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9yo Boy sleeping in DSD’s room

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TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 08:10

I have some serious concerns about my DSD’s mum’s relationship. I’m not usually bothered what goes on in their home as long as the children are happy and cared for.
So as not to drip feed their mum has a long history of having inappropriate bfs, either very young or questionable criminal backgrounds, just not the sort of people you’d ideally like around your children but we’ve kept out of her business up until now.

Most recent bf she’s been with about a year (which is the longest relationship I’ve known her have), he moved in after 3 months of dating and the SDs had only met him a few times before he was permanently in their home which is worrying enough. He has a bad reputation for drug use, violent conduct (admittedly not domestic which is a mild relief) and other criminal activity.

This man has 3 sons I know of. 1 he denies all knowledge of (but it is well known he is the father, mother of the child makes it no secret but she’s happy for him to not be in the child’s life). 2nd child he is currently only allowed access to via a contact centre, previously had been denied access to for 15 months, and mother of this child is adamant she won’t allow unsupervised access because she has serious safeguarding concerns. There have also been concerns he is only attempting to gain access to this child to be vindictive to the mother as he has not bothered to turn up to the contact centre for his visits on several occasions and refuses to pay and child support.

And 3rd child he saw sporadically until recently but now he’s living with SD’s mother he has been having him every other Saturday night at their house.

So other than our previous concerns our main one is that this 9yo boy is now sleeping on the floor in 9yo SD’s bedroom every other weekend.
I understand their house is small and space is limited but I just don’t think it’s appropriate for a boy of that age who is a virtual stranger to be sleeping unsupervised in my SD’s bedroom.
And what age will it stop? It’s a tiny box bedroom so they’re in close proximity and SD has told us how uncomfortable it makes her feel.

DP tried to talk to their mother about it but she got really defensive and said “Well she shares a room with Tina’s DD when she’s with you”.
This is true but my DD is a year younger and they want to share a room together, it’s not the same as sharing with a boy she doesn’t know who’s almost a year older than SD.
DP asked why doesn’t the child sleep in their room or on the sofa and her response was “No, we like our privacy”. But she’s not allowing her own daughter any privacy?

What can we do about this? Currently his SD is coming to me every time this child stays over because she doesn’t want to be sharing a bedroom with him but then she’s also unhappy about him sleeping in her room when she’s not there.

I can’t always have her either because DP and I don’t live together and he works weekends twice a month. I have two children of my own and want to help my SD but I’m not always available to. DP can’t afford to give up the weekend work as he’s barely keeping his head above water financially as it is.
What other options do we have?

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LongWavyHair · 24/03/2018 08:26

At 9 I don't think it's inappropriate. Also, it's a small house so there isn't very much they can do. He's on the floor, which can't be nice for him either.

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 08:32

He’s almost 10, they don’t know each other and her DD has told her it makes her uncomfortable.
At 10 the older SD was starting puberty. I just don’t think it’s right.
I wouldn’t be happy about an older boy my child didn’t know sleeping in her bedroom

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TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 08:34

@LongWavyHair they have 2 other options too, like DP said they could have him in their room or on the sofa.

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NorthernSpirit · 24/03/2018 09:53

I don’t think it’s inappropriate either. Kids go for sleepovers all the time and sleep with kids they don’t know. It sounds like you are trying to find a problem.

You sound really involved - I don’t know how you know all this information about the BF or what goes on at the mums house. For your own sanity i’d take a step back. You can’t control what goes on at the mums house. Just like she can’t control what goes on at yours.

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 10:02

@NorthernSpirit we wouldn’t even know about it if SD wasn’t ringing us crying asking to not to sleep there when he visits. If the child is uncomfortable with it then why is it being forced? There are other options available

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CeeCeeMacFay · 24/03/2018 10:04

I think it’s unfair rather than inappropriate

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 10:06

And we know all of this because this man is quite notorious and we live in a small city.
We have serious concerns about this man being around the SDs at all, let alone living there and having his son sharing a room with SD when she isn’t happy about it

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fascinated · 24/03/2018 10:08

Of course it’s not right! Cannot believe people defending this

Look up overcrowding guidelines. I think there are rules even for opposite sex siblings above a certain age

Talk about teaching a young girl to ignore her boundaries! Selfish behaviour from the adults forcing her to do this

fascinated · 24/03/2018 10:11

You can not compare it to a sleepover! They’re alone, he is a BOY, it’s not a friend she has agreed to share with. She is not consenting.

Bogmoppit · 24/03/2018 10:15

Why are you concentrating on criminalising the 9 year old boy? He hasn't done anything wrong and he may not like the arrangement either. You are being unpleasant and goady by making this an issue about a child.

This man is living with your SD. One woman has serious safeguarding issues and he has to see his child in a contact centre. One is happy for him not to be involved in his son's life.

The problem is him. Not a 9 year old child.

Speak to social services with regard to the contact centre issue. Could you ask the police for disclosure about any safeguarding issues?

You are being foolish and vile making this about a child and not the adult. I would have hated anyone sleeping on my floor at 9 including a female relative. At his age it is not inappropriate. He isn't a sexual predator no matter what you may be twitching about. Your DP should be doing more to ensure that the BF is above board and not a risk.

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 10:16

I just don’t know why he can’t sleep in their room or downstairs? Why does he have to sleep in with SD if it’s making her so uncomfortable?
I’m not assuming he’s a predator or anything but it can’t be nice for him either sleeping in a room where he knows the little girl doesn’t want him there and is unhappy about it.
I’d give up my own bed and sleep on the sofa to keep my kids happy.
I feel sorry for both the SDs being forced into a situation like this

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TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 10:18

I’m not being vile about the child, I’ve said nothing negative about him whatsoever. I just don’t think you should force your DD to share her bedroom with an older boy she barely knows. I don’t know this little boy but I do know SD so naturally my concern is for her.
We have contacted SS but they are denying he lives there and simply stays over ad hoc but that is untrue. He lives there 100% if the time but claims to be living with his brother.

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Bogmoppit · 24/03/2018 10:19

WHY ISN'T YOUR DP ENSURING THE BF IS NOT A THREAT?

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 10:23

@Bogmoppit how can he? We’ve contacted SS and bf just denies living there. We even contacted benefit fraud as he is definitely living there just in the hope they’d get evidence to prove he is living there.
He simply moved out for a few weeks then back he came.
DP already has joint custody but he wouldn’t get full custody without being able to prove they are in immediate danger. From the outside the children are fed, clothed, looked after and attend school without long absences so there’s little we can do.
My friend is a social worker and has advised us as such

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DunedinGirl · 24/03/2018 10:26

The fact that her mother isn't listening to her shows a rather callous disregard for her child's feelings and needs. If she feels uncomfortable in this situation that should be enough for it to not happen. Little girls need to be taught that their needs and concerns matter.

Could your DP have a talk with the mum about the situation? Could he possibly take on more of his daughter's care if it was going to be a more permanent thing?

VioletCharlotte · 24/03/2018 10:30

Agree with Bogmoppit, the 9 year old boy isn't the issue here. The issue is either this man being around your SD. From what you've said, her Mum doesn't have good judgement when it comes to men, so it's up to her Dad to safeguard her. But the courts would only remove her if they believed she was at risk, and I guess it depends on how bad the violence/ drug taking is.

I can see why she may not like sharing her room with this boy, but it's not inappropriate. If she's really unhappy, what else could your DP do ? How about his parents? (DSDs grandparents) Would they have her sometimes? Aunties and Uncles maybe?

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 10:31

@DunedinGirl he’s tried talking to Mum but as I said upthread she’s not going to do anything about it.
For now it’s only every other Saturday that this boy is sharing her room because the other weekend the SDs are with DP.
Mother wouldn’t be willing to give up her time with the SDs as it’s split anyway, DP has them 3 nights a week already

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TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 10:34

It’s not just the 9yo old as my OP stated. But it’s what is immediately concerning me at the moment as Mum isn’t listening to SD’s concern or acknowledging her upset

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fascinated · 24/03/2018 10:34

Well OP you can at least talk to her and reassure her that her feelings are valid

That will be better than nothing

swingofthings · 24/03/2018 10:45

Of course 9yo of different sexes can sleep in the same room. My children did, by choice, until they were much older than that.

The issue is that indeed, it is not HER choice. If she's uncomfortable with it, than that should be that. The problem is that the issue is not going to be resolved unless she speaks with her mum and hopefully, her mum takes her seriously so they can discuss a way around it.

Your partner raising this is not going to be taken seriously However worried she is, she needs to speak to her mum. If it is causing her a lot of grief, then she needs to be encouraged to talk about it with someone at her school.

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 10:49

It’s shocking that an 8 yo child needs to convince her mother that she’s not being a safe parent. What the hell is it coming to

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fascinated · 24/03/2018 10:56

Yes, the school suggestion is a good one

With all the publicity around grooming gangs, I am amazed that people do not see and accept the risk of ignoring this young girl’s boundaries in relation to the opposite sex and teaching her that she has no right to dignity and privacy. It is this kind of drip drip messaging to young girls that causes low self esteem and poor boundaries and makes them targets for abusive people and behaviours later in life. Honestly, it is so naive and disingenuous to pretend that this is us criminalising” or unfairly characterising this boy, when we are merely pointing out the obvious wider repercussions. It sounds as though the mother herself also has poor boundaries - and so we see how these issues are handed on through the generations....

MsJuniper · 24/03/2018 10:58

I agree with you OP. Sibling rules for housing purposes are 10+ but these aren't siblings and most importantly your DSD is not only not given a choice but having her concerns ignored. I am not sure what you do except give her a voice in your own home and let her know the door is always open.

swingofthings · 24/03/2018 11:01

It’s shocking that an 8 yo child needs to convince her mother that she’s not being a safe parent. What the hell is it coming to
It's shocking that people would assume that a 9yo boy would automatically make a girl of the same age unsafe if sleeping in the same room. The world is not full of peadophiles who start abusing girls from their young age, despite what the media would love us to think.

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 11:03

I never said he would make it unsafe @swiftofthings ??? What I said was that SD was extremely unhappy about having to share a room with a.) a boy b.) a boy she barely knows
And her mother is completely disregarding her feelings in order to appease her most recent bf

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