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Formula 1.... the final race!!!

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ReginaaPhalange · 12/12/2021 12:37

Anyone here watching and want to chat?

Mazepin out with covid! :(

Daniel Ricciardo joking on Instagram saying he's going to win today! (He's my fave hehe..... Perez or Ricciardo for P1!! 😜)

I really hope it's a fair race, no dirty tactics and the best driver wins!! Let's gooo!!!

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ReginaaPhalange · 12/12/2021 18:23

Sky sports presenter said result is imminent....

I honestly cannot predict the outcome.

What I do agree with is a PP saying the rules seem to differ each race...

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toastofthetown · 12/12/2021 18:28

@Stellaris22

Extreme E have one female and one male driver. I wish F1 would allow more female drivers, W Series has shown us that there are some phenomenal drivers like Chadwick. They totally deserve a F1 seat.
I love that rule in Extreme E and I've also been following the W Series, which I am pleased now contributes to super licence points. I hope that Jamie Chadwick is able to get a seat in a good F3 team next year, based on her W series success. She is also a Williams development driver and will be participating in the F1 Young Drivers Test this year, which is more valuable experience and I really hope that she is able to join F1 eventually. But right now I don't think there is female driver who is at the level of F1 driver (and none with the super licence points required to compete). There have been two female F2 drivers in the last three years, but neither were good enough to progress to F1 - which isn't shameful as most in the feeder series won't make it to F1. I think the biggest problem with women in motorsport is pipeline. As long as children's karting is a sport people put their sons in instead of their daughters , then there there just won't be enough women to rise through the ranks and make it to F1.
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ReginaaPhalange · 12/12/2021 19:05

Not upheld

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Fluffycloudland77 · 12/12/2021 19:08

And they lost the deposit too. The second complaint is still being decided.

Crazykatie · 12/12/2021 19:09

@Stellaris22

Extreme E have one female and one male driver. I wish F1 would allow more female drivers, W Series has shown us that there are some phenomenal drivers like Chadwick. They totally deserve a F1 seat.
Women are allowed to race in F1 there have been several in the past, to qualify for a race they have to be fast enough, drivers work their way up in lower classes in many cases Karting, as Hamilton and others did
Binkybix · 12/12/2021 20:13

Such a shoddy way to win the title, for a horribly dangerous driver. Really felt for LH, but he was very mature. More than I would have been!!

Stellaris22 · 12/12/2021 20:15

That's the thing with Verstappen. He's a brave driver and entertaining, but he is also incredibly dangerous at times.

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 12/12/2021 21:06

@ Binkybix well said.

SylvesterTheCat · 12/12/2021 22:31

It seems that the rule book has been thrown out the window for the sake of entertainment.
I'm a Verstappen fan but gutted for LH.

WTF475878237NC · 12/12/2021 22:38

I feel the same way. I couldn't believe the decision and how it was made with seconds to go before the green flag returned. Absolutely gutted for Lewis. Just don't see how this was fair racing.

PiesNotGuys · 13/12/2021 00:38

Totally ignoring what happened today, this are a couple of examples of max verstappen.

2018 - Violent and unprofessional behaviour, attacking Ocon after the race and then when asked in the post race press conference about whether he would apologise to him after emotions calmed, he said‘I don’t have much to say about that. Except that he was being a pussy.”

2018 - post race interviews. “Max - why have you had so many accidents?” Max -‘ I don’t know. As I said at the beginning of this press conference, I get really tired of all the questions so, I think if I covet any more like that I may headbutt someone’

2020 - after Grosjean’s near fatal crash, Max said that any driver not willing to resume racing immediately after witnessing that should never race again.

2020 - Portuguese Grand Prix. On the radio about Stroll “is this fucking guy blind? What the fuck is wrong with him? Jesus Christ. What a retard. I have damage. What a mongol. I swear” When asked about these comments afterward in the cold light of day and having it pointed out to him that this might cause offence? “Not my problem”

Jos vertsappen, his Dad, has been found guilty of threatening messages and violating a restraining order on Max’s mother, as well as being charged with physically assaulting her. He was also found guilty of assault when a man was left with a fractured skull, and more recently reports of violence against a girlfriend and also reports of assault against his own father.

Not blaming max for jos, because I have scumbag relatives and wouldn’t want to be tarred with their brush in any way, but he was right there at the track and we were supposed to root for him/ his team? No. Not for me.

It wasn’t a good day for f1 In my opinion, not holding anyone up as a saint (I can also remember Hamilton calling verstappen a dickhead) but i don’t think it should have happened this way.

Grumpsy · 13/12/2021 05:38

I’m sorry op, but that wasn’t a deserved win for verstappen at all. That was masi deciding that he wanted him to win the DC. It’s a kin to one team winning a football match 10-0 with 2 minutes to go and the ref declaring golden trial and putting the keeper in a straight jacket…

I hope Mercedes take this to the court of arbitration so we can get some actual sport next year rather than spectacle.

Grumpsy · 13/12/2021 05:50

Golden goal - stupid autocorrect

Crazykatie · 13/12/2021 06:59

@Grumpsy

Golden goal - stupid autocorrect
Although it was an unfair end to the race I don’t have too much sympathy with Hamilton, his wages are £40m a year and has been champion 7 times. To his credit he did accept the result with good grace.

Formula One is a media circus, it has nothing to do with finding the best driver, that could be done driving a Go Kart.

Grumpsy · 13/12/2021 07:07

Regardless of what his wages are, or whether he’s won it 7 times or not, Max can’t take pride in this victory.

As I said before this is supposed to be a sport, Mercedes based their decision not to put based on the rules, to have them changed at the last minute. It’s unfair, unsporting and wrong.

Max is 24, he’s a champion of the future but I don’t believe he deserved the win this year.

Grumpsy · 13/12/2021 07:07

Pit*

Grumpsy · 13/12/2021 07:09

Also hats off to Lewis, far more graceful than most others would be in this situation.

GnomeyGnome · 13/12/2021 07:21

I didn't like the way the race ended. But the whole season has been full of inconsistent and dodgy calls. Merc had the opportunity to pit him twice remember, not just at the last safety car but they chose not to and then paid the price. If Lewis had been on fresher tires he could've defended against Max. Yes, they didn't pit at the second as they thought it would end under the safety car but the whole race RB made risky calls knowing that in F1 anything can happen. And it did.
Lewis must be so bitterly disappointed but for him and his dad to go and congratulate Max on the win was great to see. Unlike Toto who couldn't put aside his anger to congratulate his team on winning the constructor's or to publicly thank Valterri. Absolutely protest the result if you want, but he's the team principal. Throwing a tantrum and refusing to talk to anyone is not great leadership. Yes, Lewis lost the championship but that team, everyone back in the factory etc deserved to celebrate that win.

Grumpsy · 13/12/2021 07:37

Mercedes had the opportunity to put Lewis with the vsc, they didn’t but that isn’t the issue here… The fact remains that if they would have followed their own rules and allowed all lapped cars to pass it would have ended under safety car and Lewis would have had his 8th title. What’s the point in having rules in sport if you just throw them out the window at the last minute…

This wasn’t a true victory for Max, the title was handed to him by the FIA.

Grumpsy · 13/12/2021 07:39

And yes toto didn’t display leadership qualities, but I can genuinely see his point.

Let’s be honest it’s not the constructors championship that truly matters for teams, it’s the drivers - that’s the one people remember.

GnomeyGnome · 13/12/2021 07:47

Max absolutely deserved to win the championship. I'm sure at some point someone with a bit more time will go through every decision by Masi this season and the impact it had on the championship.
The rules state that the Race Director has absolute authority in the use of the safety car. That supersedes the lapped cars rule. I don't think this is right and the rules need to be reworded so this doesn't happen again. Max had the most wins, most pole positions, most laps led this season. It's unfair for anyone to say he didn't deserve it.

Binkybix · 13/12/2021 08:06

He absolutely didn’t deserve it because he shouldn’t have won the race that won him the points to win it.

RB pitted because they had nothing to lose. It’s not at all comparable.

TBH I’m not even a fan, it’s things like this that make this too shoddy a sport to follow, but I do like LH and think versteppen is very unpleasant so it’s a shame that he was handed the title in this crooked way.

BHX3000 · 13/12/2021 08:24

People seem to forget it’s not one race that wins you the championship, it’s a whole season. It so happened that they arrived level on points to the last race, which has only happened twice in 50 years. So for the majority of fans it simplified the whole thing.

How the FIA handled it yesterday was a joke. How they went back and forth with their decisions was a joke. But the championship started back in March and had we seen yesterday’s exact race 6 months ago, there wouldn’t have been as much drama made of it. Masi wouldn’t have doubted about doing a normal SC restart - all lapped cars let through first, and off we go. Like it happens every single time there is a SC. Regardless of who’s on fresher tyres or not.

If you’ve been watching every quali and race since the beginning of the season, you’ve seen that Max has driven almost faultlessly. In a car that, in the second half of the season, was inferior to the Mercedes. There were 3 incidents between him and Lewis, two of which were Max’s fault and one was Lewis’. They got penalised for it.

Red Bull’s strategies have been spot on all year. Merc’s haven’t. Lewis has made mistakes in qualis and races that have cost him a lot of points. Merc’s strategy yesterday was perfect, but in other occasions it wasn’t.

Max hasn’t made any mistakes to cost him points, in the contrary, more than once he lost points through no fault of his own (Hungary, Baku, Silverstone).

The FIA is to blame for yesterday, race control did a very poor job. The championship deserved to go to either driver because they’ve done an amazing job all season.

Lewis is an absolute legend and it will be interesting to see what he has to say when he finally appears on media. Yesterday he didn’t attend any of the press conferences he’s required to after being on the podium. He didn’t even park his car where he had to.

BHX3000 · 13/12/2021 08:32

I detest Jos Verstappen. I have a similar father, and a similarly competitive career in a slightly different field.

What that poor boy had to go through as a child, is something I don’t even wish my enemies to experience. Yes, the dad is supportive and helps you get there and pays for it, but the abuse you’re subjected to, and the countless times you are told you aren’t ever going to make it because you’re a [insert insult of your choice]… all that is still there.

Max has spoken about how tough it was to train with his dad when he was young. He has spoken about never seeing an example on how he’d like to live his life, in his own home. A home where domestic violence was the norm, both physical and emotional. The fact that Max won yesterday proved to himself that he is able to do it, despite all the abuse he received growing up.

Lewis and his dad were a class act yesterday. I can’t stand seeing Jos joining in with the celebrations, but it’s not Max’s fault he grew up in an abusive situation. He’s not less deserving because of that.

Angiedx · 13/12/2021 08:40

So disgusted with the FIA

No one could suggest either driver didn’t deserve the championship

But for the rules to be only partially changed to absolutely benefit 1 driver removes the integrity of the sport

If as Masi said it was really about racing he also would have allowed the lapped cars between Max and Carlos to unload themselves allowing Carlos to try and take on and pass Max

He didn’t as that would have meant the race ended under safety car as per the rules

Mercedes have only the rules to rely on when making decisions

If they had pitted Lewis I think once he was behind Max the race would have ended behind the safety car

Shockingly bad decisions one might expect of amateurs not professionals

Masi brought F1 into disrepute

Without rules you can rely on there is no competition