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Mother constantly causing issues

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TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 11:42

We’re having a right hard time of it all due to DSS’s mum. Quite frankly she’s being nightmare. Apologies for the long rant, I just need to offload.

Due to circumstances DSD is isolating with us at his dads. In summary, DSS received a letter from school saying he had been in close contact with a positive person whilst he was with us for the weekend. Mum was adamant that DSS didn’t need to isolate even after we tried to explain that he needed to isolate for 10 days. We pointed her to the government guidelines and said we would seek legal advice to see what the best situation is and get back to her but it wasn’t up for discussion with her, due to some advice and deliberation what was best for DSS, Dp decided to keep his son here for the remainder of the isolation (mum wanted to us to return him after 3 days and not isolate him regardless of the letter to do so, there is also a medically vulnerable child involved at mums house, we asked DSS where he wanted to isolate etc and he was happy to stay for the remainder of the week etc etc). So we did this much to his mums dislike - she is a very controlling person so the relationship between my DP and her has been stressful, particularly regarding communication. We try our best to keep the peace, we live in a very drama free household as I prefer to keep peace and my life and my relationships this way, but this is the only person in our lives who is adamant to keep some sort of wreckage within our lives.

DSS has been happy and brilliant this week, apart from having some mild tummy upset between him and myself.

We have offered contact every day with the mum as per child’s wishes and the court guidelines. Mum has refused to message back when we have asked if she’d like a call, and has ignored multiple evening phone calls all week. Hurtful and a horrible thing to do, but DSS has completely shrugged it off. He has not asked to contact his mum since we first had him on Friday, but we have encouraged him to do so.

DP has been doing school work this week online as DS has been homeschooling. Again, he’s been absolutely great and got on with school work well And enjoyed himself, it’s been a nice opportunity for them to bond over schooling (mum has often been controlling with school too, not allowing him to attend parents evening or school plays and telling his son not to look or acknowledge his dad when he has attended such events - just for example). On Wednesday we noticed that all his school work was disappearing off the school App which we was uploading, and all the new stuff that his teachers were sending through were being marked down as completed, his name had been changed to one that wasn’t his surname (she refuses to call him by his dads name - she scribbles it off his school bag and school work frequently). Basically, his mum has been checking the school app and deleting every bit of work that DSS has spent so much time on this week so it doesn’t reach the school, I’m assuming that it’s because she wants to do it with her and not dad.

My partner was furious and called the school to explain the situation and they have resolved it by going through email.

So not only has she refused to talk to her son she has been blocking his schoolwork And school communication from her child to her teacher and to the school simply because dad is doing this work with with him.

Yesterday (Thursday) was a different story. We finally heard back off her. My partner had to go back in to work after having some time off with DDS to tie things up before he left For Christmas. I am working from home, so was happy to have him here and finish school off with him and keep him entertained for the day. Mum messaged finally asking to speak to her son NOW and that she wanted him returned home. My partner gently reminded that he will be dropped off Monday first thing when isolation ends, told her that DSS was fine and happy but that he was unavailable to talk at the minute but could call later. She was having none of it, messaging all day and calling threats. Partner messaged again that his son wasn’t available to talk (partner was not home of course at the time of message) and that he will get his son to call her at 5pm and if she is not available to take the call, he will make sure his phone is on so she can call back at a time that suits afterwards. Then she said she rang the police and reported him for refusing to let her speak to his son.

The harassment continued for the rest of the day. My partner had a really bad working day yesterday, his work has lapsed due to having a few days off to stay at home with DSS and was close to tears himself, I don’t think her messages and threats were helping. Then his car broke down on the way home Angry

He asked at 5pm if she would like a call - and I offered to let his son call her off my phone as he couldn’t get home and had to wait for recovery. She ignored the message About the call but was still harassing him with hurtful texts.

She finally tried ringing to speak to DSS between 7-9pm when his son was in bed. He was still waiting for recovery and trying to figure out what wrong with his car, had a few visits off the police asking if he was okay etc etc at this time so he ignored the calls. He messaged later explaining his son was in bed now and he had offered multiple times this evening for a chance for her to speak to him, and again all this week he’s been trying to get in contact with her. He also told her at the minute he was dealing with an emergency and not to message anymore. She got been angrier then, and went as far as reporting MY own child to the police for breaking covid policy because she was at her dads house (my DD does not have to isolate so we have done nothing wrong there and I know it’s a pointless threat). She also said that he doesn’t get to choose the time of the call, it’s her who gets to choose and she wanted to speak to him now. It’s been constant games with her not answering her sons calls just because she didn’t make the decision to call, childish games when we have offered to try and make this amicable and arrange a mutual call between them. The courts are going to be pissed at this and it makes my partner look bad that he can’t work this out between them.

He offered a phone call this morning but it was her partner who finally answered the phone. A very painful ten minute phone call of mainly her boyfriend speaking to DSS and his mum only saying a few words. Absolutely nothing asking how he is etc etc. His son told them about the things the elf has been up to, and about his advent calendar and all she said was “well our elf has been doing this” “well at our house you have loads of chocolate” etc etc like it was some competition.

My heart breaks for his son. He is such a sweet little boy and we feel that we try so hard to give a stable home for him and encourage his happiness, my partner bites his lip with every hurtful action or communication between himself and DSS mum but she used his son as a weapon and it’s evident. I know DSS is very resilient to it all and is happy - apart from the not answering the phone he has been pretty oblivious to her anger this week. I feel so sad for him my heart weeps and as a mother of my own child who has a split Family I can’t understand why she behaves that way.

We are due in court for her many breaches of the CAO this year and parental alienation which has affected his sons welfare In a couple of weeks so I know this is only going to support our case, but I don’t think any amount of court is going to make her change and it’s a s**t situation to be in. I have a feeling now that she will not let DSS come now on Christmas Day even though it’s court ordered which will be devastating. I feel like she won’t stop with her hurt, once we have gotten over one thing she tries with another. I’ve had issues with her stalking me in the past too which has stopped now as it was reported as she started turning up when I was dropping my child off at school in the mornings, but she still manages to cause trouble.

I don’t know why I’ve posted really I think I just need some kind words and a reminder to keep my head up today.

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Flowerpot345 · 18/12/2020 12:01

Wow it sounds an absolute nightmare, hopefully court will come down hard on her.
She's sounds bonkers and her behaviour sounds harmful to her son, deleting his work is outrageous.
Sounds like she isn't fit to parent him.
It must be really difficult hopefully the court will come down hard on her she sounds out of control.

MyGodImSoYoung · 18/12/2020 12:23

I cannot believe that parents put their children through this kind of rubbish.

You and your DP have clearly been doing the right thing and have been accommodating; if she wants to play games then leave her to it. As you say, as horrid as it is, it will support your case in court.

You sound like a lovely SM, OP. Shower you DSS with love xx

MyCatHatesEverybody · 18/12/2020 12:40

Bloody hell what a nightmare.

You can't reason with unreasonable people so just keep on doing the right thing by your DSS and try and ignore her opinion as much as you can.

Wine Flowers

TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 12:54

It’s like this pretty much every time there’s contact. There’s always something to pick at or something to make him look bad as a parent - she’s refused to let my partner know if her son has eaten when he picks him up for his midweek contact but messages the next morning saying he’s brought him back ‘cold and hungry’ etc etc. It’s ridiculous.

His son lies a lot to her about where he has been and what he has been up to at his dads because he gets drilled with questions and She doesn’t like His son being near me either. So that causes all sorts of issues too.

She’s reported my partner to the police for harassment when he has turned up to collect his son on his scheduled night to see his dad and she’s refused to let him see him.

We had a phone call off the police on his sons birthday for taking him to wales for a Single night away, even though we Told the mother of these plans two weeks beforehand.

After I confronted her partner of her stalking behaviour to tell her to tone it down, She tried to blame my partner for sending her flowers (I’m guessing she sent them to herself?) and hacking her Facebook and changing her profile to pictures of her and him on wedding day, unblocked me so I could see it and deleted and blocked everyone who questioned it. Absolute bonkers behaviour, I’m sick to the back teeth of it now. She’s done other things like copies pictures of me and bought things that I own and shown off about it. Weird things like that that are usually harmful but it all builds up doesn’t it.

But the main thing is she hurts her son over it all and that’s what I can’t understand

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dontdisturbmenow · 18/12/2020 13:05

Why oh why did he not suggest that she called you to speak to her ds instead of telling her to call at 5pm and that's that.

Things like this is only going to fuel the conflict.

She's cleat in the wrong but he is playing her too. It never gets better in these circumstances.

TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 13:11

He knows better than to play with her back. He’s trying to be as reasonable as he can here. He told her to call at 5pm, and if she’s not available to make that time then he will keep his phone on so she can call back at a more reasonable time.

She won’t call my number she wants nothing to do with me. however when the car broke down and he realised he couldn’t get home, I tried to offer to ring off my phone and she refused the offer to Speak to her child.

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TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 13:28

Honestly it’s difficult because we have made sure she has had plenty of opportunities for Communication the last 6 days and it’s been batted away.

Yesterday when she got angry and demanded contact, she got her first ‘no’ In this situation and didn’t like it but shes allowed to say no multiple times and when it doesn’t suit her. He had genuine reason for it not being appropriate and why he didn’t answer the call at first (he was tied up at work with his boss screaming at him at the time for being off with DSS) and offered reasonable alternatives afterwards. That’s not playing games and ‘getting one over’, it’s being an adult and trying to understand and sorting a situation out and trying to make her acknowledge that sometimes life will get in the way.

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Peach1886 · 18/12/2020 13:33

Oh BadElf you have my sympathy, we had very similar stuff for years and it is exhausting and very, very boring. The only thing that got us through it was to be sure we had the moral high ground every time, so we never changed arrangements, never missed a call, never bad-mouthed her in front of the DSC...so there was nothing she could legitimately complain about. Didn't stop her of course, but anyone watching - including the court on two separate occasions - could clearly see where the problem was.

We also moved all significant celebrations to days when the DSC were already due to be with us, and kept them as a "surprise" for the DSC so they couldn't be sabotaged in advance...we learned the hard way on that one as they were due to come with us to a friend's wedding - she dyed their hair bright pink the night before. And like you we had weird "copying", only in our case, the week before DH and I were due to get married, she took the DSC on holiday to stay in what she thought was our honeymoon location...only she got it wrong Grin.

I'm guessing your DSS is primary age, so poor thing he's seeing all of this and already adjusting his behaviour; all you can do is be the sensible and safe option with no drama so he knows where he can relax and be himself...she's storing up a whole heap of trouble for herself the way she is behaving, he is too young to vote with his feet just yet, but he will do...

TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 13:41

@Peach1886 primary school age yes he is 7.

I agree taking the moral high ground is the best way. It just eats you up inside doesn’t it. We would love to take the children on holiday together but we know this won’t happen. We have stuck to nights away but we have received solicitors letters and abuse every time and a threat to take us to court for ‘breach’.

Dying her hair pink Shock that’s pushing to the limit isn’t it!! And the honeymoon thing Confused it’s so embarrassing to sit back and watch, some people really show themselves up it’s cringey.

I do hope for DSS’s sake he learns to keep his armour on and manages to battle through without too much hurt from her. I’m very teary today and trying not to have a little breakdown, I love them both so much my DSS and my partner and I just want to scream at Her for the hurt from this week but I know I can’t retaliate. You could really see it in my partners face yesterday he looked tired from it all.

And the car cost is a grand to fix 😭😭😭😭

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Amira19 · 18/12/2020 14:48

Whos got primary care if it was her he should have done his isolation at his mother's house.

Derelictwreck · 18/12/2020 14:52

@Amira19

Whos got primary care if it was her he should have done his isolation at his mother's house.
But there was a vulnerable child there and he was away from home when coming into contact. They did the right thing
MorningNinja · 18/12/2020 14:59

There is far too much dialogue going on here between you all.

Stick to the court order word for word regarding contact. Limit all discussion to details about contact only and only between her and your DH. She sounds bat shit crazy but you're both giving her a lot to play with here.

TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 15:13

@MorningNinja

Oh I completely agree here. I think my partner has a tendency to over explain himself especially when he’s being made to defend his actions. I don’t know if he is still slightly fearful of her? It was a relationship where he was made to explain a lot and he was constantly criticised. I do believe he is worried that the court will pull him up for not communicating with her regarding their child too so he tried his best to try and accommodate. But communication is impossible with her as per the above examples, and this situation has gotten ridiculous now. I will bear in mind and mention to him it might be best to stick to a time in the evening for calls and put the phone away the other times unless it’s an emergency and she needs to be contacted!

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TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 15:17

@Amira19

Mother has primary care but child had been with us for the weekend and had spent time here when we got the notification. It does say in the government guidelines that the child needs to stay wherever home they are at the time of contact.

Besides she didn’t want him to come home until Monday when his usual drop off time was anyway so he would have been here for three days Isolating before that so any germ spreading had already been done. It didn’t make sense to get both households involved and his son was looking forward to spending the week here, it was possible to do so with work etc so we decided to settle.

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dontdisturbmenow · 18/12/2020 15:38

Surely if she was desperate to speak with her son, for whatever reason and she wouldn't call you, why didn't you get her DS to call her?

It's all game playing. She might be the worse player, by far, but engaging and doing the same is it going to make things worse with the child struck in the middle.

Amira19 · 18/12/2020 16:40

TheBadElfParade I would have sent him back tbh if she had primary care the fact he can been there at the weekend doesnt matter he could have been infected when he was at home with her when she got him from school so she had already been in contact with him. That being said DS12 showed symptoms and is isolating and waiting a test I told his father to keep him until isolation ends mine other dc have tested negative so waiting results.

Flowerpot345 · 18/12/2020 17:19

Sorry if I missed it but is your partner going for primary care in court?
Because it sounds like he needs to she's going to really damage their son.

TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 18:36

We have just received a letter off her solicitor saying he is breaching the order, he’s advised to return to her care and additionally that he has been witholding communication and it will be enforced Hmm

He is due back in court for an enforcement order against her early jan, but we have not considered applying to be the primary carer yet. Maybe this is something that needs considering.

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Sewsosew · 18/12/2020 19:43

I believe solicitors will write what they are told to. So I would take that with a pinch of salt.

I hope you are keeping good records, especially over the issue with school. That’s really pathetic.

I’ve worked in schools and seen some ridiculous behaviour with divorced parents.

TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 19:51

Yes keeping call logs and other details of everything. We are used to covering our own backs with her as she has been known to lie to the courts before, I’m certain her own partner won’t even know what she’s done with her school work and disclosed how many contact attempts this week.

Letter states details of an enforcement order made by her about this incident but I am fairly certain we have done everything legally and With considering DSS here so if it does come to court our actions will be strongly defended. He is going to write a formal letter to her stating the facts of the incident this week, and details of the attempt to communicate and discuss things with her to use as formal communication Evidence too - this has helped us in the past.

Doesn’t stop my anxiety and stress rash tonight I’m not in a good place emotionally.

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Flowerpot345 · 18/12/2020 20:23

Aww OP this is horrible, but just keep reminding yourself her behaviour isn't normal and the courts should be able to see this.
She's damaging this child hopefully she will be stopped she sounds absolutely batshit, take that letter with a pinch of salt, (to be honest the letter only makes her look worse.)

cansu · 18/12/2020 20:41

You all sound as bad as one another and the child is in the middle. It is fairly clear that having him isolate at your house was a delight to you and the control about when she could and couldn't speak to him was also about game playing. Similarly she was game playing with the school work.

If he normally lives with mum, it is pretty obvious he should have gone home. You saw it as an opportunity to keep him at yours. She should have been a grown up about it and called her son to check on him regularly. She should not have behaved like a child.

I feel really sorry for the child. All the adults who should have his best interests at heart are playing the 'I'm the best parent game'. It is really awful.

Flowerpot345 · 18/12/2020 20:51

" All the adults who should have his best interests at heart are playing the 'I'm the best parent game'. It is really awful."

Sorry what on earth?! You think it's playing the best parent to delete your child's school work?
Ignoring your kids phone calls and text messages?
Parent alienation and breaking the CAO.
Certainly no best parent game coming from this mother at all. Confused

TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 22:49

@cansu I’d just like to defend here that we asked the child if he would like to stay and the child said he would rather isolate here than at mums. (Partner also said he wouldn’t get in trouble if he wanted to go back too, but he was happy and content with the decision, and still is). It would have been a completely different story if his son would have wanted to be with his mum, the whole thing would have been rethought as we wouldn’t ever want to keep him here against his wishes.

That was the first priority here. Including the fact that government states whichever parent the child is with at the time of notification of isolation they need to stay.

On top of the fact there is a vulnerability on the mothers side, we could accommodate his son with school, his bedroom and his own things here. Of course my DP took up the opportunity to spend that time with his son, in fact he jumped at the opportunity. What parent wouldn’t?

His mother has isolated his son away on three occasions this year. My DP has done this once. Both have parental responsibility to make this decision.

So can I ask you why you think that the mother should get the first priority here? Would you have said the same if the mother had decided to keep him? Would there have been second thought for the father? Surely my DSS’s parents should be treated as equal, with equal homes.

Just because his dad has decided that the best thing to do was to keep him in that one home for the week (With reason), doesn’t mean he is in the wrong and playing games, just as the mother would have been viewed for doing the same.

My DSS has two parents. Unfortunately one of them is trying their best for him, the other one is trying their best purely for themselves.

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TheBadElfParade · 18/12/2020 22:51

It has been a pure delight to us to have him here, but not as a control over when and where he can’t speak to him. We have offered all week and it’s been rejected. The one time it was not appropriate to speak to him, which was responded for an offer for a later time which is more convenient was not a control thing, that’s an absurd accusation.

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