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Katie Grant from The Times appears to have about as much understanding of autism as my cat.

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Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 14/05/2006 22:06

\link{http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-2177218,00.html\sigh}. Idiots like this make my life 100 times harder. "No love when I say he;s autistic I don't mean he fidgets a bit I mean he can't talk at all aged 7, and has social understanding of a 12-18 month old if that, and will require 24 hour care for the rest of his life, so bog off".

There that feels better. Silly cow.

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Blossomhill · 16/05/2006 13:08

Hi everyone

I have had an email off of Babs,the owner of a site for parents whose children have semantic pragmatic language disorder which is what my dd has (very commonly found in children on the autistic spectrum).

She has sent the following email off to the times and I think she raises some very interesting points:-

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to you with reference to an article entitled "Katie Grant: Some ‘autistic’ children aren’t ill, they’re just badly behaved" published in the Sunday Times, May 14, 2006.

As Chair of SPD Support, a voluntary organisation of parents and professionals based in the United Kingdom, who aim to provide quality information, advice and support to parents/carers and professionals supporting children diagnosed with Semantic Pragmatic Disorder, a language communication disorder commonly found in children with Autism, I feel it necessary to put pen to paper to express my concern that the Times would even publish such an uninformed and damaging article.

I would like to express concern over the following points..

The author says..

"The plain fact is that autism has attained a certain notoriety...it has become even more fashionable."............."the condition has been adopted by many other parents on behalf of children who are not ill, just badly behaved"...................... "a diagnosis of some kind of behaviour “ism” might result in £80 a week disability living allowance"......................."although some may be autistic, I doubt that most are really ill"....."It is not autism that makes so many children fidget all the time, it is habit. Children unused to staring at anything static, or making conversation that does not consist of grunts, are bound to appear strange.".............. "But it must surely be the worst kind of damage to label your child with an “ism” when there is nothing wrong except that you’ve not done a great job at child rearing"

Katie Grant obviously has absolutely no idea or understanding of what Autism or any neurological disorder means for a person and their carers.

First of all Autism is not an illness. People with Autism are not ill and they are certainly not "strange"! People with Autism struggle to develop skills within an area known as "The Triad of Impairments", namely difficulties with:

social interaction - difficulty with social relationships; for example, appearing aloof and indifferent to other people;
social communication - difficulty with verbal and non-verbal communication; for example, not really understanding the meaning of gestures, facial expressions or tone of voice;
imagination - difficulty in the development of play and imagination; for example, having a limited range of imaginative activities, possibly copied and pursued rigidly and repetitively.

Secondly, although there may be a case that some practitioners may follow diagnostic trends, implying that the diagnosis is given out willy nilly and that the condition has been adopted by many other parents on behalf of children "who are not ill, just badly behaved" is ludicrous. Where are the parents she claims to exist? Does she introduce anyone in the article? Where are the Physicians she implies will give a diagnosis to order, at the whim of any parent of a "badly behaved child"? Show me one mother who has been able to secure an Autism diagnosis that easily for a child who quite obviously has Autism, let alone one who is "badly behaved"! My experience of the many parents that come to my organisation is exactly the opposite, parents struggle to obtain a diagnosis and support for their children. Parents are usually the first to know there is something is not right and have to go through months of waiting for assessments, years even pass by before any answers are found because a "let's wait and see approach" is usually adopted by professionals. Once a diagnosis is received, however, parents are devastated, knocked sideways by it and come to our organisation grieving their hearts out. They don't, as Ms Grant implies, jump for joy because they have been granted a label that is as fashionable for their child as the latest pair of trainers; a label that will open the door for DLA.. "worth quite a lot.. even more if you are a carer".How insulting can one be?

Why would any parent wish to label their child with such a serious lifelong developmental disability, so they can claim some money!
I would like to point out that parents don't apply for DLA for some sort of personal financial gain, they apply for it for their child, who is entitled to receive financial support for their condition. I could guarantee there are many parents of children with Autism, who are actually receiving DLA, that are deeply in debt after having paid thousands of pounds out for all sorts of services, respite care, support sessions, therapy materials and educational tribunals in order to help their child make progress and keep their family from tearing itself apart.. Does Ms Grant realise that there are people with children who have autistic spectrum labels who try and try and actually fail to receive DLA? She makes it sound so easy? Does she understand that filling in a DLA claim form is one of the most upsetting and difficult things a mother of a child with Autism has to do for her child. To have to sit down and write in such a negative way about every little thing your child cannot do is absolutely soul destroying, when a mother's natural instinct is to brag to the hills if their autistic child manages to hold eye contact for a second, or manages to not having a screaming fit when you turn the hoover on because their senses are so heightened? No, I don't think she does. But then Ms Grant enlightens us all with her knowledge on the subject of autism with the quote "it is not autism that makes so many children fidget all the time"... Autism does not make a child simply fidget!

There probably is a case that in today's society, parents can be too busy to spend valuable time with their children and that some children might suffer language delay/social difficulties as a result of not doing so.. But let's get one thing clear. If a child is diagnosed with autism... It is not the parents fault.

I strongly suggest that Ms Grant reads some material written by Lorna Wing, a National Autistic Society and world leading expert on Autistic Spectrum/Social Communication Disorders before she puts pen to paper on the subject again and that your office takes advice before publishing such nonsense.

Kind Regards

dinosaure · 16/05/2006 15:12

Oh for Gawd's sake.

I have a question for Ms Grant and anybody else who thinks she makes a valid point:

if geting a dx of high-functioning autism or Asperger's is so marvellous, and so easy, then I wonder why I haven't been banging down the doors to get one for my totally non-autistic DS2? Eh?

The simple, and yet quite heart-breaking (to me) answer is, of course, that DS2 doesn't need any such thing because even though my DS1 is very, very high-functioning (and I am grateful for that), life is still more difficult for him in many ways that it is for DS2.

PinkKerPlink · 16/05/2006 15:23

crikey

is she some kind of frightening developmental paed or is she justa bullshitting journo?

PinkKerPlink · 16/05/2006 15:24

oh and i rubbed my hands with glee when my dd was diagnosed with sn, oh for the £80 dla a week of course

I feel like ripping her head off and shitting down her throat. What a vile woman

dinosaure · 16/05/2006 15:28

I think the latter, PKP...

arfy · 16/05/2006 15:33

blossomhill, that is an excellent letter from Babs there.
I hope the Times print it - let us know if they do!

Socci · 16/05/2006 15:38

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Blossomhill · 16/05/2006 18:53

Dh has just read this and was mortified. Also forwarded to dd's pysch at camhs and she has said that in America (where she is from) she would have been lynched and infact doubts if anyone would have printed it anyway.

fattiemumma · 16/05/2006 20:13

OMFG!

not read the thread, and only managed the first paragrah before i had to close it because i wanted the throw the monitor across the room.

Come spend a day with DS and tell me he has is perfectly ok but i just wanted to be part of a trend.

how FUCKING DARE SHE!!!!

oh i am SOOO angry.

plug · 16/05/2006 20:14

Blossomhill, that email is excellent - hope the Times have the decency to publish it.

fattiemumma · 16/05/2006 20:18

OMFG! part two i just read those quotes in BABS' letter.....im an unfit mother becasue he has an Autistic DX??

please someone get me her adress i want to run her down, in teh car i pay for with my apparantly fraudulantly claimed DLA!

i have never been this angry in all my life.
i am so distressed that there are people out there who will actualy believe this drivel.
how on earth could she be allowed to publish this?

if i went and said that peole in wheelchairs are just lazy do you think i could get that published? cos it makes about as much sense!

AngryAngryAngry GGGRRRRR

Pisces · 19/05/2006 00:14

Just so you all know, The Times have been "blown away" by the response to the article that Katie Grant wrote. They are making up a spread this Sunday (I believe) in which Katie Grant can reply as to what she ACTUALLY meant and grovel like mad for getting it sooooooooooo wrong and then the other side of the article is replies / letters etc that have been sent in. Should make interesting reading Smile

hub2dee · 19/05/2006 07:27

That is EXCELLENT news Pisces. Really good. I hope her investigative research supporting her argument gets ripped to pieces.

emmalou78 · 19/05/2006 12:19

YEAY! I can hardly wait,, is this the scottish times, or the englisj one? or both..

Socci · 19/05/2006 13:17

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Pisces · 19/05/2006 14:01

I am not sure if it will just be the Scottish Times or not but I am sure we should be able to access it on the internet. And it will appear on their Features page and is definitely this Sunday.

katierocket · 19/05/2006 14:36

apologies if this has already been posted lower down (in a bit a of a rush_) but this is the response I got to my email (pah I say!):

Thank you for writing to the Sunday Times. I am sorry you have been upset by Katie Grant's article about autism statistics in Scotland. Opinion pieces such as this are designed to be challenging, but when they touch on such emotive or controversial subjects inevitably some readers can find them hard to bear.

I would, however, defend Katie's efforts. She wished to express her genuine scepticism about the huge rise in reported cases of autistic spectrum disorder in Scotland. But in doing so she went to some lengths to distinguish between parents whose children "really are on the autistic spectrum" and those whose children were not, yet who might be included in the latest figures. Her sympathy for the parents of autistic children was apparent in the piece, and I know from talking to her that she regrets any distress which has been caused.

You might be interested to know that we have received a number of other letters on this subject. We hope to feature some of them in our features section this Sunday.

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 19/05/2006 14:40

katierocket- which email address did you send it to? I haven't receievd anything, but I know someone else who had the same response as you, I'm wondering if I sent it to the wrong place.

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Saker · 19/05/2006 15:01

I haven't received a response either.

katierocket · 19/05/2006 15:01

I sent it to the one you posted jimjams.

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 19/05/2006 15:02

oh thanks kr....

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Saker · 19/05/2006 15:02

And that's a bloody patronising response "but when they touch on such emotive or controversial subjects inevitably some readers can find them hard to bear."

like it's all too much for our pretty little heads Angry.

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 19/05/2006 15:04

It's a stupid response as well, because how can children be included in the latest figures (which figures anyway? I thought a big complaint was that bugger all info is being kept on figures- LEAs keep being surprised by the numbers of ASD children), with no formal diagnosis?

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2mum · 19/05/2006 15:52

I havent read the whole article, im sickened to be honest. We all love our kids who have Autism and my son got diagnosed in Feb and i still havent put in for dla yet (ive got the forms though). Im just not looking forward to filling in the forms. How can that numbnut katie grant think we are all only interested about the money when what we really want is for our kids to have a normal and hassel free life as possible. I wish they would sack her. She disgusts me.

katierocket · 19/05/2006 17:41

I thought it was a complete 'fob off' response.