AIBU to be sick and tired of the attitude on mn

[2shoesformyvalentine]

first we had the super race thread.
we have to put up with countless P&T debates which always end up with some idiot saying they object to disabled bays.
now 3 threads about how nt people should be able to use disabled toilets.
add in all the crap we take in rl...
I am so

YANBU. But I'm hoping it's representative of just a tiny minority of MNetters. Unfortunately empty vessels make the most noise and all that.

kettlechip thanks you made me lol
cory your dd sounds lovely.

it gets on my tits too. Missed most of the thread cos haven't been online

However, really want to agree with what fio is saying in that its mostly ignorance and the debate will hopefully make some people think a bit more.

Can also see that this 'responsibility' for us sn moms to reason / inform / educate gets really tiresome for us - well does for me anyway. Sometimes I'm just sick of being patient and understanding, I don't want to argue the toss.. I'm tired and frustrated and angry and all I can muster is an 'oh fuck off you tosspot'

I admire how 2shoes, riven et al get into these arguments over and over again. I agree in confronting and challenging.. it needs to be done. I'm not always up for it. In rl too - in an exasperated oh-what's-the-fucking-point-in-going-there or I haven't-got-the-energy-to-step-on-the-soapbox-today sort of way. Is this reticense as bad in many ways?

I'd just like to second FioFio's post on Fri 13-Feb-09 11:10:59.

I know it must be massively infuriating to come across ignorant and unsupportive people. But it isn't 'the attitude on mn'. It is just the attitude of some people, as in rl.

And as an aside, I'm a bit upset that it is taking MN so long to put right the non-appearence of SN on the active convo page (even for those who want to opt in). I don't think it is the responsibility of any SN parent to educate and inform the ignorant (unless they want to) but I do think that SN topics need to be there in the mainstream conversations.

sorry I gave up seducating after the race thread.
re the ative convos. just looked the opt in/out button is still there.

It's come back, but I've opted in and SN still not appearing in my Active Con.

Not your prob though! I'll have to badger MNHQ again.

The sn opt in iosn'tworking forme either,I have lots of problems with the newMN tbh. PITA.

I think Fio is right about debate. I just think- people don't do themselves any favours do they?

If someone not visibly disabled comes out of the dis-loo i think so they ahve a non visible need. And that'sthat really(being as ds's do also). But iof every one with a a sense of self import buys a radar ket or assumes a right of access then it's only natural I'll stop thinkiing that way, though unintentional. So the emrgencies which cloud the yes-no of usage become annoyances iyswim. Would I deny someone with hyperemesis or a todler with a sudden attack of nausea or diarrhoea the need for the first toilet available? Of course not, I'mnot evil! But extremes of opinion ('of course it's right to buy a radar key') polarise people and emphasise the (for want of a better phrase) 'wrongdoers' so that we don't see emergency tolerance any mroe buyt cheeky prat instead.

What do I think of posts on here.... I think if we used as a slagging off forum it'd be wrong..... If I said 'oooh that 2shoes is a mardy cow....' i'd be seriously out of order. But as a way of gauging opinions of other people within the SN group i think it is useful; there's a variety of opinion in all sections. It's important that this kind of issue is debated in both arenas, and often this is the only chance I think.

I do think SN needs to be a bit more cuddly to each other; past arguments disputes or agreements should be nipped in the bud and not become grudges. I find myself deleting things I truly believe in the worry of upsetting X or Y and it's bloody obvious that Fio is getting a bit of that atm sadly,just as she has enough on her plate with everything. I think that's sad: we need to accept that just because we are banded together by SN doesn't make us clones of each other,and also that if we disagree with each other it doesn't have to mean the end to a friendship (or at the least a supportive relationship) either. It's a shame when that happens as most SN posters arelovely after all and it'sthen ahrd to risk youtr own friendship with that eprson by saying anything.

*2shoes you're going to think I mean you over the Fio thing; I don't specifically. There are often posts from lots of poeple I find a bit harsh. Soplease don't think that's a dig, it's not.

very good post peachy

fio thing!!
fio is not a thing

No she's not LOL, OTOH maybe cat in the hat characters dopost here- who knows?

(have emailed you )

lets chill and admire this instead

agree with peachy

2shoes - I just read yr earlier post as 'I gave up seducing after...' haha

we all friends playing nicely now? Yayyyy

oh I have bigger fish to fry. although I am tempted to satrt 10 threads on the same subject(but won't)

oh don't aggree with peachy her head will get really big

as we used to say aged nine

(whilst gesturing large head)

who is m shadow?

sex on legs

I wanted to ask the same thing, I havent got a clue, who it is. You have showed me before, but I am still non the wiser and didnt want to not be in your gang

I thought m shadow was 2shoes pseudonymand it was an article of self love .- oops

am not moist at the sight of
i'm going home from work now and I'm going to have a think about the hardcore blokes I do like (Hmmm young Ian McKaye was alright)

Tho generally I'm more yr skinnydrainpipejeanseyemakeuprockstar type (think richey manic)

Sorry I haven't read this entire thread, just the first bit.

About disabled toilets - a genuine question

Sometimes I use disabled loos when I've been somehwere with a sleeping baby in a buggy (especially a sleeping toddler).

I wouldn;t use one if I was alone. I'm not too precious to remove my child from the buggy. I would never in a million years park in a disabled bay.

The thing is - there has been nobody waiting for the loo when I arrived. There has been nobody waiting when I exited. I can honestly say I have NEVER copme out of a disabled loo and found somebody wanting to use it.

I struggle to see what harm I have done in these situations.

Also, if there WAS somebody waiting when I exited, is that a real problem unless the person has urgency issues? As far as I'm aware, there's a huge movement towards equality of access and equal opportunity. I'm totally supportive of this but it strikes me that in being "equal" surely a disabled person is equally liable to have to wait for a toilet cubicle? Isn't that just part of everyday life?

This genuinely puzzles me, genuinely, honestly.

Is it not acceptable for a disabled perosn to wait for a loo like everyone else? Is this not just part of experiencing everyday life?

I totally understand the disabled parking issue. I've had my chair removed in the cinema and been asked to sit elsewhere to accomodate wheelchairs - understandably - but I've always wondered about this toilet thing.

Mogwai this debatte is riunning on two non Sn threads simultaneously:appreciate if you could post there instead or read all the posts therein.there's been a lotof upset about it the last few days and it doesnt need rehashing here. and theothetr thread is linked to from here as well.

BTW something you might want to consider is that we'reallaprents: we do know what its like to have a buggy! Our solutions are on that trhread also.

haven't seen the other thread

it was a genuine question in response to reading THIS thread.

Unless you are on MN morning noon and night you can't keep track of all the threads.

"We're all parents". Was there any need for sarcasm? Am I allowed to be sarcastic back or is that against the rules?

It's sarcasm like that that blows things up - sometimes people are asking a genuine question.