Gove does it again....

[StarlightMcKenzie]

and so does the Daily Mail

Main Board discussion here

Exactly. The one poster works in reception class, states one child is of particular concern, but it's almost November now. No referring to senco?? Just a mention at parents evening to the parents and no follow up? And then she states that "Even now I feel some things are too late for some of these children."

Apparently at the age of 4, there's no point in helping, then? Even though most SNs haven't even been assessed yet....

Well my son was "written off at 6" so that doesn't suprise me.

He's currently learning to play "Country Boy can survive" on his guitar, (the one he played at the last Xmas concert).

I have just finished reading that hideous thread...

My Ds7 has a dx of ASD &ADHD. I have 5 dc. Like another poster pointed out,posrcodes are important. I've ended up living in a very poor area...think riots!!

I couldn't get the anyone to help but eventually due to my legal back ground&ability to 'use' the system i got ds diagnosed at GOSH. He now attends an independent AS school,funded by our LEA.

The people who think its all down to inefficient parenting forget ASD/ADHD/GDD/SN generally, isn't class/socio economic specific but often how you&your child manage or utilise the inept &frustrating systems we are forced to use is...

Scary poster just jumped in. Shoukd we invite her over here. She might be able to help/learn?

oh please do.

I have read the whole thread now and it quite frankly has made me pissed off to the hilt.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9631820/Benefits-encourage-problem-families-says-Iain-Duncan-Smith.html

So provide the services that mean I can go back to paying 40% tax IDS. I'm sick of existing rather than being able to provide the little things that all DS's mates take for granted.

Thats it exactly bochead provide positive services and help those that need it.

If they cared enough to just spend on that then the overall outcome would be more parents who could be employed therefore shut IDS up once and for all and cut the benefits payouts considerably without hanging those that are allready in a dire state. More taxpayers for their coffers to aid more services and support.

But they have to care.....

Gove is one of the best people to have come into the field of education for years. I love him. He speaks a huge amount of sense and drives fear into the hearts of teaching unions because he (God forbid!) doesn't automatically assume every teacher is a hybrid angel/genius pedagogue.

Instead of taking his words as a personal attack you should stop and consider what it is he is really saying. He is trying to get rid of the culture of learned helplessness and low expectancy which is rampant in the SEN industry. With effective teaching and meaningful early intervention (which does not equate to employing even more people to carry clipboards, sit in meetings and 'raise awareness') things could be very different.

The culture is changing dramatically and people in the public sector (like me) are being held to account and asks to come up with solid evidence that what we do has a real impacty.
If it doesn't, why on earth shoudl the tax payer keep on funding it?

It transpires that Gove didn't actually say what the DM are saying he did.

I'm all for a radical shake up of the status quo but how does that equate to blaming parents?

If Gove is as you say, Moondog, would he respond to a MN lobbying group do you think?

I was far more upset by the Mumsnet responses - especially from those claiming to work with kids than Gove on that thread.

Lets go straight to the organ grinder 'cos confidently declaring it's too late for a four year old makes me wish bad things upon her Grandkids, to shake her out of her complacency (- which is utterly horrid of me, and yes I am ashamed of myself for the sentiment). Thought I'd heard it all till I heard that.

Tbh the thread didn't upset me any more than I am already upset about this topic.

I wasn't surprised or shocked by anything said. Can anyone honestly say they were?

Rather glad I haven't seen this thread....:(

A lobbying group must be highly organised and have a very clear agenda.
Moreover, peopel want a solution, not a rehash of the problem.Gove is giving peopel an opportunity to be the solution, in the form of free schools.
As I have said many times, I would swim through a sewer to either work in or have my children in a free school free from the crucifyingly meaningless box ticking, responsibility shirking, paper shuffling, patronisingly nodding culture that is endemic.

I come across kids with huge potential every single day who are quite literally shafted from the start because despite all the money and the meetings and the paper, precisely fuck all of worth is in place for them.

Gove is a hero.

I wasn't shocked by what was said in the thread as tbh it's the norm I was receiving in ds education anyway. It just confirmed there are more teachers etc that are the same and have a very blinkered view and opinion. Depressing but not shocking or unexpected.

But what is so special about the free schools that will make appropriate support happen there? Surely the intention to run them like businesses means refusing to accept less than perfect 'raw material' in the first place?

Well he failed me when I needed help and asked on behalf of other children and Cornwall to investigate one of his so called academies, their rulings and their treatment of children.

So I suppose I am bitter towards him and not the best judge.

Good God Star, have you fallen completely for lefty hysteria?
A free school can be for anyone it chooses to be, such as the Lighthouse School for children with ASD which uses ABA.

Some schools may be selctive and it works both ways. The Lighthouse school is selective. What is more important to you? That your child gets the education appropriate to their needs or that, because of blind adherence to some utterly unworkable principal of 'equality' your child gets shoved into any old school because the foamers insist he has a right to be wherever you want him to be?

Moondog, I can see how it works wrt special schools, but not so much for mainstream.

DS attends an independent school. Their freedom to actually get on with the job is what makes it work for him. I suspect too that the free school agenda will also make it possible for parents of children with SEN to come together and bring in experts in a much more specified way.

But I really honestly don't understand how it will work for mainstream schools and for inclusion.

People have a choice and choice is good. It will not be dependent on how much money you have. It will mean zero tolerance of disruptive behaviour and a real chance for children for deprived homes to learn in peace and with proper structure in place.

Not every school will be right for every child.
Not every school is right for every child now but people have to maintain the ludicrous Stalinesque masquerade that everywhere is right for everyone.

Utterly loathsome.
We need to grow a pair and start prioritising children's needs above those of the politically correct.

we have a free school opened recently near us. A number of SN parents i know are viewing it as a serious option.
Low pupil no's, small class sizes, great structure, disclipline etc. A good option for those with mild/moderate needs who would benfiit from high level of pastoral care, free of LEA b*llocks
Actually they are clear that their aim is high academic standards i'm not sure if they realised just how much interst it would generate from those looking for good SEN provision

However it depends entirely on the "ethos" of the individual free school & which identified gap they are filling.

There are a number of groups looking to set up ASD specific schools under the free school banner.

Its no different to any school, free school or LEA controlled you must assess the school against the invidiual needs of the child.