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That you were / are the other woman

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Willyouadmit · 28/04/2018 21:24

I admit I was. I read a lot of threads on here and posters always justify with I was not the other woman. My DH and I have been together 10 years. When I met him he didn't initially (for about a month) tell me he was married with children. The day he told me everything I was angry and upset. I told him he had to make his decision immediately.

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fontofnoknowledge · 29/04/2018 12:15

Willyouadmitit I completely understand where you are coming from. I have often wondered about the number of people on MN who deny being the OW and as a pp has said below - I believe this is the reason.

The reason people say they’re not the ow is because if a step parent ever complains about anything, some wanker quickly comes along and asks if they were the ow. Presumably because if they were, posters think they deserve any crap thrown at them by the ex or the kids, no matter how many years ago it may have been.

It appears to be a 'get out' to support the step parent for whatever ridiculous behaviour to be thrown at them.

There is a horribly simplistic reasoning on MN for people having affairs. Unfortunately people are all human and are therefore not uniform in their actions. There are also numerous legal and financial reasons why people (especially men)don't do the 'honourable thing' when children are involved. Combine that with the basic fact that few people in a happy, mutually loving relationship look outside their marriage then you have all the combinations required for affairs.

The main issue in my eyes, for affairs are legal and financial. I think we can all admit that the majority of men are the guilty party and the majority of the 'other' are single women. I am well aware that women are more than capable of being adulterous. I am talking about the norm.

When a man has an affair, he is usually seeking sex and companionship. The the top demographic for extra marital affairs are men, in the first five years of a child's life. This is down to simple biology. A women will naturally shift focus of attention from partner to baby. Very often this attention is so intense there is no longer any interest in the partner except for the practical/material resources he can bring to the home to sustain the mother and baby. As we all know, sex is also not top of the list for new mothers. A combination of tiredness , post baby body issues and a growing disconnection. It's not an excuse. It's simply what happens and is partly due to modern parenting styles that encourage women to be 'super mothers' where not carrying your baby around attached to you like a limpid all day and night, somehow means you are not giving them the best.
There is something to be said for old fashioned parenting where babies and children had set bed times and no nonsense was excepted. That way parents actually had guaranteed time together without dcs and found ways to enjoy each other's company as adults without all the focus being on children .

Legally , men who want out of a marriage or ltr fair much worse than women. Men who have an affair get the sex and companionship from OW whilst living with their children (with the added bonus of usually having childcare /washing/shopping/food prep unaffected. ) Honesty has pretty catastrophic consequences. Separation (sometimes permanent due to anger with adulterous parent and parental alienation) , or a need to change work patterns/income to accommodate childcare. Because of this men have a choice of leaving wife AND children - causing devastation to both. Or staying in an unhappy marriage. Or lying. Many choose the latter because they see it as the least upsetting for all concerned 'at that moment' often with no intention of leaving. Leaving usually only happens when the hostility at home makes living together untenable or the adultery is discovered and the adulterer is asked to leave.

The assertion that because someone has been the guilty party in an adulterous marriage is therefore going to do that again is absolute nonsense. If you look on the ONS website for the statistics for 2nd marriages (2015-16) you will see that 2nd marriages end in divorce less than 8% of the time - whereas first marriages is 46%. Adultery is based on situation. Above all else.

Most men who have been through a divorce, custody battles, years of shuttling kids between houses. Non stop arguments with exes and difficult financial outcomes - are extremely unlikely to go through the same thing again. Age also plays a part as does emotional maturity.

Knee jerk platitudes about mistresses marrying their lovers creating vacancies are rarely true. It is possible of course but by no means normal. It's popular on this website because this is a site that supports women . As women tend to be the 'left' party - it's become a line to make people feel better. It doesn't make it true though. A man prepared to leave his children for OW rarely does it for a passing fancy.

The simple answer (after all that) is that people lie. The number of second marriages vs first makes it statistically unlikely that the step mums on here aren't ow but just understandably , reluctant to admit it or the point they are talking about will be ignored and the focus will be on the affair.

elderflowerandrose · 29/04/2018 12:30

Op, if you felt so comfortable with what you did, why on earth do you sound so uncomfortable?

You have, in truth, broken up an entire family and damaged his children in the process no doubt (no one comes out unscathed) you say his was unhappy, well it wasn't THAT unhappy as he would have left before and chose not to.

The narrative that you are repeating that HE is the victim is one that shields you from the guilt and pain. There is no one here that feels sorry for your dh, or is likely to. My sympathies are mainly for his children, and his wife. The childhood and happiness that was shattered no doubt by yours and your dh's actions.

You can waffle on about stereotypes and judgemental people, but they are judging you with good reason I suspect.

For the record, I have never been cheated on, but have seen the carnage is causes and you are unlikely to be absolved from your guilt on here. I suggest you to go to a church and consider a confession, or counselling on ways to forgive yourself and stop projecting onto others.

Willyouadmit · 29/04/2018 12:31

Fontofknowledge- wow!! You really do live up to your username and have captured the point I was trying to make and I agree with your post.
I know of 2 people 1 male 1 female who stayed in unhappy marriages until their children left home. The male had an affair, his wife found out but they stayed together. I didn't find this out until he had left his wife for good. Both of them (people i know) regret staying in the relationship so long. So what you have said is correct.

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elderflowerandrose · 29/04/2018 12:31

say that he was unhappy, well he wasn't that unhappy.

Dancingmonkey87 · 29/04/2018 12:41

Answer the question op has your dp got custody of his dc?

timeisnotaline · 29/04/2018 13:09

fonts explanation seems to miss a trick. The man feels unloved and excluded in this newborn period... this is such an incomplete argument without the reverse side- a woman often feels exhausted, like she has lost herself, hasn’t slept for more than a few hours or had an adult conversation in months, like a domestic servant, BUT ALSO has no options to go look for a little bit of validation elsewhere. This is why while I might sometimes understand affairs, it’s never when there’s a wife at home with a small child. That’s despicable,go home and bath the baby, cook dinner and do some night wakings instead.

Willyouadmit · 29/04/2018 13:41

Dancingmobkey when children were younger care was 50/50. DH was certain she would never harm children. There has never been any issues surrounding that.

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Willyouadmit · 29/04/2018 13:46

Elderflower - I'm not sure in which of my posts I sound uncomfortable. I am not. I never said I was being judged.

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Willyouadmit · 29/04/2018 13:51

Dancing monkey I have only just read your post asking about custody. I have answered that. However, not only do you judge an individual - but you now seem able to judge a group of people on what you assume they would do ? You don't know these people and have no way if knowing their opinions. So what you are saying is, if a family member was in the wrong you would say they weren't as that's what families do ? Where would you stop at That?

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FellOutOfBed2wice · 29/04/2018 13:51

I admit that in a previous relationship I was the OW. Long term it was really horrible and I fully admit that I didn’t trust him... he was untrustworthy! He claimed that he had never done anything like this before and that it was a one off but he ended up lying to me so I got my just deserts.

I was young and a bit naive and stupid. Looking back now I’m more glad than I can write that I didn’t end up married to him with kids. Life is hard enough without suspecting your partners every move and not believing what they’re telling you.

Dancingmonkey87 · 29/04/2018 13:57

If she was such a horrible person and abusive then why did your dp not have full custody? Do your step children have a relationship or are they affected by your and your dp actions?

Dancingmonkey87 · 29/04/2018 13:59

In my experience and many others family’s stick together so to speak regardless if there family member is in the wrong such as cheating they will create scenarios in order to justify it there is no justifying it.

LongWavyHair · 29/04/2018 14:03

I wasn't the ow but dp was still married to and living with his ex when we met. They were separated but still living under the same roof. He moved in with his parents not long after he met me and his ex met someone else around the same time. They were divorced 6 months later.

Willyouadmit · 29/04/2018 14:19

Felloutofbed2... given some of the replies on here did you admit at the time to friends, family, colleagues etc that your partner was in a relationship when you met.

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Willyouadmit · 29/04/2018 14:43

Dancingmonkey so would you stick together so to speak?

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Willyouadmit · 29/04/2018 14:46

Why would he take full custody- where did I say exw was harmful to the children?
Do you mean do my husband's children have a relationship with us?, if so then yes a good one - they never did not have a relationship with their dad - why would they not ? Obviously I was introduced to them at a much later point and we have a good relationship too.

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MargaretCavendish · 29/04/2018 15:37

If you look on the ONS website for the statistics for 2nd marriages (2015-16) you will see that 2nd marriages end in divorce less than 8% of the time - whereas first marriages is 46%.

Can you provide a link for that? I can't see those figures anywhere in the ONS report on divorce for that year, but may be looking in the wrong place. They look very different to other figures I've seen.

fontofnoknowledge · 29/04/2018 15:50

Timeisnotaline I don't agree that my argument misses a trick . I clearly stated ' As we all know, sex is also not top of the list for new mothers. A combination of tiredness , post baby body issues and a growing disconnection. It's not an excuse' I am not 'blaming' the mother , simply stating the reasons why infidelity are so prevalent amongst new fathers' Of course women don't have the opportunity to look for 'validation elsewhere' - they don't feel the need. They have validation as a mother and are simply not interested at this point. The focus is on the family. Add to that the biology of a hormonal surge towards maternal nurturing and a decreased interest in procreation (surge in oxytocin - the love hormone and decrease in Testosterone and progesterone - the sex hormone, ) then you have the basics for it all to fall apart.

Elderflowerandrose
say that he was unhappy, well he wasn't that unhappy. . This is a perculiar statement and seems to play to the popular narrative that if a man changes partners he must somehow have been 'lured' in some way. Without his consent. I would suggest that OP is exactly right. People do not leave happy marriages. He has married the OP after being married to someone else. Therefore is was unhappy where he was.

This discussion will always be difficult on MN because it supports a huge amount of women who found their way here as a result of the anguish of a relationship ending via infidelity. It is always going to be easier to place the blame entirely at the door of The adulterous party or the OW. When in fact it is rare for a relationship to founder solely on the behaviour of a single party. Before the infidelity occurs, there are already problems.
As a social scientist I believe that if the default setting for child contact at the end of a marriage was assumed to be 50/50 (and only changeable for welfare concerns with court intervention) then more unhappily married men would be prepared to end the marriage before having an affair. The choice at the moment to leave your wife AND children is the biggest cause for lying.

Dancingmonkey87 · 29/04/2018 16:57

By your account paramedics and police were involved so suggests violence but your dp was happy to leave dc in an environment where someone is violent?

Dancingmonkey87 · 29/04/2018 16:59

Most dc who find out that their df went off for ow wouldn’t have a lot to do with their df or have little respect for them.

fontofnoknowledge · 29/04/2018 18:29

I think that is a huuuuuuge generalisation. My DH's ex was having an affair with the person she is now married to. When I met him I was separated from my DH but still sharing a house as we couldn't afford two homes. My now DH was still in his family home although working away.
If you listen to his ex wife she will play the victim to whoever will listen. My DH stayed for the kids. She wanted him to stay for the money. (and worry about what her parents would say)
Our meeting meant he could no longer stay, so whilst he left within a week of us meeting and before we slept together- I will still be the OW to all who will listen to her. A narrative she has made sure the children are aware of. It really upset them for the first 18 months and she fucked around with contact for nearly a decade trying to alienate them until the oldest 2 had enough and moved in with us at 12 and 15 (now at Uni and still here when at home).

It entirely depends how the split is handled. No one leaves a happy marriage. For it to breakdown there has to be fault on both sides. Of course it better not to compound that with deceitful behaviour but some men know their children will be held hostage. So stay or lie.

fontofnoknowledge · 29/04/2018 18:35

The comment to OP about her DH leaving the kids with the mother despite DV from mother to father is also highly disingenuous. Spend 2 minutes on the lone parent, divorce or relationship boards and you will know that DV between parents has no impact at all on a Child arrangement order - and who gets residence. Just because he was the victim, it would still be extremely unusual for him to be given residency of the children if she had been the main cater to this point.
I think you have to accept that some people have unhappy fist marriages and go on to have happier 2nd ones.

Willyouadmit · 29/04/2018 18:44

Dancing monkey - i never ever stated that she did or would have harmed the children. DH honestly believed this. As far as we know this is the case today. His children have never mentioned anything along these lines at all. She has had other children too.
And yes they know what the circumstances were when we met. Yes their mum delighted in telling them a very one sided version. My DH chose to wait til they were older to sit them down and talk to them. Yes sometimes it was difficult. Have they lost respect for him - no. Did they maintain contact every week- yes. I think that's another stereo typical and judgemental view you have.

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takeittakeit · 29/04/2018 19:06

Am not totally sure how you can make a one sided version of Dad had an affair whilst we were still married - that is fairly factual.

So he sat them down and justified his actions - crap, the DCs did not need to know this. How old were they?

Willyouadmit · 29/04/2018 19:09

He was asked about custody of children but as fontofknowledge states there was no way he would have been given full custody unless he could prove they were in danger - which he couldn't and has never had to pursue that avenue.

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