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Holidays with stepchildren

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bettyboop1000 · 05/04/2015 12:43

I feel awful for thinking this but...I don't want my stepchildren coming on holiday with us. They go on holiday abroad twice a year with their mother plus stay in cottages at least twice a year and have weekends away. I have three children and would like to go away with my DP. He, understandably wants to bring his children with us which hikes up the price so much that in the end, we can only afford to get away for a weekend. I feel that my children are missing out. I don't want to be this nasty stepmother who excludes his children. I don't know what to do other than take my children abroad by myself which isn't really that appealing. I feel very selfish thinking like this but can't help it.

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Quesera21 · 07/04/2015 03:43

Just to make it clear - I am not of the opinion that life in one family stands still waiting for the other one to be free. Also the rules are the same for all children in the house they are in.

Days out happen in both families but holidays are a fundamentally different kettle of fish. Why should his children not experience going on holiday with their own father. We all see a different side of our parents when on holiday. in this case, the OPs children are hers not his and he is therefore being expected to prioritise her kids over his financially - it is wrong, each pay for their own brood.

My 3 have just had Easter with me in Blighty, whilst their DF has taken her two and their joint to Spain - can not afford to take his own 3 aswell!! His contact weekend aswell and his share of the holiday - now my problem and expense!!!! They know where he is, he skypes everynight to say good night and tell them what he has been up to, her DD comes on and says what a great time they are having, she even asked my eldest why they did not come, "is it because your mum won't let you?"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the irony..............

Storm15 · 07/04/2015 05:26

So Quesera, my DH should never have a holiday with just his 'second family'? And I should never holiday with just my children? Why is it wrong, wrong, wrong?

The venn diagram is a good analogy; my DSD belongs to two different families so it makes sense that she holidays with all the sets of her diagram. She holidays with her Mum. She holidays with her Dad. She holidays with her Mum and the little brother she has there. She holidays with her Dad, me and the siblings she has here. This summer she's going on holiday with a friend for the first time (DH is happily paying for that). In the February half-term she holidayed with just me; I took DSD and our two eldest abroad for 5 days while my DH stayed home to work / look after our youngest. No, I have not bloody well said to my DH that our DC's matter more than his first child.

Occasionally though, we holiday with just our DC's - my DH's 'second family' if you like (although we would never use that phrase). And it seems sensible to me to arrange that while DSD is on a holiday of her own with her Mum. DSD gets plenty of holidays / trips away, including plenty with her Dad. Actually, I may as well spell it out; we went skiing this week, I booked it without DSD because she's not keen on skiing, and skiing is expensive. So I booked our ski trip to coincide with her being away at a holiday park with her Mum and her Mum's family. As I've said before, my DSD is very happy with what happened this past week. And if it makes any difference, we also left our youngest at home with my Mum. Because she is too young to ski.

If your ex has taken his step children and 'new child' when he's supposed to have contact with his 'first' children then yes, that is very wrong. It has never and never would happen here though.

GoldenBeagle · 07/04/2015 06:42

OP; your DSC have holidays with their mum, but your DP will be wanting to have that quality holiday time with his kids, sury?

I don't understand why your kids can be afforded but his put the price up too high, if you pay for yours and he pays for his? Or is he the father of your kids?
If he is not their bio father, he might feel he'd father go on hol alone with you, with no kids at all, or else with all the kids, his and yours. In his shoes I wouldn't want to go on hol with your kids but not my own!

Take your kids on your own. and have a weekend away with your DP.

PeruvianFoodLover · 07/04/2015 07:43

jacobsmum It's natural that your own experiences will influence the way in which you react to posts, but it seems that you are looking at the situation exclusively from your own pov, rather than considering the wider issues:

Also resident children have both parents at home surely that makes up for any additional holidays.

Not all resident children have both parents at home. Many, many resident children live with their mum and stepfather, - they are the NRDCs in their own fathers family.

Im also upset by this thread. I'm beginning to appreciate exactly how simplistic my set up with DD is - she is an only child, with two stepparents who love her, but no stepsiblings or half siblings in either of her homes. Thank goodness - because I'd hate to be subject to the judgment and comments directed at the parents and stepparents who are just doing their best.

Quesera21 · 07/04/2015 08:41

storm - what is wrong is your deliberate acts to exclude his DC. No you have not said it to him, your actions say other wise. Do you tell him - darling have booked x week for our holiday because DSD will be on holiday with her mum and we will not have the added expense - no I bet you have not.

it is the deception in your case that is wrong.

Did you ask her if she wanted to go skiing?

By the way your DH does not have a second family of children, he has one family of children and they are all equal - but in your view only if they belong to you. The hypocrisy........

GoldenBeagle · 07/04/2015 08:45

Storm's situation is completely different to that of the OP. Plus her rather massive drip feed about her other hols with Her DSC changes the context.

Micah · 07/04/2015 08:47

Our holiday budget is usually 1k. So camping in France or whatever. doable with 2 adults 2 children, not so much with 2 adults 4 children.

My 10 year old has been on one holiday in her life. That's all we can afford. Should she have missed it because we couldn't have afforded to take sdc? Who go on two foreign holidays a year? Which dh is expected to contribute to.

Dsc go on holiday all the time without their half siblings. They don't think it odd that their half siblings went away without them.

Maybe their mother could offer to pay for some of the costs so we can take them away, rather than us just being expected to contribute to her family holiday.

And having the two resident parents at home thing- maybe their mother should have though of that before having an affair and kicking their dad out. Plus having moved om man in they now have a stepfather while their father is excluded.

PeruvianFoodLover · 07/04/2015 08:55

golden How did storm drip feed? The first line of her post made it clear she holidays both with, and without, her DSC.

She said - We go on holiday with and without my DSD.

Some posters seem to have been so horrified by one aspect of her post that they have chosen to ignore her very first line!

Petal02 · 07/04/2015 09:21

micah excellent post.

Wdigin2this · 07/04/2015 09:31

I think Storm is doing the very best she can, in a situation which is all too commonly difficult these days! If she and DH take her DC on holiday whilst his are holidaying with their DM....everyone's on hols, result! Storm has made it quite clear that she and DH also take his DC on other occasions, so if the only way OP can take her children on holiday is to do it without his DC, then perhaps she could take a leaf out of Storm's book. She and DH take her DC whilst his are with DM, then both take all DC for a less expensive trip where they get plenty of interaction with her family, or (plus if it can be managed) DH take his DC camping by the seaside/in the forest, which can be cheap as chips, and guaranteed kids will enjoy!

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Petal02 · 07/04/2015 09:44

I think the idea of both households taking their holidays at the same time is excellent, as everyone will have 'holidayed' and no one will have missed out. However I'm sure that there will be people who object, as obviously the father can only be present at one of these holidays, and I expect that if he's not with the 'first children', there will be outrage. Interestingly I doubt there would be the same level of objection if the 'second children' were holidaying without their dad ....

I should add that I only use the term 'first' or 'second' children to make it clear which children I'm referring to. I can't think how else to make it clear.

Jacobsmum1972 · 07/04/2015 10:00

But storm children are her dh's compared to op who are stepchildren to her dh.

I still think that you are going to get resentment if you holiday without DSC because their father has gone on holiday with step or half siblings and not them.

Also some posters seem to think they get a holiday anyway they don't get to holiday with their father.

What if the mother could not afford a holiday what then posters?

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Storm15 · 07/04/2015 10:22

Actually Quesera my DH and I did have that conversation and agreed to book the holiday while DSD was away with Mum. Because we're a team when it comes to all of our kids. Mum was part of that conversation too. Everyone our end is perfectly happy with our arrangements. Clearly you are not, but that is irrelevant. I already made it clear that we don't use the term first / second family.

PeruvianFoodLover · 07/04/2015 10:22

jacobsmum - if a resident Mum (like me) can't afford a holiday with her DC's, then I wouldn't consider it the role of the DC's stepmum to subsidise their holiday - it's not a right, it's a luxury, surely? As I said, I holiday with my DH - admittedly, he doesn't have DCs' - but I'm not sure why that makes a difference; if my DD was going to resent me for holidaying without her, then she'd do that regardless of who I holidayed with, surely?

If I've understood you correctly, your position is as I described earlier - that a stepmum should enter a relationship with a man who has older DC's with the understanding that she may never have the opportunity to holiday with her DH and her DC's at the same time - because the expectation will be that her DH's older DC's will always be entitled to come on all holidays that their Dad takes. Presumably, that extends into adulthood - so when the older DC's are in the late teens, early 20's, and may be holidaying with friends, will there still be resentment if they don't get invited to holiday with their dad and his younger DCs/stepDCs too? What about grandchildren? If the dad has young DCs, and young grandDC's, is there an expectation that there will be holiday parity between them, too?

I'ts not just finances that prevent a blended family holiday - court orders, contact schedules, work/school terms can all conspire against blended families. It's had enough these days to coordiate holidays around the vagracies of school development days and different term-dates for nuclear families - the more schools that are involved, the harder it gets.

It all seems very judgemental and inflexible to me. Given the adaptability that DC's demonstrate when they are faced with parents being deployed overseas, suffering from chronic illness, providing care to other family members, I just don't recognise the description of DCs in this thread which implies they are emotionally fragile and unable to accept anything other than the traditional nuclear family model.

bettyboop1000 · 07/04/2015 10:27

Having read all the posts, I just want to clarify. I can only really afford one holiday a year. Last year I didn't go so that money was spent on a UK holiday this year with my children, my partner and his children. We had a fantastic time. His children are a joy to be around. There was no question about going on holiday without them.

The problem is that now I would like to go on holiday abroad. We are not big earners. My partner would like to come on holiday with us but obviously would prefer it if his children came too. We can just about afford to go, if it was just me, him and my children. Adding his children in would make it impossible. We have looked at all kinds of holidays to find the cheapest that would enable us ALL to go together but it's just not possible.

I still want to to take my children abroad with my partner. He wants his children to come too. If I go without him, yes, my children will still have a holiday abroad, but i won't have one with my partner. I have no one to leave my children with so even a weekend away with him later in the year is not possible.

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Micah · 07/04/2015 10:47

I don't think kids are as fragile as Jacobs mummy seems to think.

My kids see their half siblings go away without them. My sdc go away without their father, without their half siblings. They go with their stepfather and mum. Their mum and stepfather go away without them. They go away with their stepfather a kids, they go away without their step siblings.

There are loads of different permutations of who goes away without who. They don't resent their dad for going away without them once every 5 years or so.

If the kids can go away without their dad, what's so unreasonable about the dad going away without the kids? Mum goes away without the kids, with her new partner, why can't dad?

Actually the biggest resentment was when ex and their stepfather booked to go to Disney without them. When they knew full well the kids were desperate to go.

Holidays actually aren't all that anyway. Teen sdc quite often refuses to go with mum in favour of staying with us. Theyd rather send time doing the stuff we do than spend a week in the canaries ai watching adults get pissed.

catsmother · 07/04/2015 11:33

As has been demonstrated over and over in the replies to this thread there's no 'right' and 'wrong' answer to this issue as clearly individual circumstances can vary hugely, and thus affect what is 'fair'. What works and is fair for one family may not be so for another - it all depends.

From my own personal experience - and this is a particular bugbear of mine - it is our (mine AND DP's) youngest child who's missed out most so far as holidays are concerned. They have watched - and heard (because my stepkids tend to boast - right down to how much has been spent etc) - their older siblings describe their holidays (plural) every year .... that's a winter holiday, plus a summer holiday abroad, plus residential school trips (also usually abroad) and we have had to 'manage' that by falling back on the old cliché 'all families are different' most parents use when their child points out so and so at school has/does something they'd like. I have no qualms about that per se - but it's a different ball game when you are talking about a child's own siblings, the ones we are forever reiterating as 'family' .... though it often feels as if they are 'family' for the good bits, and not for the bad/boring bits ...... and it sticks in my craw to trot out the same old platitudes when we know (but obviously don't tell our youngest) that our inability to have holidays (and do lots of other things) has been severely impacted by the unfair (and sometimes dishonest) actions of DP's ex, and, it has to be said, the older 'children' themselves in recent years.

I'm not being very explicit - sorry - because the detail could out me but what I mean is that we have all but effectively been forced into unfair and avoidable expense over several years which has taken away our ability to have any sort of holiday at all. In recent years, my teenage stepkids (who are now adults) have contributed to that - quite significantly - by being selfish, unco-operative, stubborn (can't really elaborate on a public forum) and, in order to maintain contact with them DP has felt he's 'needed' to spend money to either 'win them round' or 'maintain' contact. My view is rather more down to earth and IMO it's more like manipulation and emotional blackmail but there you are.

Fact is - our youngest has had one holiday in a decade - one they were too young to remember 8 years ago. And this year, we might, at long bloody last, just about be able to afford one - though this could well be a 'one off', so doubly important IMO. Of course it's natural that DP would also like to bring his older 'kids' (adults) but that would all but double the cost and that'd be impossible. The alternative is to downgrade the location and length of holiday to include everyone - which, quite frankly, would then become a short break rather than a holiday and one where we'd be held ransom to the vagueries of UK weather. Personally, given OUR background I don't think that'd be fair. Why is it okay for our youngest child to miss out on the sort of opportunity and experience - i.e. going abroad, seeing a little bit of another culture, enjoying good weather - which their older siblings have enjoyed dozens of times ..... so that they - who are now young adults - can participate in what they'd probably consider a very boring UK shorty break ? I can easily see our child reaching 18, looking back, and having NO memories of a holiday AT ALL with either parent - yet the older ones can now look back upon many interesting and exciting experiences with their mother, as well as some holidays with their dad when they were younger.

No doubt some on this thread would feel it's not about the type or length of holiday blah blah - it's about 'quality time' with their dad, but again, this is where our particular family dynamics come into play and I can categorically state that my stepkids have rejected many many opportunities to spend quality time with their dad and his wider family - they are always included in special family occasions, and regular contact has always been encouraged - because they seem very reluctant to join in with anything unless there's a material gain and/or our plans include something of particular interest to them. Excuses will be made e.g. about an older relative's significant birthday because it's not very exciting, and I can't count the number of times they've pulled out of arrangements to see their dad because something better's come along.

That said ..... given their ages (young adults), given our lack of disposable income (which has taken a huge hit due to actions of ex and 'children'), given the lack of holidays our youngest has had, and the prevailing attitude towards spending time with DP generally, I will stick my neck on the line, declare myself a wicked stepmother and say I don't feel they deserve to come away even if we could afford it. It sits very badly with me that they only even make an effort for 'good' stuff - and I strongly suspect, given their lack of enthusiasm for seeing their dad, that if we do manage to go away, any objections from them won't be because they'll be sad at not spending time with him, but at the money they perceive as being spent on their youngest sibling ..... despite the fact, as I said before, we have spent much more on them in the past few years (over and above maintenance of course, and usual expenses when we see them) .... and despite the fact that if they stopped to think about it, their own actions have directly and adversely affected our youngest ..... and despite the fact our youngest will have just a small taste of what they've enjoyed for many years - and the fact they're adults!

This is a difficult situation - because when all's said and done, they are all DP's 'kids' and in an ideal world, we'd have enough money to satisfy everyone. (Then again, in an ideal world, DP's ex and older kids would have been far more considerate, honest, fair and prepared to compromise sometimes ....) But this is where we find ourselves, this is what we have to deal with, and I think what we hope to do is fair. My DP getting an attack of the 'guilts' will no doubt arise again - and I will have to deal with that very tactfully and sensitively ..... I think he knows damn well that given the overall picture, we're not 'wrong' as such, but even now, even though they're adults, he's still petrified of so-called contact being denied him if they get the hump about anything and consequently, this colours so much of their thinking. If our background had been normal, I'm sure this wouldn't be such an issue and he'd have no qualms about explaining rationally to them that for the first time in forever we were planning to give our youngest a little of what they've always had.

And FWIW, I am also the mother of a (now also adult) stepchild - whose father sometimes went away with his new wife and younger children, and sometimes also took our child. I didn't have an issue with this - and nor did our child - because, as other posters have said all sorts of additional factors can come into play such as time off school and work, suitability of holiday where there are large age gaps and so on. My ex and I had a good 'working relationship' so far as our child was concerned - never used them as a weapon, or shit-stirred - so our child felt confident in their father's love and therefore readily accepted that they couldn't always do everything with their dad all the time. They still have a great relationship now and I don't think there was ever any suggestion they felt neglected and/or rejected.

Disclaimer : these are MY circumstances, and my opinion wouldn't necessarily apply to others, but I do get very fed up at being 'told' - even impersonally - by people who (obviously) don't know me how I 'should' arrange my holiday (and god knows what else). The same applies to the OP ..... she is clearly in the best position to understand her own particular family dynamics, all its nuances, all its history, and so on. Again, in our case, it's absolutely fair to say that we have bent over backwards for well over a decade to include DP's older kids as much as we possibly could in everything - in the face of huge hostility and stress ...... I kind of feel, now they're young adults, and given the background, that it's about bloody time someone else got a 'look-in', even if only for a one-off couple of weeks. There's always this concern for the non-res kids, and rarely a thought given (except by those living in similar circs) to a resident child who also 'misses out' in various ways ..... and, finally (after this long diatribe), I personally don't think that having two parents 'together' makes up for every last 'injustice' or difficulty, it just doesn't. And it's definitely NOT our youngest's fault that DP's first marriage broke down FFS!

SurlyCue · 07/04/2015 11:43

I still want to to take my children abroad with my partner. He wants his children to come too.

Its fair enough if he wants that tbh isnt it? He isnt wrong for wanting his DCs on holiday with him. Its just the same as you are wanting yours with you right? You are both right to want that, as a couple you will just have to reach an agreement. How would you feel if he had said he wants to go on holiday abroad with his children and partner (you) but couldnt afford for your DCs to come? That is the position he is in.

I think you need to stop thinking of it as "we cant afford to take his kids" (because you could just as easily take one of each of your DCs rather than both of yours- it isnt his DC bumping up the price, it is the number of people in total regardless of who those people are) but rather "we cant afford the holiday we want" (Because his wishes are as valid as yours) as either decide to change the type of holiday/location etc or save for longer so you can have the type if holiday you both want.

You say you are hoping to go abroad, are you planning a flight/hotel/resort type place or driving/camping? Have you tried places like groupon/wowcher/holiday pirates? Perhaps post a thread in the travel section asking for help finding a holiday.

PeruvianFoodLover · 07/04/2015 16:00

How would you feel if he had said he wants to go on holiday abroad with his children and partner (you) but couldnt afford for your DCs to come? That is the position he is in.

Actually, thats not true. Because he isn't the primary carer for his DC's. He has very limited influence over the expenditure of the monies contributed by both the DC's parents to provide the DCs with the material things and experiences they need to grow into well rounded adults.
A resident parent decides whether to spend the money avaiable to support the DC's on a weekly music lesson, or an annual holiday - the NRP contributes towards whatever the RP decides through CM, whether or not they agree with that decision.

In law, the RP is responsible for all the financial decisions relating to the DCs - how the monies available to support the DC's will be spent. If the NRP is financially bouyant enough to be able to make independent decisions about holidays, then those are in addition to the decisions made by the RP.

It is not equitable to compare the OP (her DC's RP) with the OP's DP (who is a NRP).

SurlyCue · 07/04/2015 16:16

Im not talking about "in law" or who is NRP or RP. I am talking about one parent asking the other to go on holiday with them and their DCs but not taking their own DCs. The couple in the OP both want to take their DC so it is equitable. Both want to go on holiday with their partner and their own DC. No-one is right or wrong for wanting that.

SurlyCue · 07/04/2015 16:19

And neither parent has to go without their Dcs if that isnt what they want. Regardless of who else the Dcs have been or will ho on holiday with.