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I need some outside insight from experienced step-parents please

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CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 10:49

I am at my wits end and need some advice and an outside perspective.

I divorced 7 years ago and have been with DP now for 6.5 years. We moved in together after about a year into a house we bought jointly.

I have two DDs, now aged 15 and 12.

Myself and DP are struggling now and I’m at a loss as to how to proceed.

Early on he got on great with the DDs. They were very fond of him, shared interests, he watched movies with them, did drawing etc, he enjoys family outings and is generally much more interested and hands on than their dad.

I was delighted as family life had been a struggle with their dad, he was a high functioning alcoholic who really never wanted a family or to be tied down. He is still in their lives, sees them regularly (1 weekend in 4 as he lives abroad) etc and is much better as a hands off dad with little in the way of responsibility. They have a lot of fun with their dad and as he sees them only once a month he doesn’t apply much in the way of discipline. He deals with everything with humour and jokes, is really messy and generally weekends and holidays with him they are allowed do more or less what they want. Their stuff comes back all in a heap with stuff forgotten more often than not as their dad is generally too busy havig a good time and joking around to pay much attention to all of that. I’m not having a go at him, it’s how he is and they love it.

DP on the other hand is a very regularised kind of a man. He likes routine and structure and an organised house. My younger DD went off him completely after one holiday with her dad (I think the penny dropped that the family unit of me, her dad and the two kids was irrevocably gone and she got quite depressed for a few weeks – she was about 8 at the time – and has never had such a good bond with DP since – he has dealt with this fairly well, he understands things are hard for her but obviously it’s also hard for him as she turned from hugging him and enjoying him a lot to being resentful and pretty hard on him, almost overnight. They rub along ok now but theres no real bond) My older DD and DP have a sort of love-hate relationship, they joke and fight in about equal measure. I always thought this was quite healthy.

Over the past couple of years though, I guess you could say as the girls approached and entered teenagerhood and left childhood we have begin to struggle more and more. As I said DP is organised, structured, very tidy etc. He gets VERY frustrated by “stuff” left lying around, by chairs not put back under the table at the end of a meal, by the girls not putting their laundry away quickly, by them leaving shoes or schoolbags around the floor where they shouldn’tbe, or leaving coats on chairs etc. By them making a face of disdain when they come to the dinner table or not eating their vegetables. All of the stuff that definitely IS irritating in a family home, but also fairly normal I suspect.

The struggle comes because he can’t seem to be able to cope with this “laxity”. I don’t like it either and I pull them up on it and lose my temper sometimes, but he seems to have no humour about it. – he expects it done his way and if not he gets very annoyed. He speaks to the children quite harshly then and if I challenge him on it he gets distant and withdraws from the family. There seems to be no space for a middle way.

We try to keep a no wifi after 10pm and none on Sundays rule and there is no allowance in his monitoring of this for any flexibility. He does all the tech stuff in the house and so if the kids want some wifi on Sunday or after hours they have to ask him and he makes a big song and dance and won’t adjust it. I’ve asked if he can show me how to do it but he hasn’t. I don’t mind a bit of flexibility, in anything, I’ve no interest in runnning a police state and sometimes that what it feels like he would like. Something where we have very black and white rules and regulations, everyone adheres to them at all times and woe betide you if you don’t.

He is pretty controlling in other areas too. We have a dog and recently my DS visitied and fed the dog some sweets after he had asked her not to. He ranted at her in front of about 8 people, telling her off, how he wasn’t happy etc etc. I get it. Of cousre she shouldn’t have done it but really, it was a minor thing and could easily have been let go. He doesn’t care who is present, if anyone does something he doesn’t like, or outside his rules he will tell them off in no uncertain terms. He is a very big man with a loud deep voice and it’s not easy to brush it off.

Soon after we got together he had a different dog and we were outside a café when some very silly teenage girls walked past and fed his dog a chip. He stood up and shouted at them “stupid cunts” and ranted at them. I remember being gobsmacked at what I saw as a really extreme overreaction , nevermidn the use of language I wasn’t comfortable with in that context - being shouted in public at two clueless teenagers. It was a side of him I’d never seen but I somehow ignored it as he was lovely to me, to the kids etc and I buried it. Recently it is coming back to my mind more and more.

I was really cranky yesterday – I do suffer with depression and anxiety which came to a head at the end of my relship with exH and sometimes things get on top of me (I’m dealing with this at the moment – meds and counselling but sometimes I still have a bad day) – and I was locked in a sort of tit for tat exchange with my DD1. I was feeling quite low and tearful.

DD1 is always late, she was late again yesterday as we were trying to get somewhere. We were then driving back to the house afterwards and as we pulled into the drive she took off her seatbelt and swung the door open to get out of the car before it had stopped. Stupid behaviour I know, thoughtless. He slammed on the brakes and did an unecessary emergency stop which threw her and her sister forward in the car. He ranted at her, she was rude back, I gave out to her for her rudeness to him and told her she shouldn’t have done the door thing. But then I also said to him he shouldn’t have slammed on the brakes like that as it was dangerous.

I left it then but it was on my mind all evening. I have to go away with work for w week next month and DP will be in charge. I generally have to do this once a year and it’s always been ok, but I feel tensions are higher between them all now and I’m feeling worried about it.

I brought it up with him this morning and he just says they need to learn, they need to learn.

We tried joint counselling for a while as I find the energy in the home can be pretty unpleasant at times and I wanted to try to dicsuss how we could make it better in a mediated, supported environment. He pulled out of that after a few sessions as he found it really difficult to open up.

Because of my anxiety etc I often worry the negative enrergy is my fault, caused by me. But I do feel that his unbending attitude, allied with his withdrawal when things don’t work according to his plan, and his controlling approach contribute a lot too.

When I am in a bad mood, giving out about something one of the kids have done, he always jumps on it with me, as though he is delighted to have a reason to give out about them. Then it can escalate, as it did yesterday. I was annoyed with my DD, giving out, so he joins in, and then we end up with the emergency stop in the car situation, which I think really shouldn’t have happened. I tried to explain to him this morning that when I am losing my cool I need him to keep his, not to join me in it. I told him I don’t want the kids frightened in their own home, or overly worried about anything. They’ve had a hard enough time with me and their dad splitting up. They told me previously that he has done this kind of thing before when they’ve been with him in the car. I get it, they can be annoying, they squabble and fight like toddlers at times and I know I’ve pulled the car up myself abruptly on occasion to try to get them to stop. BUT I would always apologise after, and explain why I had done it and try to get them to understand the frsutrations.

I know the poor man is finding it hard, he never lived in a family situation since he left his own parents home and apparantly they all put things away and never left a mess there so he can’t understand how it isn’t like that in our home.

He is always kind and loving to me, will apologies if he hurts my feelings etc but he WILL NOT apologise to the kids, it’s almost like a point of honour with him.

I feel like I am living with two people, the loving partner and the gestapo policeman.

I’m the first to admit I can be soft, I’m much more interested in my kids remembering their childhood as a happy, warm place than somewhere they adhered to uncompromising rules – that said, it’s not like I let them run the place. They have bedtimes, there just might be a 20 minute leeway, I do ask them to clear their stuff up and remind them if they don’t, but I understand it is not top of their priorities and might take a while or a few reminders…that sort of thing.

I recently found DP looking at porn online in our shared office when I walked in, something I really wsn’t expecting and it threw me. He tried to pretend he wasn’t but a day or two later admitted he was. TBH I probably wouldn’t have minded except for the lying (exH lied about a lot of sexual stuff so I guess it’s a bit of a trigger, plus I have some personal body perception issues I’m working through so it brought that stuff up too) We talked and I tried to explain how it made me feel and how I really felt I was living with someone I didn’t really know as a result of it (we’d talked about porn before, he knows I am pretty openminded so I didn’t really understand the subterfuge, that threw me) – anyway – as a result he decided he wanted to figure a few things out and is going to counselling now himself. Which I thnk is great, I told him I need him to join me solving this, that I didn’t want the “problems” is our relationship/family life to be all my responsibility (as they were in my last relnship)

But its slow going. At the moment if I bring anything up he dissolves into tears and says he doesn’t know what to do, that part of him feels like just packing up and moving out, but then that he loves me and doesn’t want to lose our relationship.

I did suggest to him before that maybe an option would be for him to move out and get a place nearby, that for the next few years we could continue our relationship as a couple without all the stress that family life is obviously bringing to bear. He absolutely didn’t want to do that said “it wasn’t what I signed up for” – which I do get, but with all the stresses and strains maybe flexibility is needed?

Anyway. I had no idea this would be such a novel. Thanks if you made it to the end. I guess really I am hoping for guidance, is this normal? Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Should I be worried? Am I the unfair one being too soft and unreasonable?

I just don’t know. Parenting is hard enough, step parenting is a whole other ball game

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CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 13:17

I agree - its not an equal argument - I just didn't really know what else to do in the situation. I always back them up, except when they've been completely out of order. I can't see it would be helpful for anyone if I just always took their side regardless of the situation...surely they'd just end up walking all over him then and not learn any limits. I dunno. I'm definitely realising it ain't normal anyway, which is what I wanted to find out

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grandOlejukeofYork · 29/08/2017 13:22

It looks from everything you say that you always put him first, plus you knew years ago that they didn't like him and you just let it all continue.

I really hope you can make it up to them, you really don't have much time with the older one. Change it now.

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 13:39

I don't think I always put him first at all, but tried to have balance in the home. Where there was strife I always came in on kids side, when I thought it was reasonable, or where there was any doubt in my mind. I tried to encourage him to change his behaviour once the penny dropped that things weren't rosy, I am not seeing the changes I was hoping for or expecting, or much suggestion that he will ever be able to get on my wavelength so I am working out what to do next to cause least upset for the kids. I'm not perfect. I've made decisions, some right, some wrong. I came out of a long term relationship with an alcoholic and thought I'd met a sane, sober, reasonable man with whom I could have a good relationship while taking full responsibility for my kids when their father chose not to and walked away. I was broken and blinkered perhaps and it probably wasn't the right time to make big decisions like that but c'est la vie.

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plantsitter · 29/08/2017 13:44

I think you sound really nice Calendula. I don't think it's a simple situation and of course the kids need to learn to be told what to do by adults other than you.

However I think you know he's too controlling of them. And too uptight for you in general by the sound of it.

thatdearoctopus · 29/08/2017 13:44

What is the reason for the "no wifi on Sundays" rule?

grandOlejukeofYork · 29/08/2017 13:47

I'm not trying to be horrible, btw, but I am being deliberately blunt because I think you need the shock of the reality here.

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 13:59

I certainly have the shock of the reality of how it looks from outside for sure, and I am very grateful for it, it's why I came on here...I do have a habit of making excuses for people at times and not seeing woods for trees so another perspective is exactly what I need..but I do know that he isn't a bad person, just finding the whole family life thing much MUCH tougher than he ever imagined, and his inflexible nature is not helping him.

wifi off time is because otherwise they do nothing (or they try to do nothing) but sit on games and phones and if the wifi is off they do other stuff like draw and write and cook and so on... but if there is a good reason they want to go on, or they make a case for having an hour or two I'm happy to allow them...I am trying to instill in them the idea that we don't all have to be digitally connected 24/7

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lunar1 · 29/08/2017 15:18

He is a bad person, he knowingly tried to harm your children in the car.

What is the reason for you knowing how to access wifi in a home you half own?

lunar1 · 29/08/2017 15:18

Not knowing

junebirthdaygirl · 29/08/2017 15:31

Look teenagers leave stuff around. Its the nature of a famiky home. It would drive you batty at times but because we have a relationship with these kids we cut them some slack. Your dh has no relationship with them. He has no understanding of them. He is horrible to them and this cant continue or you will lose them soon. And for their sakes too. My ds just arrived back from a trip abroad. There is stuff everywhere at this moment but our focus is hearing his story, engaging with him. Thats how a home should be.

grandOlejukeofYork · 29/08/2017 16:06

but I do know that he isn't a bad person, just finding the whole family life thing much MUCH tougher than he ever imagined, and his inflexible nature is not helping him

It's been SEVEN years. That may have been an excuse after seven months, but not now. He's not just inflexible, he's a rude and cruel bully.

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 17:17

the first number of years were ok though, it's since they are hitting teenager hood that he/we are finding it all harder

I spoke to him and said I wasn't happy with things and I didn't see how we could continue as we are - I don't think he quite got that I was saying we aren't going to keep living together, but I will bring it up again in a few days once he has chance to digest

he said he saw we had three options 1) keep going as we are and he just tries to stay out of everything and let me do all the disciplining/rule making etc (I won't be going for this option - its basically the status quo which I am not happy with as its pretty impossible to "just stay out of things" without there being a toxic atmosphere) 2) that he moves out and rents nearby while he continues with the counselling - we separate our relationship from the home life and see where we get too - I'd be happy to give this a go but he says it is a non-runner for him as "he doesn't want to live in rented accomodation again" - I said me and girls could move into rented but again he doesn't want to be left in the big house alone either 3) that he moves out and moves abroad to live (he isn't from this country but moved here with me 6 years ago, it's my home country). He said he didn't mean it to be threathening but if he moves out at all it will be option 3. I said I understood if that's what he needs to do (though to me its another example of inflexibility tbh not wanting to rent nearby for a while and see if he can get somewhere with his counselling etc - seems he wants it one way (his) or no way)

so that's where we are now. I will let him mull things over and bring it up again in a few days I guess.

I feel numb. He is a great guy in so many ways but too stubborn and inflexible for his own, or anyone else's, good.

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CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 17:25

btw I don't think for an instant he "knowingly tried to harm my children" in the car - he lost the plot and instantaneously overreacted with a teenager who was winding him up big time (apart from making us all late [which is unfortunately normal with her] it also turns out she had left the front door completely open when we went out and it had been like that for the hour and a half we were gone - she operates on another planet a great deal of the time) - his reaction certainly wasn't right and it wasn't good but it wasn't an intentional aim to harm. If I thought that for even an instant I would have been gone like a flash immediately

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Ilovetolurk · 29/08/2017 17:41

What june has said above is almost exactly what I was going to say. Teens are messy and do unthinking things like trying to get out of the car too soon or leaving doors open. Even adults do daft things from time to time.

Your home environment is not normal and will not be healthy for them. As you say he is v inflexible if he won't consider further counselling. For me he would have to agree to counselling and wholeheartedly embrace it for the relationship to have a chance.

Sorry - you sound lovely but it sounds v unlikely to work out with your DP

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 18:09

that's it exactly - we all do daft things and teenagers more so than most, he just seems so highly strung about it all at this stage - and he has admitted as much. He finds it VERY frustrating and through this seems to be losing whatever positive relationship he ever had with the kids. I do get it - they are more annoying now than when they were younger and he could bond with them over animated movies and mario cart, but I love them to bits and I also happen to find the whole teenager thing quite fascinating. I guess he doesn't have that unconditional love thing going on and it sounds like he grew up in a very regulated home himself so can't understand or take the "chaos" of family life with me and mine. He is currently in counselling on an ongoing basis, which is why I want to do this gently. He really is trying in his way, it was hard for him to go into counselling and he has said to me he has realised from the sessions he has had so far that he finds it very hard to communicate and so lets things get to a head before he says anything, maybe hence the overreaction when he does. Anyway, its sort of immaterial. I've had enough responses on here to make me understand the gravity of the
situation and that it isn't all just in my head.

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CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 18:11

he will do the counselling thing but says he won't move out while he does it, just to be clear

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FadedRed · 29/08/2017 18:14

So basically your partner said there were three options, but he wasn't interested in the only one of those three that might have worked to sustain an ongoing relationship with you, ie option two.
So it's either you carry on in this toxic atmosphere or he leaves the country?
He appears to have no desire whatsoever to change his ways.
IMO you should go witch option three, the sooner, the better.

FannytheW0nderDog · 29/08/2017 19:52

Dear Calendula, I feel for you, I really do. There is a lot of stuff on here about leaving the man you love because he is a controlling neat-freak. I don't think that a nigh on 7 year relationship is do easily undone.

Some home truths to start with:

  1. Teenagers are bloody difficult creatures to live with, even in ideal family situations.
  2. One will always feel more wound-up by step-children than one's own children. What can be seen as endearing in my kids is blinking annoying to other people.
  3. You are not to blame. You are in a difficult position trying not to take sides.
  4. People who are obsessively regimentally tidy will always struggle with living with children. If they were his own he might be more accommodating.

Have you had an honest discussion with him about how he feels about your children? Have you had the chance to observe him from a distance with the children when they think that you are not there? That might be quite telling if you could do that. There might be another side to him, I don't know just clutching at straws really. Can't he let you be the primary parent or does he have to step into every situation?

This is not an easily solved situation and I hope that you can find a compromise because that's probably the only way forward without living separately. My OH and I had counselling through Relate which helped and we went on a short course for step parents which offered with coping strategies and seeing the other parents side. I saw that I was being lax in my parenting and letting my partner be the Victorian Dad which wasn;t helpful in the long run.

Ultimately he has to want to change and meet you half way. If he doesn't see himself in anyway in the wrong then it's going to be awfully hard. I am so sorry that you are going through this and I wish you all the strength and courage in the world.

Notimetothinkofausername · 29/08/2017 20:03

This is like reading my childhood. My stepdad was a bastard, on the outside he came across so friendly and charming but he was controlling, angry, jealous and hit me when my mum was away at work. Please don't leave your daughters to go away they'll hate it, I used to dread my mum working. I left home at 17 as soon as I could basically. I now resent my mum, I can't talk to her without thinking about the past. She knew what was happening and did nothing about it, don't you make the same mistake!

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 20:20

FTWD its really interesting to hear your perspective as it sounds like you have been through similar

he is really fond of my two, he thinks that they are clever, talented girls and he sometimes joins me in despairing of the time they spend on screens not pursuing their talents (hence the attempt to control wifi, which comes from me as much as him). He is always interested in how they are doing at school, comes to all their school plays, concerts etc. He really REALLY thinks about gifts for them, orders stuff from abroad, makes things he thinks they will like etc. etc. He tries to get them interested in stuff they can do together (eg bought DD1 a pasta maker for her birthday cos she loves italian food and he is a good cook and thought they could try doing that together) buys my other DD brilliant graphic novels to read cos they both love those and enjoy discussing them. etc etc etc. He is MUCH more interested and attuned to the minutiae of their lives than their dad, who drifts in and out and never checks in about school etc at all

I watched him with them this evening at the dinner table, he was trying to engage DD1 about school as she just went back today, they were laughing and joking and generally acting the clown, DD2 was joining in with gusto. It was lovely. Its not ALL toxic by any means. But he does find it hard to take a humourous approach at times. I am a fairly gentle person and very much into trying to understand people and situations and how to diffuse things and using humour as a tool.I find people fascinating. I love my DDs so much and love working out what makes them tick and seeing how different they are to each other and puzzling how to deal with each. I really dont think a one size fits all when it comes to parenting. He doesnt have that unconditional love and fascination. It may well be that I am lax, and that that is very frustrating for him. I know I am laxer than I would have been if I wre still with their dad, I compensate a bit for teh upheaval they had probably. I'm a really sensitive person and they have all the signs of it too so I tread carefully with them as much as possible. I had a LOT of teenage angst issues when I was young, eating disorders etc and so I am very very mindful of them and their moods etc

He does most of the cooking and laundry around the place. If it were left to me we'd live off beans on toast 5 days a week, have a massive sumptous meal another day and I'd forget to feed anyone the last day, and we'd be scrabbling for clean clothes by tuesday. That's how I am. He is not. So he ends up picking up most of that cos it is second nature to him, but then I think ends up frustrated and feeling unappreciated when we don't all eat every scrap of his lovely meals and put away our clean laundry immediately. I have tried to do more of the cooking and just this morning suggested I take on the kids laundry (they'd soon appreciate him I can tell you after a month with me in charge!!) but he says he doesn't want that, he just wants me to back him up in telling the kids to unload the laundry baskets regularly. I can certainly try but given he usually has to remind me a couple of times to do my own I'm not sure its a foolproof solution!

its just his bloody stubborness and lack of sense of humour when things don't go his way, and his overeactions at times

a course for step parents sounds like a good idea, but we will see. I do also agree with fadedred's analysis that his suggesting the only option that would currently allow us to maintain our relationship while trying to work things through is a no-goer is quite telling...

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lunar1 · 29/08/2017 20:44

You use a lot of words to say how wonderful you think he is.

You have also said he has called your children cunts, and they are sometimes frightened in their own home. You can't ever make up for a miserable childhood.

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 20:53

he never called my children cunts and I never said he did

I use a lot of words to try to offer both sides of a complicated situation

I had their alcoholic dad leave because that really was miserable

I am doing my best to work out how to proceed

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2mum17 · 29/08/2017 21:03

This sounds like my childhood too and i got pregnant at 19 just to get out of home and never looked back. I also have big resentment towards my mum for letting step dad treat me the way he did and its ruined our relationship so if I was you I would put your kids first as it does alot of damage all round. I understand its not always easy with step parents etc but he should not be acting like that towards them x

FadedRed · 29/08/2017 21:12

Flowers Calendula very difficult for you. I hope you work out what is for the best for you and you family.

CalendulaAndRoses · 29/08/2017 21:13

oh 2mum17 (and everyone else who has posted about unhappy childhoods and leaving home as a result) - I am so sorry. I'd hate to think of my kids having memories like that - that's why I am looking to change things

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