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What does ‘sleeping through’ actually mean? Waking for feeds?

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user1499609760 · 31/05/2024 08:23

There’s so much talk about ‘sleeping through the night’ for babies, the kind of holy grail. However, am I correct in thinking that many babies will still wake for a feed or two, even if they’re sleeping 7pm - 7am for example? I had always assumed that ‘sleeping through’ meant no wake ups, but I’ve since heard differently and admit that I’m struggling to see how that is ‘sleeping through’.

The context for this is we’re wondering whether to implement some kind of sleep training, or at least some changes for our 18 week old. We think we’re in the 4-month regression, though so far it hasn’t been too awful.

LO will generally head up to bed around 9, and fall asleep between 9.30 and 10.30, depending on the night. Routine of nappy change, pyjamas, final (bottle) feed of expressed milk/formula. Bath some nights, around 8 - 8.30. Sometimes DD will fall asleep very quickly after the feed with very little input from us aside from holding; sometimes more rocking/shushing is needed. Generally we put down in the crib about 10 minutes after she is asleep.

In the last few weeks we’ve had some ‘false starts’ where we put DD down in the crib but she wone either immediately or very soon after. We have generally managed to resettle with some rocking etc. Some nights she’s needed A LOT of settling before even attempting to put her down - generally rocking & shushing - which we think is probably the 4-month regression. So recently it’s sometimes been more towards 11 that she’s actually asleep.

Then she generally wakes anytime between 3 and 4.30, feeds, and goes back to sleep. Sometimes it’s easier/quicker than others. Last night for example she was awake at 4.30 and asleep again at 5. Other nights, it can be 1 hour+ to feed & settle her. So she can sleep for up to 6 hours in one go, some nights more like 4-5.

Generally, she’s awake again between 7 and 7.30.

We’d like that she starts going to bed a bit earlier, so we have more of an evening. We generally go up to bed with her at the moment. We’d also like that she learns how to fall asleep herself, so it doesn’t need the rocking/shushing from us. And eventually of course we would like that she sleeps for longer & longer stretches at once.

I think she is learning to self settle to some extent: I’ve been hearing her in the night thrashing around, sometimes even letting out a little cry or two, but she seems to settle back down and presumably either go back to, or stay, asleep.

The sleep method my DH likes the look of is a kind of modified Ferber/TakingCaraBabies, putting her down awake & then checking in at intervals that gradually increase. It’s only for the initial put-down, and any wakes before midnight, after which it suggests feeding to sleep is ok.

My concerns are, if she starts going to bed much earlier, will she not also wake a few times for feeding? In which case, from my point of view, is the system we currently have, with essentially one wake up from a later bedtime, worth sticking with? I can cope at the moment with going to bed with her between 9-10.30, dealing with one wake up, then back to sleep until 7ish. But if she was waking at say 1am and then again at 5ish for a feed, is that better or worse for me…?

Or maybe we should be working to gradually bring bedtime a bit earlier, maybe 8pm, and allow her to hopefully lengthen her sleep stretches that way?
I’m also happy with her waking around 7/7.30, and have read that a common issue with sleep training is that it can result in very early wake ups, which I’d want to avoid if possible.

But, we do want to try help her fall asleep independently…! So confused by it all really.

It seems to me that sleep training and the ‘sleeping through the night’ idea doesn’t really mention wakes for feeding and managing those from the parental perspective. I’m sure some babies do sleep 7 - 7 without any wake ups, but I’m not sure whether our 4-month old is really ready for that physiologically.

Any advice or perspectives welcome. Sorry for the essay!

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LittleBearPad · 31/05/2024 08:32

Sleeping through means not waking for feeds but that’s neither here nor there really. Many 4 month olds don’t sleep through the night. She’ll get there.

Bobbybobbins · 31/05/2024 08:37

Both of mine didn't consistently sleep through without feeds til 18 months but from 7/8 months were 'just' waking for feeds then going straight back to sleep.

Usernamewassavedsuccessfully · 31/05/2024 08:40

Babies absolutely can sleep through, but it's more luck than judgement if they do. Mine was 7-7 from about 2 months (bar the 4m regression which was my first post on here nearly 20 y ago).

SpringerFall · 31/05/2024 08:44

Well to me sleeping through means going to bed on a night and waking up at a normal morning time, my baby slept 12 hours on a night, so to me that is sleeping through

If they woke for a feed that would not be sleeping through

Iwant2beJessicaFletcher · 31/05/2024 08:45

DC1 slept 7-7 from 12 weeks old, with no wake ups for feeding. Dream baby.

DC2 slept 7-7 with no feeds or wake ups from 16 weeks.

DC3 is now 6 and still doesn't consistently sleep through the night!! It's very hit & miss & we rarely get 7 nights in a row that they dont wake up at some point & call for us. Its completely knackering.

They are all different & hopefully get there in the end 🤞

Puffalicious · 31/05/2024 08:46

Sleeping through is Sleeping through with no wake-ups. ie.DS1 7-7 from 10 weeks.

Like PP has said, it's mainly luck. DS2 was a twice nightly waker until he was 10 months in his own room.

Don't stress, they'll get there. I'm not a fan of any kind of controlled crying. Tried with DS3- disaster, & I don't think it's good for attachment.

Bringonthesunforthewashing · 31/05/2024 08:47

I have 3, all slept through from 3 months 7-7 (2 of which are twins).

My best advice I could ever pass on is no napping after 4pm, they only need a couple of minutes and the 7 to bed won’t happen.

Always and I mean always, bath, bottle/boob, bed.

If we ever missed a bath they always had a bad nights sleep.

TeeBagGer · 31/05/2024 08:49

Sleeping through the night means no waking for at least 8 hours so you can get an uninterrupted night sleep.

Mine was about two and a half when that happened (years, not months!)

Seeline · 31/05/2024 08:50

At 18;weeks it is entirely normal to be waking for feeds every 4hours, and taking a while to settle.

Earlier bedtimes don't really work until 6months, unless you sit in the room with them to keep with SIDS safe sleep guidelines.

They are still very little at 18 weeks and it is entirely normal for babies to need physical comfort to sleep/go to sleep.

One of mine bagan sleeping through at around 8 months, the other was around 18 months, but then started the day at 5.30 am for a couple of years.

missmousemouth · 31/05/2024 08:51

The first night they sleep through you will wake up, panic, and rush through to their room to check they're ok. But you may be a while away from that yet. It will happen though.

Topseyt123 · 31/05/2024 09:25

Sleeping through the night means sleeping through with no waking at all.

Mine all slept through from no later than 12 weeks. Around 8pm to 7am.

BananaPeanutToast · 31/05/2024 09:35

What’s ‘The Four Month Regression’ you keep talking about? I’ve had three and never heard this spoken about as if it’s A Thing. Is it part of that ‘leaps’ business that has no evidence base?

My experience from my own battles with kids sleep is it’s less about what you do and more about how they’re made. I remember feeling really stressed that a few baby group friends were so smug about their babies sleeping through 7-7 from two months while mine woke hourly. We were doing exactly the same thing. My second child was a good sleeper while they subsequently had worse (average) or absolutely shit sleepers.

It’s all trial and error and development so just give it a go and see what happens.

LiterallyOnFire · 31/05/2024 09:39

Parents of babies wouldn't get so excited about it if it meant waking for feeds!

You'll get there. It usually happens quite suddenly.

Emotionalsupporthamster · 31/05/2024 09:40

Please don’t sleep train an 18 week old. Honestly it sounds like you’ve got it really good. At that stage I was lucky with mine if they stayed asleep a full hour at a time. Just give her the feeds and cuddles she needs and she’ll get there.

Myblindsaredown · 31/05/2024 09:43

Sleeping through is exactly what it says. She sleeps through the night. Is she in your room? I guess so at this age, but you can use a breathing monitor you don’t need to go to bed at rhe same time,

user1499609760 · 31/05/2024 09:44

Interesting. As I’ve seen a lot of ‘my baby does 7 - 7’, but then at some point it’s mentioned that there is a dream feed at midnight, and/or a wake up at 4 or similar for a feed. Which I would have said is not really sleeping through?

I hope she will get there, and the signs are hopefully good in that she can do long-ish stretches. I guess I’m wondering how we can help her to even longer stretches.

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Marblessolveeverything · 31/05/2024 09:49

It is highly unlikely that any form of sleep training will work on a child who requires food every four hours, it doesn't make biological sense.

Children sleep through when they have the capacity to take all they need during their wake windows. I also going our extended family reckon there is a lot of luck and good fortune involved.

My sons were born big, emptied big bottles very early and conked out for ten hours pretty much from birth, scared the life out of me. But they were 10lbs and just under.

Depending on your little ones weight, eating habits etc then it really is luck.

TheFormidableMrsC · 31/05/2024 09:51

Sleeping through for me is not waking for feeds. My eldest stopped waking at around 4 months and started sleeping 12 hours straight. My youngest was 2.5 (but a different set of issues as he is ND).

MigGirl · 31/05/2024 09:51

Sleeping through, contrary to what everyone has already said is actually defined as a baby having a 5 hour uninterrupted block of sleep at night. Babies are certainly not designed to sleep for 12 hours in one block without a feed at lest not when they are very little and you will get very few who will do this without some form of sleep traning (even if it's unintentional).

We where lucky in that DS would do 8 hours from around 4 weeks. But DD would wake every 4 hours and did that for over a year.

It's upto you where you want that long block of sleep to be, after having a baby who woke regularly. We actually kept DS down stairs with us to start with so that 8 hours was from when we went to bed and everyone then got a better night sleep. Putting them down at 7-8pm can often mean they wake at 1-2am and you get woken up in the middle of the night. Once he got to about six months we transitioned him to going to bed earlier and sleeping on his own. He just got the rest of his sleep in naps during the day and was far easier then the nightmare I had of the non sleeping first baby.

Who actually when I look at her sleep patterns she was just going to bed early and waking twice in the night, but then hardly napping in the day. So just trying to force all the sleep between 7-7 was not helpful.

Littlebitofsomething · 31/05/2024 09:52

How long is she napping during the day and when?

If you make sure she's having her last sleep of the day by 4pm and only for half an hour, it may be possible to bring her bedtime forward. Yes you would then be giving her a dream feed at 11-12 and might initially have two night wakenings although if she's feeding well during the day she doesn't actually need them. If you make the second night wakening feed as small as you possibly can and then get her up at 7am for a full feed, you stand a better chance of getting all the food she needs during day time hours and getting her longest naps done long before late afternoon.

SnapdragonToadflax · 31/05/2024 09:54

I think 7-7 at four months would be very unusual. Some babies will, but not the majority by a long way. I also wouldn't do sleep training on a baby, you just have to respond to their needs.

Mine usually settled for sleep around 9pm, and in the early days woke at 1am-ish and 4am-ish for a feed. Gradually the 1am feed was dropped, and the 4am feed extended so it became 5am, then 6am. That was when I felt like he was sleeping through. He's never gone to sleep before 8pm, but rarely woke before 7am once he was past the baby stage.

He slept through fairly early, but it all went to shit when he started teething at five months 🤷🤦

Littlebitofsomething · 31/05/2024 09:56

Then you drop the second feed which is probably habit by offering water (unless of course she is genuinely hungry).

She's too little for mind games. It's all about the food and sleep at this point. If you are feeding to sleep, I suggest stopping as it sabotages her ability to self soothe. I would still be swaddling at this age as well.

OMGsamesame · 31/05/2024 09:56

Medically "sleeping through the night" means a stretch of 5 hours.

I realised that a lot of the mums in my NCT said "sleeping through the night " when they meant "Wakes to feed then goes back down". Though a few of them now have babies that genuinely sleep 8-7 ish. (At least one of those naps vert little if at all.

NowYouSee · 31/05/2024 10:07

I’m very much no hippy but honestly the idea of cry it out sleep training on a 4 month is well outside of my appetite.

I would take a big step back here and assess - you’ve got lots going for you here. Many many parents have it far worse than you here. Yes you’d like her to go to sleep earlier but she is feeding once in the night and sleeping to a decent hour. The thing I would concentrate on is getting her to go to sleep a bit earlier gradually and going down awake or drowsy but personally I would stay with her whilst she does and comfort her immediately if upset.

Babies who sleep 7-7 without waking up at her age exist but are rare.

user1499609760 · 31/05/2024 10:08

Thanks everyone for the insight.

Napwise, she’s still a little all over the place albeit some kind of pattern is emerging. She will often nap around 10, then again at lunchtime, then in the afternoon. Sometimes a little catnap in the evening, say 7ish. Which is probably why she’s then happy to go to bed around 9-10. Some days naps will be 1-2 hours, other days 30 minutes 🤷‍♀️ the biggest issue there is that she’ll only do a longer nap if held. Once down in the crib, she tends to wake anywhere from 20-40 minutes later. We have found that previously good ways of having her nap, like the pram or sling, are less effective now, she’ll often only do 30-40 minutes there.

@BananaPeanutToast this might help explain it: https://www.sleepfoundation.org/baby-sleep/4-month-sleep-regression

4-Month Sleep Regression

Has your 4-month-old’s sleep taken a step backward? Learn more about the 4-month sleep regressions and steps to help your baby sleep better.

https://www.sleepfoundation.org/baby-sleep/4-month-sleep-regression

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