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YOU TUBE BULLIES EXPELLED why was the thread removed ?

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mamadadawahwah · 30/01/2007 15:41

Thanks to moms all over the world who saw the youtube videos of a young autistic man at Bournemouth and Poole college being taunted and baited by bullies, the videos were removed and the perpetrators have been expelled. There is talk of legal action and action taken with respect to the "rights of the child" and of course disability discrimination.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/dorset/6311477.stm www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/display.var.1155346.0.disgust_over_phone_clips_of_taunted_autistic_boy.php

I dont understand why the link i originally posted regarding the videos was removed, nor, as a parent of an autistic child, do i understand the comments that were made about not wanting them posted here. Having spoken about the links being removed to friends in the USA, they are at a loss, and chalked it up to being "in denial".

Here of ALL places was appropriate for the videos to be posted. As a parent, i want to know what is going on in our schools and I for one, made a huge stink about this incident as did hundreds of other parents who saw the videos and worried about this young man's emotional and physical safety.

Increasingly, i am coming to the conclusion that mumsnet must be a clique of the few vs the many, the few who seem to have sway over content and who have sway over the direction of threads. Maybe there is bullying going on in mumsnet? I know i have had some "choice" comments, that havent had much forethought, thrown at me, comments which were intentionally rude on a personal basis.

Whoever complained to mumsnet about the videos being posted here, they should think about WHY they were posted, so that parents could make complaints, get the videos off of the air and ensure that the perpetrators paid for what they did.

Turns out it was the americans who originally found these videos and it was the americans who were quoted in one of the newspaper reports as being in full support of this young lad and his family. The americans were talking about these videos well before we were in the UK.

Come on mumsnetters, get your head out of the sand. If that child had been my child, i would have expected better from fellow parents, i would have expected you to tackle this issue and do all you could to get the videos off the net and to make your voices heard.

Mumsnetters who use this board for most of their information would have been at a loss of even knowing the videos existed, seeing as they were removed from here.

If a mumsnetter found it painful to watch these videos, imagine how painful it must have been for the boy, much less his parents.

If parents dont stick together who will?? No one is going to change anything for our kids except parents and in this instance, it was parent power who brought these videos to a head and who had them removed and who got the kids expelled, possibly facing prosecution. On behalf of my own son who is autistic, i say thank you to those parents who used their voice and didnt put their head in the sand.

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ItsMeMellowma · 31/01/2007 15:38

Its very unsettling!

2shoes · 31/01/2007 15:39

if this whole thing was about telling the biggest amount of people about it why put it on sn? why not put it on the main board?where more people whould have seen it. I don't think having a go at jenk is the right way of getting your "message" accross.

Blu · 31/01/2007 15:40

I can see that the discussion would have been useful - without the links.

Not sure whether you need to see an individual being tomented in order to say what you think about it, do you?

No one is saying that the bullying doesn't matter - quite the opposite.

How many zillion protests did YouTube need in order to take it down? Not many, I would think.

If it was an advert or a work of fiction that was being protested about, leaving it there would have been defensible. But it was a RL individual, whose identity was being exposed world wide.

TeeCee · 31/01/2007 15:46

"LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE GLAD THEY WATCHED IT SO THAT THEY CAN PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING TO THEIR OWN CHILDREN. NOT FOR THEIR ENJOYMENT."

And lots of people are glad they didn't have to see it. Actualy seeing it with your own eyes and being disturbed anbd upset won't help you prevent it happening to your own kids. Knowing it goes on makes you aware enough without having to watch it on a m-peg.

I THINK IT IS SAD THAT SOME PARENTS ARE IN SUCH DENIAL THAT THEY EITHER DONT THINK IT COULD HAPPEN TO THEIR CHILD OR THEY KNOW IT'S HAPPENING BUT LOOK THE OTHER WAY.

Speaking as a parent of a child with Sn's and having spoken to the other mums on SN's about this in teh past we all know it's a poosibility and it makes us feel sick thsat any of our kids could be picked on. We fight for our kids day in day out in so many ways. We fight the DLA, the LEA, we fight to get them statemented, into special schools and so on. None of us look the other way whenit comes to ANY child being bullied.

jenk1 · 31/01/2007 15:49

MMDDWW-i dont remember putting a wink emotion on ANY THREAD.

I think you must be thinking of another poster because i certainly havent put a wink on any thread to do with the you tube video.

Why on earth would i do that?

As i said before and ill say it again, my son has been bullied and suffered because of it, why would i want to make light of something by putting a WINK emotion in a thread to do with bullying?

"trouble" to me is the way you are posting, attacking other posters, being extremely aggresive because something that you posted on here was objected to, thats TROUBLE.

Why cant we have a discussion as mum2asd has started about bullying without you going off on one because people Dared to object to the link?

Why do you have to keep mentioning about "the states" and the Americans this and that, what is that supposed to mean that people in the UK dont care as much as people in America?

PeachyClair · 31/01/2007 15:56

Listen here my love (mum2asd)

How dare you accuse me of being in denial or looking the other way. I have slogged my guts out for years getting my boys the help they need, visited schools constantly, got in experts. I can assure you there is absolutely nothing mroe I can do to protect my boys, watching some video clip will not in any way alter that.

I'm not known for being either reactive or venomous but I am spitting in absolute fury at your post. How the Hellc an you jusge anything about me? On what possible planet do you know anything at all about me, my kids and my experiences (I have been bullied very severely- and recently- and know exactly waht it feels like. I also have a history of related eating disorders so please dont assume you automatically have some superior knowledge of what can happen than I have).

I've never said this on MN in 6 years, but I really don't like your attitude.

blossomhill · 31/01/2007 17:58

I may be wrong but I have a feeling mmddww and mom2asd may be same people

ItsMeMellowma · 31/01/2007 18:00

someone just said the same thing on the other thread but she denies being one

VeniVidiVickiQV · 31/01/2007 18:03

Would it be inappropriate for me to say "fuck off"?

SpookyMadMummy · 31/01/2007 18:09

blossom i asked her if she was a namechanger on 2shoes' goodbye thread

Aloha · 31/01/2007 18:12

Yes, of course, the only reason people would like this video taken down is because they are 'in denial' Not because, say, if it was their child it would add immeasurably to the pain to know that there were people all over the web watching a film of his torment, eh? I agree with everything Blu has to say. We are all horribly, vividly aware that our kids are vulnerable for all sorts of reasons, from physical disabilities to learning disabilities to ASD. Most of us, sadly, don't need to watch a video to know that. I'm glad the video clip was taken down and I also know it takes ONE complaint to achieve that, not hundreds or thousands.

tamum · 31/01/2007 18:22

Are there seriously any parents of children with ASD who never realised that bullying might be a problem until they watched a video of someone being bullied on YouTube? Are there loads of people supposed to be slapping their foreheads and thinking why didn't I realise? It's such a shame to have such negative, divisive posting on a board where posters are normally so caring and supportive of each other.

blossomhill · 31/01/2007 18:28

mmddww ~ your main aim is to cause controversy and hurt parents in the same position as yourself and I don't know why you feel the need to do it?

Aloha · 31/01/2007 18:31

The thing is if mmwwdd really wanted help, people here would give it. They really would. I find that heartening.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 31/01/2007 19:24

So I cant say "fuck off" then?

Blandmum · 31/01/2007 19:33

goodness, missed all of this.

I don't think that videos of anyone being bullied should be put up on youtube. It just adds to the pain and humilaition of the people bullied, and of their families.

And in addition you can bet next months money that for everyone person 'made aware' there will be 20 knobheads who think it is 'funny' and will go out and do it all the more! And do it more violently, and in a more humiliating manner. Think of the escalation of vilence with 'happy slapping'.

This is the same thing.

Chocol8 · 31/01/2007 20:47

Thank you VVVQV - i've been saying fuck off to my monitor for several nights now! Well done - don't skulk off, let's all have a party to celebrate YouTube having to take down those videos.

IMO, whether the thread was taken down or not, it highlighted something disgusting and MNers took it upon themselves (myself included, of which i am proud to have been a part of) to get it removed.

This whole thing doesn't have to be a blaming issue MMDDWW, and Mom2asd (if they are different people), it's over, let it go....please!

Oh, and just to be cliquey - hi Bloss and Blu!

TeeCee · 31/01/2007 20:52

By the same count we should all watch real footage of a woman being raped, a child sexually abused, a man murdered, a child with specail needs bullied and tormented and so on then should we?

We know these things are horrific and that they happen and that they could happen to any of us.

I feel sick that my DD may one day be taunted becasue of her disability. Every parent in the world hates to think of their child being bullied.

Watching it happen to someone on realplayer helps how????? What am I missing here? How does not wanting to actually watch a bullying incident mean you are in denial?

Socci · 31/01/2007 20:54

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mom2asd · 31/01/2007 20:57

""I may be wrong but I have a feeling mmddww and mom2asd may be same people ""

No actually you can contact your moderators to search the IP addresses of our 2 screen names. 2 different parts of the country I'm sure. We are not linked or the same person.

I would really love it if some of you who are wasting time on here arguing about who's who would answer my questions on the "Start Over - bully" thread.

Aloha,
I have asked for people on this and the other thread to please go to the start over bully thread over and over. No one seems to want to help. I'm surprised really.

TeeCee · 31/01/2007 21:00

I'll help do what I can.

It is a shame that the real issue, an important one, got lost due to people being offened by the tone of certain posters, isn't it mom2asd.

Anyway, I'll come and find the thread you're talking about.

TeeCee · 31/01/2007 21:06

Where is this thread, in what topic? Can you link me to it please?

TeeCee · 31/01/2007 21:17

Found it, it's in special needs if nayone wants to join it.

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