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To cancel birthday party for DS 14?

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arcticpandas · 04/02/2025 12:30

Had a call from school. He has insulted another girl in his class several times apparantly. Think another word for prostitute. I am so angry, sad and disappointed in him. He's autistic so I make a lot of allowances for his weird behaviour but this is something else. He knows damn well what it means and that he can never say that word to anyone no matter how triggered he gets. I'm sure he'll come home telling me that she started it but I couldn't care less. He is so out of line that I think I will cancel his birthday party next week. AIBU ?

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arcticpandas · 04/02/2025 19:21

She wasn't punished because he gave no reason to school for why he called her names. His reaction when talked to for something he has done is to clam up so he's useless defending/explaining himself. I did send a mail to school to give his version. It goes without saying that just because he had (in his opinion a valid) reason it doesn't make things better. But I prefer that it came from a place of anger and hurt rather than just him being an asshole. We had some problems before with him repeating racist jokes non-stop (he can repeat the same thing 100 times if he finds it funny) besides the fact that his only 2 friends are non white! There is some serious lacking of understanding and being able to see things from another person's perspective and besides all the efforts I put in (and numerous psychologists and psychiatrists) he is clearly lacking in comprehension. If he sees someone cry he will show empathy and try to help that person but it stops there. Sorry, probably not making much sense. Thank you again, it has helped to just verbalise. I feel such a deep shame for his behaviour that I can't tell my friends.

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Lyn348 · 04/02/2025 20:03

Personally I just have huge sympathy for him because I have a young adult with ASD myself. He's lashed out by repeating a horrible word that everyone at his school uses because he's been horribly mocked - from an autistic perspective why is it ok for everyone else to use that word but not him? The girls ablism is at least as bad as his misogyny - and she started it. You say he said it to his friends, did they tell her? If so he's already feeling attacked by his friends, not to mention by the girl, also by school because he hasn't been able to defend himself - this is a kid who needs someone on his side, and that person needs to be you.

IMO opinion writing a letter is an absolutely terrible idea, that is just asking for him to be further humiliated. Do you think this nasty girl who took the piss out of him being autistic is going to appreciate the letter? Do you think she's going to suddenly develop empathy and start being nice because he's apologised. No of course not, she's probably a nasty kid who will laugh at the letter, show it around to all her friends and use it as more ammunition to humiliate him. I cannot imagine any worse idea that this for your poor kid.

Cancelling his party next week is the next worst thing you could do. This is a kid that probably struggles terribly socially, has just been mocked for his disability and you want to cancel his party? That is madness. Talk to him gently about using this word, be clear it's not ok and that some silly girl is not worth him getting into trouble for. Be clear about him not using it again and how he can handle it differently if something like this happens again. He needs support now, I expect he was terribly upset by what happened and I personally don't blame him one bit for lashing out in return.

He has ASD, he can't put himself in someone else's shoes and his emotional maturity is years below his age. You need to take a different tack with this kid, understand where he is coming from. IME it is not unusual at all for a kid with ASD to think that because someone else says or does something that that makes it ok. With the racist jokes he may have heard someone tell them and other people laughed - and that's what he learnt, if I say this people will laugh and think I'm funny and like me. He might not even understand the joke (I don't know) but people think it's funny so he's saying it to make people laugh and he can't see beyond that.

Please don't feel ashamed of him, just spend a lot of time reading and researching autistic behaviour and why he might behave the way he behaves. He needs you really badly OP because secondary school is probably a really, really tough place for him. Concentrate on other ways for him to handle things which will help him in the future rather than focusing on punishing him which will just reduce his (probably already rock bottom) self esteem. Role playing examples and going over and over and over it may be really helpful to him.

mathanxiety · 04/02/2025 20:33

CaptainFuture · 04/02/2025 17:26

I have read all messages and thank you all. His explanation: she said to some friends that I was autistic so I said to friends she was a €%%

So was she using as an insult to him?

He is apparently well aware that the word he used is a gendered insult, if he thought it appropriate when he felt insulted, by a girl.

This says to me that he's operating at a level higher than calling people "poopy pants", even when stressed.

Haveyouanyjam · 04/02/2025 20:40

OP - are there any networks in your area/school for parents of children with SEN? You shouldn’t feel so ashamed of his behaviour that you can’t talk to friends, but maybe other parents who have similar challenges will be helpful?

Definitely don’t cancel the party. Explore the meaning of the word itself and his attitude toward women. She said something discriminatory and so did he, both are wrong and don’t excuse the other.

If he does write an apology I would help him to write it, explain why he was upset, that it is ableist to put someone down for being ASD but that doesn’t justify him responding with a misogynistic slur.

CaptainFuture · 04/02/2025 20:51

mathanxiety · 04/02/2025 20:33

He is apparently well aware that the word he used is a gendered insult, if he thought it appropriate when he felt insulted, by a girl.

This says to me that he's operating at a level higher than calling people "poopy pants", even when stressed.

I meant to query if it was being used as an Insult, or was it being mentioned as a factual statement.

mathanxiety · 04/02/2025 21:25

I wonder about that too.

LoremIpsumCici · 05/02/2025 11:30

arcticpandas · 04/02/2025 16:14

I have read all messages and thank you all. His explanation: she said to some friends that I was autistic so I said to friends she was a €%%. Tit for a tat in his world. It is deeply hurtful when people use "autistic" as an insult. Also, they know he's different in school but not the diagnosis. I understand he was hurt and angry, I told him that. But he should have talked to an adult about this and not calling this girl names (not to her face but several times to his "friends").

He knows what %&& means but it's a word very frequently used in his school unfortunately. To get him to write a paper on misogynistic tendancies as someone suggested will not help. He's not following the program because he doesn't have the capacity (intellectual) to do so. He's mostly in sen class but sometimes with his peers for non academic subjects. He will be writing a letter of excuse to the girl. He hates writing so this will be hard for him. He's excluded one day from school but it's not a punishment for him so I want to punish him at home. He really doesn't realise that it's a despicable thing to say " everybody say that when they are angry in school". It's true, I have heard how they speak in his school, it's grim. But I don't want him to speak like that just because others are. I will think about appropriate punishment. He cried like a baby when I confronted him and that's the problem: he's so immature. He's not into girls at all and is pretty much like a 7 year old maturity wise. He will soon go into fulltime Sen which I think will be better for him. Thank you all for your comments. I will take try to calm down and think some more about this...

So you’re going to punish a teen with the capacity of a 7yr old for saying something that teenagers say and get away with daily at his school? Forget about giving him allowances for being disabled, you are holding him to a higher standard than more mature, abled kids are being held to.

I would not be punishing him, I would be going to the school and challenging them on punishing a disabled child with the maturity of a 7yr old for saying a word that all the other kids say daily and they get zero punishment for.

LoremIpsumCici · 05/02/2025 11:32

I think that him writing a letter of apology may open the gates to humiliation if she flaunts it around and shows it to her friends etc. A verbal apology is good enough to avoid anyone else antagonising him.

I agree, especially since the girl started the tit for tat and also owes him an apology.

LoremIpsumCici · 05/02/2025 11:34

Personally I just have huge sympathy for him because I have a young adult with ASD myself. He's lashed out by repeating a horrible word that everyone at his school uses because he's been horribly mocked - from an autistic perspective why is it ok for everyone else to use that word but not him? The girls ablism is at least as bad as his misogyny - and she started it. You say he said it to his friends, did they tell her? If so he's already feeling attacked by his friends, not to mention by the girl, also by school because he hasn't been able to defend himself - this is a kid who needs someone on his side, and that person needs to be you.

^This!

LoremIpsumCici · 05/02/2025 11:36

mathanxiety · 04/02/2025 20:33

He is apparently well aware that the word he used is a gendered insult, if he thought it appropriate when he felt insulted, by a girl.

This says to me that he's operating at a level higher than calling people "poopy pants", even when stressed.

Hmm so parrots are operating at a higher level then when they repeat one insult and not another?

UnbeatenMum · 05/02/2025 12:26

I wonder if everyone saying cancel the party would have responded the same way if they had known he's autistic with LDs, the emotional age of a 7yo and heading for a specialist school. Because it really doesn't sound like he has a good understanding of what the word means or why it's offensive, he's just repeating an insult that he's heard others say. Cancelling his birthday is definitely not proportionate here.

arcticpandas · 05/02/2025 14:09

Thank you all. I will not cancel his party and won't make him write a letter which as you said, will probably be used against him.
As @Lyn348 said:IME it is not unusual at all for a kid with ASD to think that because someone else says or does something that that makes it ok
Exactly this. When I tell him that something is not appropriate he's always confused and says this.
I think he will be better in special school even though his iq is higher than those who attend, his social competence, or lack thereof will make him fit in and feel at home. And I have met the students there: sweethearts, they are all very earnest and innocent besides the age group 14-18 and they don't use foul language.

Thank you so much! ❤️

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Not2identifying · 05/02/2025 16:08

OP, I think you've made a good decision and I agree with what @Lyn348 wrote as well. I hope it works out for him at his new school.

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