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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

Katie Grant from The Times appears to have about as much understanding of autism as my cat.

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Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 14/05/2006 22:06

\link{http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-2177218,00.html\sigh}. Idiots like this make my life 100 times harder. "No love when I say he;s autistic I don't mean he fidgets a bit I mean he can't talk at all aged 7, and has social understanding of a 12-18 month old if that, and will require 24 hour care for the rest of his life, so bog off".

There that feels better. Silly cow.

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Pisces · 21/05/2006 01:42

\link{http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2188147,00.html\Katie Grant's Response}

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 21/05/2006 09:58

She quotes s tudy saying that as the numbers of autistic cases have risen the numbers of "meatlly retarded" have fallen. In fact other studies haven't manged to find this (it's hard to find anything conclusve when accurate figures aren't kept).

I don't think there's much point really is there. If she'd seen ds1 at the camping display we went to yesterday she would have assumed that he was a naughty child jumping on the bandwagoon. He doesn't have "I have thew language of an 18 month old" tatooed on his forehead, and she appears to have absolutely zero comprehnesion that HFA even exists. Silly cow.

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Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 21/05/2006 10:00

Incidentaly the last book I read (by s guy in Scotland) said that AS formed 10% of ASD cases, so if true, recognising AS can hardly responsible for the massive increase

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/05/2006 10:29

Ms Grant is still talking out of her behind.

emmalou78 · 21/05/2006 12:54

well she'ss till pissing me off royally, I shall send another email to the stupid times I think. ...

stapo1 · 21/05/2006 22:35

What a silly cow! although not stupid, thats two pieces published that she has I imagine been paid for... nice profit!

Jonsmum · 09/08/2006 17:57

Letter From Sickened Mother

Dear Katie,
Congratulations on your excellent and most poignant work of fiction! 'Some autistic children aren?t ill, they're just badly behaved'. Well done! You have convinced us all and proven without a doubt, it is blatantly obvious you know very little on the subject you irritatingly refer to as an illness.
As the mother of a five year old son, diagnosed at the age of three with core autism, I am still coming to terms with this diagnosis, and the realisation of its life long implications for my son and my family as a whole. Every aspect of his daily life is profoundly affected by this condition, causing great distress and anxiety, and placing considerable limitations on our families' quality of life.
Months after reading your article, I am still reeling from your obvious cynicism, and venomous accusations aimed at parents of autistic children, you would have us believe, have managed to obtain a false diagnosis of 'autism' for spurious reasons such as: "an excuse for their child's bad behaviour", for monetary gain in order to claim DLA and carers allowance, and most ridiculously, to be trendy or fashionable. Hundreds of parents of severe or profoundly autistic children are being turned down for the level of DLA they rightfully deserve and need, facing appeals, intimidating tribunal appearances and the exhausting task of 'gathering evidence' to support their claim, when they could be spending this valuable time and energy on their children.
Without reference to any research, statistics or professional opinion, you are like a bull in a china shop, launching into an unsupported endless onslaught of extreme, ill considered and offensive statements. To state that children "showered with isms," who are doing badly at school, or are unable to communicate, is nine times out of ten due to "family breakdown, community paralysis and hopeless parenting" is absurd, and based on nothing more than your own dubious speculation. You should take your own advice and take great care before brandishing about, "this worst kind of inflammatory sensationalism".
My heart sank when I read your statement: "It must surely be the worst kind of damage to label your child with an 'ism'." You must understand that parents cannot and do not wish to label their child with an 'ism'. When your child is labelled with an 'ism', they have been diagnosed with a very real and serious condition, needing early intervention, provision and help in enabling them to reach their full potential.
Autism is not diagnosed lightly, as your article implies, and children are not being showered with 'isms'. This is a fact. Anxious parents are placed on long waiting lists and left in limbo for up to three years, before a thorough and comprehensive assessment is done to establish whether or not their child meets the diagnostic criteria in order to ascertain a diagnosis of ASD. Parents are then often left with little or no support in gaining access to the services and provision their child is in dire and immediate need of, at the same time going through a grieving process for the child they had so many aspirations for and took for granted to be 'normal', who they have effectively lost.
Children cannot 'fake' autism. Any parents you are suggesting would seek a diagnosis of autism for suspect reasons would not get past their GP or health visitor and a misdiagnosis of autism is highly unlikely. I am sickened by your cynicism and angered by your extreme views, and although you attempt to balance these views with expressions of empathy for "those parents whose children really are on the autistic spectrum", I am not convinced.
I believe you MUST be well aware of the negative impact your article will have on the public perception of autism, and that the damage you have caused to the plight of families struggling to cope with the demands of their autistic child, in the face of a system that is failing them, cannot be undone.
In you follow up article, 'Autism, we need a debate', in defence of your views on autism you say you are "sorry for the pain, but not for raising the issue". Yet you did far more than raise the issue of rising autism statistics. The weight of your article was focused on your intent to convince your readers, on a very personal and critical level, that the "autism epidemic" is due to such things as, hopeless parenting, family breakdown, and most controversial of all, your assumption as fact, that there are unscrupulous families who are able to obtain a diagnosis of autism for monetary gain, while you yourself are ?profiting? from autism, by being paid for airing your grossly inaccurate and damaging views!
This is not a debate. This is your own callous and contemptuous opinion, aimed at discrediting families with a diagnosis of autism, who you have insulted and alienated, and it is this you should be deeply sorry for.
It is a responsible and concerned parent who seeks out a reason why their child, at the age of two has not learned to say mammy or daddy, and it is an irresponsible and damaging individual who seeks to persuade the public that there are families who are able to exploit this serious condition for all it's worth. By casting doubt over the validity of every diagnosis of autism, you have by default, undermined the motives and validity of every family whose child has a diagnosis of autism. Including those you concede to be 'genuine'.
You refer to your concerns regarding those families with "genuinely autistic" children, who would benefit greatly from ridding the system of opportunistic parents obtaining a false diagnosis of autism, and suggest that "families faced with autism every day," would want nothing more than to have these people removed from "any list". Wake up Katie! As a parent of a 'genuinely autistic' child, "faced with autism every day," why would I have any interest in weeding out 'fictitious families' I do not believe exist? You are inciting a 'witch hunt', serving the system with an excuse to 'crack down' further on all DLA claims involving autism.
Are you able to concede to the possibility that you may be guilty of an insidious form of discrimination, against a disability which cannot easily be recognised as such, but can express itself by resembling 'bad behaviour'?
It has not gone unnoticed, that in your article, 'Previous convictions,? where you talk about your experience of meeting and interviewing a man who had devoted his life to the "mentally handicapped," Jean Vanier. You openly profess to your insuppressible feelings of nervousness, squeamishness and disconcertion towards the 'mentally handicapped'. Ending your article, with reference to your ideas about perfection having been subtly altered, you state, "I still find mental handicap disconcerting but, after having met Vanier, I no longer wish it was not there". I cannot help but speculate as to what your 'previous convictions' were, and ask myself why you should be trusted to be objective on the subject of autism, when you have such questionable disconcerting feelings towards the 'mentally handicapped'.
I am not surprised you have become something of a hate figure. I thank those people who are not prepared to concede to your offensive views, individuals who suggest they should not have been published, and lobby groups that call into question your motives for writing your article. Those who live with autism can only be helped by "shouting down" those with extremist views such as yours, that only serve to damage and distract from the call for a much needed debate on the rising autism statistics.
I am afraid to say that your "desire to question the reliability of statistical analysis in Scotland," has been completely over shadowed and distracted from by your sickening views and determined desire to undermine these statistics, at the cost of maligning thousands of families affected by autism.
I call for another debate. The debate needed on how any newspaper can be allowed to publish your own brand of "pulpit thumping" propaganda on autism. Newspapers should not 'hide behind' their journalists, and the Sunday Times Scotland must be held ultimately responsible for the inevitable and irrevocable damage and distress evoked by your 'article'.
You have supplied the bullets, Ms Grant, and they have fired the gun. Straight into the hearts of every family affected by autism, and without any concession of a public apology and retraction of your article, you should hang your ?hard-boiled? head in shame.

Susan Lord
E-mail: [email protected]

Davros · 09/08/2006 21:10

jonsmum, excellent letter. Not only do our children NEED early intervention etc they HAVE A RIGHT to it!! I'm not up to speed on this whole thing, will have to read more when I have time.

eidsvold · 11/08/2006 04:55

jj - that could be true - especially where down syndrome is concerned - simply because as you know some conditions are able to be determined prenatally and allow women to terminate such pregnancies. In fact in 2002 when dd1 was born - more babies with ds were terminated than were born.

However her article was a whole lot of shite - as a very conservative christian - very lacking in compassion and christian brotherly love - however as she believes in god and his words - as you do to the least of these so you do to me - don't think he would be very impressed with her at present..... can see that going on her record with a big cross.

Jimjams2 · 11/08/2006 08:32

yes that's true eidsvold, and I hadn't thought of it like that - a number of people who have worked in the special school system for years have said that the numbers of children with DS have dropped dramatically, whilst the autism cases have rocketed. But then that's an even stronger argument that the number of cases of autism haven;t changed purely due to changing dx.

eidsvold · 12/08/2006 10:21

the theory about changing dx is just tripe.

springgreens · 15/08/2006 08:39

I think your letter is excellent Jonsmum. Well done you
p.s. I have a son with ASD and firmly believe in the things that you've written, thank you

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