many thanks to mums on here and one at my sons special school who recomended we use the collis curve toothbrushes, ive had to force . hold him and brush them for him and nag for years as ds said he hated the way it felt when he brused and the noise in his head it makes, so i ordered a brush , dh moaned as with P&P it was £10 he didnt think it would make any difference but it has, ive asked him brush his teeth and he does it only takes about 30 seconds and does them fantastic much cleaner than before and no fuss, thanks MN x