (not DP's child) because it isn't fair that DSD should see that my DD (DSD half sister) has a better lifestyle than DSD

Oh stop with the hyperbole. No one says anything of the sort. Although as an interesting aside, there are plenty of posts on mumsnet by step parents who consider that the ex earns 'enough' and that maintenance shouldn't have to be paid as a result.

Dugee · 26/02/2021 13:00

@EnoughnowIthink

According to mumsnet, I should buy a new car, new house and annual holiday for DP's ex, DSD and DSD brother (not DP's child) because it isn't fair that DSD should see that my DD (DSD half sister) has a better lifestyle than DSD

Oh stop with the hyperbole. No one says anything of the sort. Although as an interesting aside, there are plenty of posts on mumsnet by step parents who consider that the ex earns 'enough' and that maintenance shouldn't have to be paid as a result.

I have been told this several times on mumsnet.

DPs ex could work more hours if she wants an annual holiday, new car and better house. I work to provide for my family (and pay taxes to provide the children of irresponsible parents, like DP's ex).

LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 13:00

@Dugee

Child support is a family expense and should be a priority bill.

Child support isn't a family expense, the law is clear on this - supporting a child is a parental expense.

If it was a family expense the NRP's partner's income would be included in calculating it. It's not.

funinthesun19 · 26/02/2021 13:01

Child support is a family expense and should be a priority bill.

It’s really not a family expense. It’s the expense of one person within the family. If they have no money to pay it then they can’t pay it.

LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 13:06

This discussion is reminding me of the time DP's exW said (not long after we moved in together) - "haven't you got more money now though, now you're living with Lou? I've seen the car she drives...." ShockHe quite rightly told her to naff off if she thought that my income was getting her an increase in maintenance. Incidentally, she also doesn't work and has chosen not to throughout their marriage and after their separation, despite free childcare options in the form of family around her.

Bibidy · 26/02/2021 13:07

So what are you saying? He doesn't have to pay for his first two?

@LaceyBetty

I don't think anyone supports him not paying towards his first two children BUT we don't believe it's a stepmum's responsibility to step in and fill that void, certainly not over and above their actual mother who does not work.

Unfortunately when parents split up they lose the ability to have much influence over each other's lives and choices. If they were still together and had had these twins, of course they would have made an agreement as to how they'd be cared for a who would work to pay the bills. In this case, the dad has made that agreement with his wife, the mother of his twins, about what is best for their household. Right or wrong though that decision may be, OP can't influence that choice.

However, to have 1 year old twins with someone else, ex and OP must have been split up 2 years at the very least. I'd argue that during that time OP could have forseen that his circumstances may change, resulting in less income for herself from him, and that she could have sourced at least part-time work for herself.

My point is that when you're no longer together you can't always rely on your ex to maintain the status quo and certainly not to keep you afloat. You need to have some level of independence which would allow you to support yourself and your children if his circumstances were to change.

As others have pointed out, OP's younger child has been entitled to 30 free hours of nursery for at least a year and a half....that's 30 hours OP could have been working a PT job, plus the weekends when the children are with their dad. Then she would be in a far better position now.

LouJ85 · 26/02/2021 13:10

However, to have 1 year old twins with someone else, ex and OP must have been split up 2 years at the very least.

OP says they divorced in 2017.

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