YOU TUBE BULLIES EXPELLED why was the thread removed ?

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Thanks to moms all over the world who saw the youtube videos of a young autistic man at Bournemouth and Poole college being taunted and baited by bullies, the videos were removed and the perpetrators have been expelled. There is talk of legal action and action taken with respect to the "rights of the child" and of course disability discrimination.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/dorset/6311477.stm www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/display.var.1155346.0.disgust_over_phone_clips_of_taunted_autistic_boy.php

I dont understand why the link i originally posted regarding the videos was removed, nor, as a parent of an autistic child, do i understand the comments that were made about not wanting them posted here. Having spoken about the links being removed to friends in the USA, they are at a loss, and chalked it up to being "in denial".

Here of ALL places was appropriate for the videos to be posted. As a parent, i want to know what is going on in our schools and I for one, made a huge stink about this incident as did hundreds of other parents who saw the videos and worried about this young man's emotional and physical safety.

Increasingly, i am coming to the conclusion that mumsnet must be a clique of the few vs the many, the few who seem to have sway over content and who have sway over the direction of threads. Maybe there is bullying going on in mumsnet? I know i have had some "choice" comments, that havent had much forethought, thrown at me, comments which were intentionally rude on a personal basis.

Whoever complained to mumsnet about the videos being posted here, they should think about WHY they were posted, so that parents could make complaints, get the videos off of the air and ensure that the perpetrators paid for what they did.

Turns out it was the americans who originally found these videos and it was the americans who were quoted in one of the newspaper reports as being in full support of this young lad and his family. The americans were talking about these videos well before we were in the UK.

Come on mumsnetters, get your head out of the sand. If that child had been my child, i would have expected better from fellow parents, i would have expected you to tackle this issue and do all you could to get the videos off the net and to make your voices heard.

Mumsnetters who use this board for most of their information would have been at a loss of even knowing the videos existed, seeing as they were removed from here.

If a mumsnetter found it painful to watch these videos, imagine how painful it must have been for the boy, much less his parents.

If parents dont stick together who will?? No one is going to change anything for our kids except parents and in this instance, it was parent power who brought these videos to a head and who had them removed and who got the kids expelled, possibly facing prosecution. On behalf of my own son who is autistic, i say thank you to those parents who used their voice and didnt put their head in the sand.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6160548.stm

this was just reported in November. How much more do our children have to take before someone gets killed? I am furious at the parents who had this thread removed. I am still in shock that someone would be so selfish.

MMDDWW your first link isn't working. Can you share another one?

You parents who asked this thread to be removed, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

It seems that the americans are not afraid to speak and stand up for the truth and for jusitice.

See this boy? www.myspace.com/lukeloram
This is the face of the boy who made the videos of the autistic boy. I can't imagine turning my head away and allowing my child to be put forth this kind of tourment every day. You people who turned your head and asked this thread to be removed did just that. You are putting your child at risk for this behavior. Then what? YOU are the one allowing this to happen so YOU are the one responsible for the psychological damage YOUR child will encounter because of this.

I am glad that the Americans took action and is supporting the UK child. I hope his parents are supportive as well and take action against the kids who did this to him.

Oh that's quite unlike mumsnet to remove for that reason. I was wondering why the thread had gone as well. It does seem a strange and very unmumsnet HQ type decision. I assumed the thread must have gone pear shaped.

I complained as well, so was pleased you let me know.

I'm not sure what you mean by the americans though mom- there were plenty of UK based complaints and a number notified the NAS.

I didn't mean that they were the only ones. Just the fact that there is a lack of support here, not just here but on other UK forums as well. Parent's don't want to hear what happened. The Americans got their name in a UK article. Made me realize that people across the world care about autism and disability rights. But here we have a lack of and it seems like a crime to talk about it. Of course not with all UK parents, but many of them yes.

Think that's a bit of an over generalisation. I've been to my fair share of moan and do nothing (RL) support groups- in fact think there is a place for them, and probably a time when I needed them, but also know plenty of people who are prepared to do something, and provide advice and support for nothing.

The decision to remove the thread was taken by mumsnet HQ, not by individual members of mumsnet, you would need to ask them why they removed it (they usually see it quickly and respond if you post on site stuff). I'm bemused as to why they removed it (asked the same question myself t a few days ago) but presumably they had their reasons.

I saw the videos and thought they were very uncomfortable viewing, I know someone like my dh would have found them very upsetting to watch so I didn't show him. However, if I told him X, Y and Z has happened here, he'd complain, he's done his bit complaining about stuff before. It's just different people, different sensibilities- don't think you can from that to "everyone is in denial/putting their head in the sand/supporting bullies".

I WOULD be interested to know why MNHQ delted the thread though as I think that was a strange decision- maybe they did;t want to give the boys any publicity which is presumably what they want. I can understand the reasoning behind that.

I didn't ask for the thread to be deleted but strongly disagree with the idea that those who did should be ashamed of themselves!

As I posted on the original thread I didn't want to watch someone being bullied, SN or otherwise. Nor did I want to boost the number of hits the wretched video got.

Personally I'm starting to get a little tired of the generalisations on here. According to one thread title I'm fooling myself because I have a child with AS. Now I apparently have my head in the sand? Presumably I am now also a bully?

I missed the original thread (and am very ashamed to be even living in Bournemouth )... but I can understand the reasoning behind the deletion.

The video would have been getting more and more hits, by the sounds of it it was showing a poor boy being victimised - you don't need to see something like that to be moved to action, in the same way you don't need to see the videos of people beating eachother up to know they need stopping. I would be devastated to know that my child was being watched by strangers - even if they are caring strangers.

The video itself seems to be the issue, not the content of the rest of the thread iyswim.

The outcome of the thread originaly being posted here and on other forums is that people came together to have them removed.

Not to sit at your computer and watch it over and over.

The purpose of a thread like this has been accomplished, the videos were removed yesterday thank God and this child NOW has a bit of privacy left.

The officials and parents are now left to charge the harassers with their crime.

I personally learned a lot from the videos and it opened my eyes to what lies ahead for my autistic child.

If you see this differently then I suppose we can agree to disagree.

I think you'll find that several people reported it without watching it. I was one of them but then why should I have to justify myself to anyone? I'd hate to get in the way of anyone's over-generalising.

well no one around the world would have known that the boys in the video were from Poole college had no one watched the video.

Why ?

Light bulb! Isn't it common sense that had no one ever watched the video, no one would have known it was done at Poole college, and no one would have been able to email asking them to be removed, even if you didn't watch the videos?

I trust the opinion of regular posters on here enough to complain without watching it first.

The link i posted to this forum was a link to the videos, it was the only link to the videos, as the videos were put on youtube by one person. In order to know about the videos, one would have to click the link. When you clicked the link, there were nine still photos representing 9 videos. No one HAD to click the link. However, not to take my word for it, that the videos were actually bullying videos of an autistic person, one would naturally want to open one of the videos if they wanted to see for themselves. No one was forced to open up anything.

If i had posted on here that "hey there is a link on youtube showing 9 videos some little dweebs made in a college in Poole and it shows them bullying a young man who has autism, what would have been the response?

People who made the decision to take the videos off of mumsnet (NANNYNET??) should have left the thread on the board so people could at least see what was being talked about. No one actually HAD to look at the videos. This is getting very circular.

I do generalise about mumsnet, as i said i find it extremely cliquey, at least in the special needs section. I come here to ask advice from people who have walked the road i am now walking on. I dont like having to reinvent the wheel. I dont even have to agree with any of you, nor you me.

I think the link was removed because certain people complained that the videos were painful to watch. So what, then dont watch them. Do something about them instead.

Where special needs is concerned, i have very strong views like most parents. What i abhor most, however, is sitting by and watching "it" happen to someone else, when I know in 10 years time or so, it could be one of you watching MY son or vice versa on a video like that.

Mumsnet will undoubtedly come up with some reasoning for the deletion of the videos. Probably along the lines of "wanting to protect the young man's identity". By the time the link to these videos was posted here, thousands had already seen this man's face. Bit late for that.

but i would really like to know, i really would. these videos have stirred up a LOT of issues and perhaps this is one of them, the "not in my back yard" attitude.

I cant get that young man out of my head cause every time i look at my son, i imagine its going to be him in 10 or 15 years time getting the same treatment. things are not getting better folks, for our kids, they are getting worse. We live in a very violent society, and for kids like mine who are so very vulnerable, i despair.
Now THAT is painful.

"So what, then dont watch them. Do something about them instead."

That's exactly what I did but apparently that wasn't enough.

MNHQ decide what should be deleted, not the posters in SN.

Mumsnet HQ makes the decision whether or not to delete threads, not individual posters or groups of posters(afaik)

Have you emailed to ask why the thread was deleted? Perhaps take it up with HQ first?

If you want to know why it was deleted, email them and ask.

Do you feel it is right that the videos were removed from Youtube?

i never even saw the bloomin link. so have no clue what you are really on about.

I couldnt give a toss why they removed them. It was inappropriate to remove them and i cant think of ANY reason why they were removed, except one: except that the mom of this unfortunate young man was a lister on mumsnet and wanted the link removed.

That is the only reason i can think of, or at least the only one that i would find plausible as an "excuse".

The link is still on websites all over the world (though the videos are down now) Why not on mumsnet.

as i said, mumsnetnanny?

I am not asking you posters to answer this question, i think its a topic that should be debated by us the posters. Without us, there is no mumsnet.

Maybe some dont think its important enough. Well the BBC thought it was important enough as did the local newspaper.

the news article linjk

mmddww ~ I cannot think of any arguments/disagreements on the sn part of mn.
Infact quite the opposite, people are friendly and just want to help.
What they don't want is people pitching them against each other.

why dont you email them and ask them MMDDWW.