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I need some outside insight from experienced step-parents please

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CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 10:49

I am at my wits end and need some advice and an outside perspective.

I divorced 7 years ago and have been with DP now for 6.5 years. We moved in together after about a year into a house we bought jointly.

I have two DDs, now aged 15 and 12.

Myself and DP are struggling now and I’m at a loss as to how to proceed.

Early on he got on great with the DDs. They were very fond of him, shared interests, he watched movies with them, did drawing etc, he enjoys family outings and is generally much more interested and hands on than their dad.

I was delighted as family life had been a struggle with their dad, he was a high functioning alcoholic who really never wanted a family or to be tied down. He is still in their lives, sees them regularly (1 weekend in 4 as he lives abroad) etc and is much better as a hands off dad with little in the way of responsibility. They have a lot of fun with their dad and as he sees them only once a month he doesn’t apply much in the way of discipline. He deals with everything with humour and jokes, is really messy and generally weekends and holidays with him they are allowed do more or less what they want. Their stuff comes back all in a heap with stuff forgotten more often than not as their dad is generally too busy havig a good time and joking around to pay much attention to all of that. I’m not having a go at him, it’s how he is and they love it.

DP on the other hand is a very regularised kind of a man. He likes routine and structure and an organised house. My younger DD went off him completely after one holiday with her dad (I think the penny dropped that the family unit of me, her dad and the two kids was irrevocably gone and she got quite depressed for a few weeks – she was about 8 at the time – and has never had such a good bond with DP since – he has dealt with this fairly well, he understands things are hard for her but obviously it’s also hard for him as she turned from hugging him and enjoying him a lot to being resentful and pretty hard on him, almost overnight. They rub along ok now but theres no real bond) My older DD and DP have a sort of love-hate relationship, they joke and fight in about equal measure. I always thought this was quite healthy.

Over the past couple of years though, I guess you could say as the girls approached and entered teenagerhood and left childhood we have begin to struggle more and more. As I said DP is organised, structured, very tidy etc. He gets VERY frustrated by “stuff” left lying around, by chairs not put back under the table at the end of a meal, by the girls not putting their laundry away quickly, by them leaving shoes or schoolbags around the floor where they shouldn’tbe, or leaving coats on chairs etc. By them making a face of disdain when they come to the dinner table or not eating their vegetables. All of the stuff that definitely IS irritating in a family home, but also fairly normal I suspect.

The struggle comes because he can’t seem to be able to cope with this “laxity”. I don’t like it either and I pull them up on it and lose my temper sometimes, but he seems to have no humour about it. – he expects it done his way and if not he gets very annoyed. He speaks to the children quite harshly then and if I challenge him on it he gets distant and withdraws from the family. There seems to be no space for a middle way.

We try to keep a no wifi after 10pm and none on Sundays rule and there is no allowance in his monitoring of this for any flexibility. He does all the tech stuff in the house and so if the kids want some wifi on Sunday or after hours they have to ask him and he makes a big song and dance and won’t adjust it. I’ve asked if he can show me how to do it but he hasn’t. I don’t mind a bit of flexibility, in anything, I’ve no interest in runnning a police state and sometimes that what it feels like he would like. Something where we have very black and white rules and regulations, everyone adheres to them at all times and woe betide you if you don’t.

He is pretty controlling in other areas too. We have a dog and recently my DS visitied and fed the dog some sweets after he had asked her not to. He ranted at her in front of about 8 people, telling her off, how he wasn’t happy etc etc. I get it. Of cousre she shouldn’t have done it but really, it was a minor thing and could easily have been let go. He doesn’t care who is present, if anyone does something he doesn’t like, or outside his rules he will tell them off in no uncertain terms. He is a very big man with a loud deep voice and it’s not easy to brush it off.

Soon after we got together he had a different dog and we were outside a café when some very silly teenage girls walked past and fed his dog a chip. He stood up and shouted at them “stupid cunts” and ranted at them. I remember being gobsmacked at what I saw as a really extreme overreaction , nevermidn the use of language I wasn’t comfortable with in that context - being shouted in public at two clueless teenagers. It was a side of him I’d never seen but I somehow ignored it as he was lovely to me, to the kids etc and I buried it. Recently it is coming back to my mind more and more.

I was really cranky yesterday – I do suffer with depression and anxiety which came to a head at the end of my relship with exH and sometimes things get on top of me (I’m dealing with this at the moment – meds and counselling but sometimes I still have a bad day) – and I was locked in a sort of tit for tat exchange with my DD1. I was feeling quite low and tearful.

DD1 is always late, she was late again yesterday as we were trying to get somewhere. We were then driving back to the house afterwards and as we pulled into the drive she took off her seatbelt and swung the door open to get out of the car before it had stopped. Stupid behaviour I know, thoughtless. He slammed on the brakes and did an unecessary emergency stop which threw her and her sister forward in the car. He ranted at her, she was rude back, I gave out to her for her rudeness to him and told her she shouldn’t have done the door thing. But then I also said to him he shouldn’t have slammed on the brakes like that as it was dangerous.

I left it then but it was on my mind all evening. I have to go away with work for w week next month and DP will be in charge. I generally have to do this once a year and it’s always been ok, but I feel tensions are higher between them all now and I’m feeling worried about it.

I brought it up with him this morning and he just says they need to learn, they need to learn.

We tried joint counselling for a while as I find the energy in the home can be pretty unpleasant at times and I wanted to try to dicsuss how we could make it better in a mediated, supported environment. He pulled out of that after a few sessions as he found it really difficult to open up.

Because of my anxiety etc I often worry the negative enrergy is my fault, caused by me. But I do feel that his unbending attitude, allied with his withdrawal when things don’t work according to his plan, and his controlling approach contribute a lot too.

When I am in a bad mood, giving out about something one of the kids have done, he always jumps on it with me, as though he is delighted to have a reason to give out about them. Then it can escalate, as it did yesterday. I was annoyed with my DD, giving out, so he joins in, and then we end up with the emergency stop in the car situation, which I think really shouldn’t have happened. I tried to explain to him this morning that when I am losing my cool I need him to keep his, not to join me in it. I told him I don’t want the kids frightened in their own home, or overly worried about anything. They’ve had a hard enough time with me and their dad splitting up. They told me previously that he has done this kind of thing before when they’ve been with him in the car. I get it, they can be annoying, they squabble and fight like toddlers at times and I know I’ve pulled the car up myself abruptly on occasion to try to get them to stop. BUT I would always apologise after, and explain why I had done it and try to get them to understand the frsutrations.

I know the poor man is finding it hard, he never lived in a family situation since he left his own parents home and apparantly they all put things away and never left a mess there so he can’t understand how it isn’t like that in our home.

He is always kind and loving to me, will apologies if he hurts my feelings etc but he WILL NOT apologise to the kids, it’s almost like a point of honour with him.

I feel like I am living with two people, the loving partner and the gestapo policeman.

I’m the first to admit I can be soft, I’m much more interested in my kids remembering their childhood as a happy, warm place than somewhere they adhered to uncompromising rules – that said, it’s not like I let them run the place. They have bedtimes, there just might be a 20 minute leeway, I do ask them to clear their stuff up and remind them if they don’t, but I understand it is not top of their priorities and might take a while or a few reminders…that sort of thing.

I recently found DP looking at porn online in our shared office when I walked in, something I really wsn’t expecting and it threw me. He tried to pretend he wasn’t but a day or two later admitted he was. TBH I probably wouldn’t have minded except for the lying (exH lied about a lot of sexual stuff so I guess it’s a bit of a trigger, plus I have some personal body perception issues I’m working through so it brought that stuff up too) We talked and I tried to explain how it made me feel and how I really felt I was living with someone I didn’t really know as a result of it (we’d talked about porn before, he knows I am pretty openminded so I didn’t really understand the subterfuge, that threw me) – anyway – as a result he decided he wanted to figure a few things out and is going to counselling now himself. Which I thnk is great, I told him I need him to join me solving this, that I didn’t want the “problems” is our relationship/family life to be all my responsibility (as they were in my last relnship)

But its slow going. At the moment if I bring anything up he dissolves into tears and says he doesn’t know what to do, that part of him feels like just packing up and moving out, but then that he loves me and doesn’t want to lose our relationship.

I did suggest to him before that maybe an option would be for him to move out and get a place nearby, that for the next few years we could continue our relationship as a couple without all the stress that family life is obviously bringing to bear. He absolutely didn’t want to do that said “it wasn’t what I signed up for” – which I do get, but with all the stresses and strains maybe flexibility is needed?

Anyway. I had no idea this would be such a novel. Thanks if you made it to the end. I guess really I am hoping for guidance, is this normal? Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Should I be worried? Am I the unfair one being too soft and unreasonable?

I just don’t know. Parenting is hard enough, step parenting is a whole other ball game

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Buggeritimgettingup · 29/08/2017 11:42

I'd suggest you kick him out. What kind a man calls teenage girls cunts

I somehow ignored it as he was lovely to me, to the kids etc and I buried it. Recently it is coming back to my mind more and more.

Keep it in your head and get rid. He's abusive to your kids and youre letting him carry on because he's making you doubt yourself.

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 11:47

do you really think he is being abusive to my kids? (it was two strangers he called cunts - not defending that, but it was 6 years ago, wasn't my kids and I've never heard him lose the rag like that again)

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Buggeritimgettingup · 29/08/2017 12:09

He slammed on the brakes and did an unecessary emergency stop which threw her and her sister forward in the car

He doesn’t care who is present, if anyone does something he doesn’t like, or outside his rules he will tell them off in no uncertain terms. He is a very big man with a loud deep voice and it’s not easy to brush it off.

so if the kids want some wifi on Sunday or after hours they have to ask him and he makes a big song and dance and won’t adjust it. I’ve asked if he can show me how to do it but he hasn’t.

He's abusive to your children
He is controlling
He's lying
He physically put your child in danger

FadedRed · 29/08/2017 12:13

He sounds like an intolerant, controlling bully IMO.
I was hoping by the end of your thread, you were going to say something like "Having read back what I'd written I can now see clearly how this relationship cannot continue."
Your daughters are being bullied by your partner. It's that simple. He might think he loves you, but he doesn't even like your children.
So sorry, Op, but you need to keep this man away from your children.

thethoughtfox · 29/08/2017 12:16

This is scary behaviour but even if he wasn't doing that, your children don't feel happy and loved in their own home. Don't make them live like that.

plantsitter · 29/08/2017 12:17

It's never black and white. Doesn't really matter who's to blame or what behaviour is bad - except that teenagers are not as able to regulate their behaviour as adults are.

Just ignore the rights and wrongs and imagine the sigh of relief you'd all be able to take if he did move out. Is it big enough to make it a good idea? Have your daughters ever talked about him to you?

Mrscropley · 29/08/2017 12:17

Your household isn't a happy one. . So get rid of the root cause and be happy.

Ltb. .

StaplesCorner · 29/08/2017 12:20

Its frightening reading how much you have bought into this OP. He's dangerous, he's building up your "tolerance". You've tried counselling he withdrew from it. Please get advice from Women's Aid, they normally start a Freedom course each September.

I'm scared for your girls, I have two that age, their dad is a dick, similar things that you describe but that brake slamming business would be a deal breaker.

paulapantsdown · 29/08/2017 12:21

How can you love a man who clearly dislikes your children?

He'd be out the bloody door if he was my husband, and I would live in peace and harmony with my children. He sounds like a controlling bully.

Some people just aren't meant to live in a family environment.

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 12:23

OMG, when you put it like that...

I've never been great at looking at things in black and white, hence lots of sitting on fences seeing both sides

Now I'm feeling quite sick and anxious - I had long term plans with this guy (we get on great when the kids aren't around) but I keep hoping he can change his attitude/behaviour and I thought the counselling was a good step and showed he is open to change

he can be really really lovely to them too, and at times has comforted them when they've been upset, with me or with life in general. But I guess much less so over the last while

honestly I think it is all too much for him (it would be for me too in his posn - but i don't think I'd behave like this)

I guess I better look at places to move to then, we co-own the house so getting him to move out might be tricky - also its an old house with a massive garden and I won't be able to manage it all myself

I'm shaking

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StaplesCorner · 29/08/2017 12:27

I'm impressed that external views have hit home OP; is there someone you can get support from in RL? You must not move out unless you think he is a real immediate threat - I hope someone will be along in a minute to help with more concrete advice but he's the one in the wrong here, he should go.

heidiwine · 29/08/2017 12:31

I have been a step parent (albeit non-resident) for the last 7 or 8 years.
There are times when I have been at the end of my rope with fury and frustration BUT because they are not my children but the children of the man I love (which makes my relationship with them precious and fragile) I do everything I can not to let my anger boil over. Of course sometimes it does and I have on occasion lost the plot but I would never ever cause them harm (emotional or physical).
I think that the best step parents are pretty laid back (I'm not!). Your partner is certainly not laid back and, from what you've said, he is worryingly controlling. If you were the mother of my partner's children (and I knew the situation they were in) I would be doing everything in my power to have the children come and live in our home where they would be safe and not treading on eggshells constantly.

AmyGardner · 29/08/2017 12:32

He " at times has comforted them when they've been upset...but not for a while."

Well, that's the very bare minimum you should expect from, to all intents and purposes, their father.

He sounds like an unbearably rigid and unpleasant prick, if I'm honest.
He'll only get worse. Imagine the lovely freedom you and your girls would have if he wasn't creating the horrible suffocating atmosphere you describe.

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 12:40

he has got a lovely side - he makes a lot of effort for birthdays and xmas and for special occasions, he buys them very thoughtful gifts, tries to organise nice events for them, he is NOT an orge. But he is finding it hard, he is not very laid back about many things and I think he feels very underappreciated. I get all of that. But he can be very rigid for sure and I do despair that it seems to be getting worse rather than better as time goes on. Teenagers aren't easy, they drive me batty too at times, but I appreciate that I am the adult and unfortunately need to step up and take more responsibility. I'm always telling the kids that we can't control anyone elses behaviour but we can control our own reactions but then he doesn't seem to be able to do that. When I tell him he needs to be the adult he says he is tired of always having to be the adult. I get that too. I am tired of it, but unfortunately it's life!

I am mulling now. I've told my sister and pointed her to this thread as she probably doesn't realise exactly how things have been. She knows him in RL too so will have a good understanding and hopefully good advice.

Thanks to everyone. I don't know many step-parents in RL and no "blended" families, or not many, so outside perspective is very helpful.

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plantsitter · 29/08/2017 12:43

God, I'm tired of always having to be the adult too.

But if he wasn't the adult he wouldn't be able to do the things he enjoys, like controlling everybody else's wireless usage or tell them off in front of a group of people...

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 12:44

"treading on eggshells" - that's it, in a nutshell. Although they don't actually, they run over them at a hundred miles an hour leaving chaos in their wake, which is what is winding him up! but which is what I think is completely normal for two healthy teenagers

strangely his brother is completely alienated from his parents and has been for years, so maybe there was something in their family life/upbringing that contributed to his (as I would see it - dysfunctional) way of being in a family

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CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 12:47

just rereading some of the comments above as I am abit less shaky now - the girls have talked to me on occasion. DD2 says she hates him, but I put that down to her wanting me to get back with her dad and resnting him cos she thought he was in the way. DD1 always got on ok with him but recently said she doesn't like him but she wants me to be happy and she won't be around forever so she will put up with it while she is :-(

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grandOlejukeofYork · 29/08/2017 12:47

Wow. I can't believe you moved a man who shouted and swore at young girls in the street in with your own young girls after a year.
There is an awful lot here about him and how he feels and you and how you feel and very little about your 2 children who have had to put up with this controlling arse for half their lives and you backing him up at every turn.
If I were you I'd get rid of him and start trying to make it up to your daughters before it's too late.

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 12:53

I haven't backed him at every turn, quite the opposite. And I have told both girls that they are perfectly entitled to argue their cases with him if they don't agree with him. As I do, both privately and in front of the girls. It's just getting very wearing now and the changes I had hoped for don't seem to be coming. I do take the point that the shouting at the girls in the street should have been more of a red flag. Aaargh! Hindsight, what a wonderful thing. I was blinkered for sure

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plantsitter · 29/08/2017 12:56

That's a warning, isn't it. Your daughter is not planning to stay close to you after she's old enough to leave.

You're all sitting tight until the kids have left home and it's just you and him. Is that what you want?

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 13:02

no, its absolutely not what I want at all. But I think it may be what he is thinking.

Wish to fuck I'd never bought the house jointly with him now. At least then things would be easier to unpick.

I'd be horrified if my kids felt so uncomfortable in my home that they'd distance from me. That is a really good insight. But nor do I expect them to live in my pocket and I don't want them to feel they can't leave cos mum is all alone.

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grandOlejukeofYork · 29/08/2017 13:09

And I have told both girls that they are perfectly entitled to argue their cases with him if they don't agree with him

Your children were what, 5 and 8 when he moved in? And you told them they are entitled to argue with him if they don't agree? Shock

They hate him. They hate living with him. He sounds awful. Your eldest is already looking forward to the point where she can move out and get away from him, and has told you that she thinks your happiness with him is more important than her happiness and living situation. She obviously believes you think this too.

StaplesCorner · 29/08/2017 13:10

Calendula this has very little to do with him being a step-parent and everything to do with him being a controlling bully. Those girls shouldn't have to "argue their case" - you should be protecting them, being in their corner 100%. They come first. Only 12 and 15 - so many years ahead that should be spent happy with you in their own home.

thethoughtfox · 29/08/2017 13:11

'And I have told both girls that they are perfectly entitled to argue their cases with him if they don't agree with him.'

But it's not an equal argument is it: children against a large, forceful adult male who has all the power and will always have the final say.

thatdearoctopus · 29/08/2017 13:16

All I can say is that I'm glad I don't live in your house. Seems like your girls feel the same way - and will vote with their feet as soon as they can. Is that what you want?