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9yo Boy sleeping in DSD’s room

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TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 08:10

I have some serious concerns about my DSD’s mum’s relationship. I’m not usually bothered what goes on in their home as long as the children are happy and cared for.
So as not to drip feed their mum has a long history of having inappropriate bfs, either very young or questionable criminal backgrounds, just not the sort of people you’d ideally like around your children but we’ve kept out of her business up until now.

Most recent bf she’s been with about a year (which is the longest relationship I’ve known her have), he moved in after 3 months of dating and the SDs had only met him a few times before he was permanently in their home which is worrying enough. He has a bad reputation for drug use, violent conduct (admittedly not domestic which is a mild relief) and other criminal activity.

This man has 3 sons I know of. 1 he denies all knowledge of (but it is well known he is the father, mother of the child makes it no secret but she’s happy for him to not be in the child’s life). 2nd child he is currently only allowed access to via a contact centre, previously had been denied access to for 15 months, and mother of this child is adamant she won’t allow unsupervised access because she has serious safeguarding concerns. There have also been concerns he is only attempting to gain access to this child to be vindictive to the mother as he has not bothered to turn up to the contact centre for his visits on several occasions and refuses to pay and child support.

And 3rd child he saw sporadically until recently but now he’s living with SD’s mother he has been having him every other Saturday night at their house.

So other than our previous concerns our main one is that this 9yo boy is now sleeping on the floor in 9yo SD’s bedroom every other weekend.
I understand their house is small and space is limited but I just don’t think it’s appropriate for a boy of that age who is a virtual stranger to be sleeping unsupervised in my SD’s bedroom.
And what age will it stop? It’s a tiny box bedroom so they’re in close proximity and SD has told us how uncomfortable it makes her feel.

DP tried to talk to their mother about it but she got really defensive and said “Well she shares a room with Tina’s DD when she’s with you”.
This is true but my DD is a year younger and they want to share a room together, it’s not the same as sharing with a boy she doesn’t know who’s almost a year older than SD.
DP asked why doesn’t the child sleep in their room or on the sofa and her response was “No, we like our privacy”. But she’s not allowing her own daughter any privacy?

What can we do about this? Currently his SD is coming to me every time this child stays over because she doesn’t want to be sharing a bedroom with him but then she’s also unhappy about him sleeping in her room when she’s not there.

I can’t always have her either because DP and I don’t live together and he works weekends twice a month. I have two children of my own and want to help my SD but I’m not always available to. DP can’t afford to give up the weekend work as he’s barely keeping his head above water financially as it is.
What other options do we have?

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TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 11:52

Lastly swing SS have not been able to assess their relationship whatsoever because mother denies he is around at all. He moves out and goes off the scene then comes back. Their services are so stretched that our SD’s situation barely registers on their radar unfortunately

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Allthebestnamesareused · 24/03/2018 11:53

Where does the older SD sleep then? Can't the sisters share and the boy have the room to himself?

swingofthings · 24/03/2018 11:53

I would have got them to speak with their dad. Again, you seem to think I don't agree with you. I only reacted to your comment about their mum not being a safe parent.

In the end, if SS are satisfied that he isn't putting the children in danger (and that's whether he lives there OR is only visiting), your OH has to accept that there is nothing he can right now. Of course, the girl might decide that she wants to come and live with him, in which case, he might indeed have a chance to get custody as even at 9yo, they would consider her choice, especially if the reasons were that she didn't feel comfortable with the boyfriend and son around.

VioletCharlotte · 24/03/2018 11:55

Tina has your partner got any family who could have DSD when he is working?

Keepingupwiththejonesys · 24/03/2018 11:57

Tina, yanbu at all. Some of these responses are absolutely ridiculous and they clearly have no clue or experience of this. I shared with my brother until he was 10 and me 8, that's because we wanted to though and it makes a huge difference that we are siblings. This boy is a stranger to your DSD. Its not the boys fault at all and I doubt he's happy about this either.

I have a DSS and he was around age 8 when he started to appreciate some privacy. A lot of children begin puberty around the age of 8+ and privacy is needed then.

Do you know if their house is council? If so then I believe that by law different sexes cannot share once one is over the age of 10

Shockers · 24/03/2018 11:59

I would’ve hated this at her age. Children should be listened to when they voice their feelings.

swingofthings · 24/03/2018 12:00

Their services are so stretched that our SD’s situation barely registers on their radar unfortunately
There are indeed, but any safeguarding issues would not be ignored.

She does need to speak to her mum. If her mum ignores her and tell her to live with it, it might be what makes her decide to want to live with her dad.

BarbarianMum · 24/03/2018 12:00

Sorry keeping up but that's just not true. End of the day it's her mum's decision and she's made it.

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 12:02

@VioletCharlotte I’m happy to have her most of the time, if not then DP’s Mum has her. But it’s not the point, she should be able to spend a weekend at home with mummy. She’s been calling me since 7.45am wanting to come over but I’ve got plans. I’ll have her tonight though.

allthebest funnily enough mother won’t force older SD (13) to have younger SD sleep in her room as she needs her privacy Confused but she won’t allow younger SD to have any.

The situation has resulted in 9yo SD not having a single weekend night at Mother’s house in the last 6 weeks.
Older SD goes off and does her own thing but younger SD feels trapped and unhappy with the situation and tries her best to get out.

I would be devastated if my children ever felt like that Sad

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swingofthings · 24/03/2018 12:04

Unfortunately, the only solution would be for the mum to get rid of the boyfriend and nothing your OH or yourself will say to her will make it happen. She might hear her daughter or she might not, and if not, then your OH needs to go to court for custody. 6 weeks already of her refusing to spend the week-end there, that's evidence that will support his case.

NathusiusPip · 24/03/2018 12:07

Have I strayed into some weird parallel MN universe? Or is there some big back story to this that I'm unaware of? Confused

Of course an 8 year old shouldn't be forced to share their room with an older child. More so, but not only, with an opposite sex child. How would you like it if some bloke (or woman) came and slept on a duvet by your bed. Would you sleep comfortably? Hmm

VioletCharlotte · 24/03/2018 12:16

Tina I know it's not the point, but what I've learnt, through my own experiences, is that people like this never change. You'll drive yourself mad trying to reason with her.

DSD is lucky she has her Dad and you looking out for her. I would just focus on both doing what you're doing, and being there for this little girl, making her feel secure and loved and offering her a safe haven to come to.

Keepingupwiththejonesys · 24/03/2018 13:00

babarian just had a quick look. I was wrong, there's no actual law but yes, some rented or council owned properties do in fact have rules/regulations about this...and so they should.

9yo Boy sleeping in DSD’s room
LongWavyHair · 24/03/2018 13:05

But the council won't have the boy on the council house application as he isn't a resident child, so the rules will not apply. Or at least the shouldn't, because the council can't have it both ways.
If he was included in the application then they would be eligible for a bigger house, but as he isn't then they're not so they have to make do.

thethoughtfox · 24/03/2018 15:28

I know of a similar situation and family set up where the older boy abused the younger girl. He was two years older though.

FlippingFoal · 24/03/2018 18:58

To those that wonder what the problem is and he's only 9 - River Phoenix reportedly lost his virginity at 8, as did my ex. Young children are capable of sexualized behaviours - RP was abused, my ex admits that at 8 he came on to his baby sitter

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 19:34

Thank you to everyone for their supportive messages.
I have SD at my house now, DP is staying over too even though he has work at 6am.
She’s happy and settled and making dens in DD’s room. She said she’s so happy to be here

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SciFiG33k · 24/03/2018 21:08

Can I just clarify are you actually her step mum? Are you married to her dad? Do you live with her dad?

MagnaWiles · 24/03/2018 21:23

I don't think it's at all appropriate for a girl of any age to be forced to share a bedroom with a boy who isn't a family member -- especially if she feels uncomfortable about it.

Just to reassure you that you're not being overly precious about this, here's some safeguarding guidance from the NSPCC which suggests that children of the opposite sex over 10 shouldn't be sharing a room -- presumably that relates to siblings, so I'd say that at the age of 9 with a relatively stranger is equally if not more inappropriate.

www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-protection-system/legal-definition-child-rights-law/bedroom-sharing-moving-out/

You could call the NSPCC for advice?

MagnaWiles · 24/03/2018 21:26

I'm really quite shocked by the number of posters on here who are excusing this situation -- it's really not right, especially when the girl clearly feels so uncomfortable with it.

MagnaWiles · 24/03/2018 21:27

@SciFiG33k "Can I just clarify are you actually her step mum? Are you married to her dad? Do you live with her dad?"

Does that have ANYTHING to do with the actual question here, or is it just prurient interest?!

TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 21:37

No we are not married but been together for 6 years.
I am an active part of her life. We don’t live together because our children we still very young and it’s easier to keep separate households, but for the most part we are a happy blended family. We are not in a financial position to be able to afford the children their own rooms (we’d need a minimum of 4 bedrooms) so we have made the conscious decision not to move in together yet.
Not that it makes any difference to the situation in their mother’s home that DP and I are asking for advice for.

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TinaGurner · 24/03/2018 21:38

Our children are still very young
Is what I meant write

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SciFiG33k · 24/03/2018 22:44

Not that it makes any difference to the situation in their mother’s home that DP and I are asking for advice for.

I think it makes a difference to what you specifically can do about it. As if her dad was to have full custody of her it would be his responsibility to house her and look after her not yours. I think personally all you can do is reassure your DPs daughter and help her to find a way to discuss the situation further with her mother. Other than that it's up to your DP. Previous posters have already given lots of suggestions there.

I agree with what swing has said. I don't believe this poor little 9year old boy is a safety threat to your DPs daughter. But I do believe the mum is being a crap parent for not listening to how upset it's making her DD and not making alternative arrangements.
The boys dad is another matter all together.

fascinated · 25/03/2018 18:49

None of us has any idea if this is an immature “poor little boy” or a boy who has been forced to grow up too early and been exposed to all sorts. And anyway even “nice” boys do things they shouldn’t sometimes... Which is why we have sex segregation usually from about 7/8

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