SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK PART 8 -- Pack the bags under your eyes and join us!

[RoRoMommy]

Well...I had to think of something! DH's suggestion "Eyes wide shut--the art of sleepwalking"

csb - i agree, i feel i've got the best of both worlds, near enough, but having my own space.....i have been known to shove her back over to 'her side' when she's dropped back off, if i want my space back

cant find book, aaaarrrrghhhh, bet i dropped it in town somewhere, bs, oh well, will have to fess up to the library

hey all,

honestly cant remember our night last night as i didn't get to bed til 1 , busy decorating and then tidying up for internal photos to be taken today. still its all done, untill we get viewings, wtf do i do with kids toys? lol

anyway about our night, i know it was an early 5am start, nice!

RoRo - did you have another good stretch?

Tibs: did you take it out on a children's card? Ring the Library: you may find they have an amnesty for lost/destroyed children's books. Also, if you did drop it some kind person might have handed it in.

thanks EP, yep, it was one of dd's. dont think they charge for damaged or misplaced childrens books, but i dont like not handing them back will pop in tomorrow. hopefully, a good samaritan has handed it in

beal good luck with the house selling

CM, for your night and EP for the vomitathon.

for those of you with good ones

I had a relapse last night and back to feeling awful. I'm OK during the day but it's this time of the day and the night I'm suffering. EP I too went to the Dr and they gave me AB. It's obviously a strong strain if it can pass through cyber space.

Well must dash, gotta make dinner. DH just got in.

Wishing you good nights all

am gatecrashing, i dont really know where else to go to moan anymore, i think the whole of my family, friends and DH are totally fed up with me - so here goes...

My DS is 8 months, he has never slept the night, i have had a few nights where he has slept 6 hours but they were few and far between....its getting to the point where all i do is cry, i look forward to going to bed as i am totally knackered but at the same time i dread it, i know that within an hiur of me going he will wake up.. theres not really any routine of his no sleeping, it varies all the time, he seems to have a good chunk from bedtime ( 7oclock, after a bath and quiet time) till about 11 ( sometimes its 1, sometimes, rarely, its 2)then he wakes up and will not go back to sleep, have tried the CC ( over a weeks period) have given water in case of thirst, i make sure hes not dirty ( all in a dim light no talking etc) What normally happens is that, he will go back to sleep after about half an hour of cryng and moaning, then he wakes every hour or so till i feed him at 7am.... its killing me.

Then about 930 he is soooo grumpy and tired, i put him down and he can sleep for a 2 hour stretch.. so then its lunch time and then after a coupl of hours he then gets tired and grumpy and can go back to bed for a further two hours....

Its like he has no night or day, but its one continuous round of a few hours sleep followed by a few hours up.....24/7

I follow a routine for bed time, the same thing every night, i get out in the daytime as much as possible, i keep night time quite and dim.....

The HV says i should let him sleep as much as he wants in the day, but then i feel like its affecting the quality of his night time sleep..

He had bad reflux from newborn and was on a whole heap of medicines. The doc said giving him a dummy was helpful as it helped produce more saliva to keep his acid down, now hes totally dependant on it....

I also have a 22 months old and am currently 51/2 months pregnant with number 3....its a bit tough. What with the sleep that he needs and my DD nap after lunch, i am starting to feel a bit housebound...

Any thoughts ideas, suggestions, comparisons, advice.... all very welcome
Be as tough as you like, i am prepared to do anything

Good God Jaysgirl. It's not toughness you need but a good sit down. What an absolute handful you've got, not suprised you're shattered. Makes us look amateurs in comparison. Don't have much time to respond right now but soemone will be along soon I'm sure. Have you considered teeth as a possiblility? Have you tried milk to settle him? And two two hr day time naps seem normal at that age.

I really can't offer much help Jaysthird, as I'm relatively new to this enforced insomnia lark, but I just wanted to give you a round of applause for coping so well!

You are definitely in the right place - these guys are pros! And like they always say, it will get better. Promise!

I've read the posts, but my brain is so dead I can't remember specifics. I know there's lots of sicknesses going around and I'm really sorry for that. I hope you all feel better.

It's depressing that I don't have ten minutes to spend with my mn friends!

Miss you guys! Look after yourselves and hopefully I'll be back to my posting-est self soon.

Kisses to LOs, hugs to yous!

Jaysthird welcome and hope we can be some support (even with no easy answers!).

First of all a massive well done for coping with two so young and being pg... you deserve a medal for even being able to type straight .

I have a 9mo with a pattern not so dissimilar to yours (he was doing better but then got ill so it's all gone up the spout again). I have noticed that if he has more than 2.5-3 hours' sleep in the day then he's more awake in the night, so I restrict his naps accordingly and he seems to cope OK. I know if he had 4 hours' sleep in the day then his night-time sleep would suffer... but of course all babies are different.

Also I am still feeding 1-2 times a night, I know the 'books' say they don't need it but try telling my DS that! 8/9mo is still pretty young to be going through without a feed imo. Does it make any difference if you feed him in the night?

morning

welcome jaysthird and big (((hugs))) i am a bit sleepy atm, but will think if theres anything i can think of.

hi all

hope there were some good nights to be had...
well, we had a horrid bedtime. dd screamed when i tried to give her meds for her teeth and i felt awful
bed at 8pm
woke at 4.30 - 5.45am not really crying, but just awake
still asleep now (wish i was )
feel like poo..... got to get ds's brekkie....must have coffee

tibs - for the 4:30am, i was there with you hun. DS2 aslept from 7 till 12, then was up at 4 til 5, just playing and generally giggling to himself, would've been cute at any other time of day! got him back off at 5, only to have disturbed ds1 and he was then up and ready for the day! fun!

Jaysbird - big welcome lovely! you're defintely in the right place if you want to have a moan, we all do it, and not even to do with dc half the time!

the only thing i can think off atm is that they say babies have to have good quality sleep in the day to ensure a good nights sleep, not sure how it works. have you tried just giving on really long nap in the day instead. my ds2 is almost 9m, he's suddenly got himself into one sleep and (apart from the relapse last nigth) has been going from 7 til 6, only waking at 4 for his dummy.
On the dummy front i know exactly what you mean about them becoming dependent mine really is, except i made things worse by giving him bonjela whilst he was teething and then found it was a really good way of getting him to suck himself back off as he obviously liked the taste, so niow he has to have it everytime i put him to bed

thats about all i can think of at 8 in the morning but i'll have another think and come back. do you know what you're having with dc3?

terrrible night..see i can t even spell anymore sleep at 7.30 woke at 12,1,2,3,then couldnt settle him back so brought him to bed wher we kept each other awake till dawn!! fidgeting and generally restless and hungry ..anyway i think the problem was he couldnt do a pooh which eventually exploded this morning !!! i feel as though ive got a massive hangover and i didnt even have the fun the night before !1

Good morning.

DH snored all night long.

I hate DH.

Going to work.

Tibs, sorry your DD was unhappy...Meg, things will surely get better...Beal, sorry you've had a rough one, lovey. Jays, I still haven't been able to open my eyes wide enough to read your post! But I will....

Miss you all (((hugs)))

beal for your restless lo's too. hope you have a good day today to make up for it

bambi that was a bad night. i woke up feeling sicky and muzzy headed too. youre right, it is unfair when we havent even indulged...hope you get a break today

roro lol at your post. sorry was just the way you wrote it. we used to have a lovely poster (xcupcakemummy) whose posts were like haikus. always mademe smile....(((hugs))) we'll miss you too x

Good morning and for the restless babies out there.

Our night was better (hooray). Still restless in the evening but settled down after Medised at 10.30, woke 1 (fed), 5 (fed) then 7.30 for the day. He stayed in the cot all night so DH snuck back up from the sofa at 5, then kept me awake by snoring

Tam/Tibs/EP/Ginger, what age did your LOs go down to one nap? He has been a bit tricky to settle for his morning nap for a few days (seems too awake), am wondering if he could just do one long one, though I thought 9mo would be too early? But then it seems Beal's LO has made the change...

Amber your DS is still on two naps, isn't he?

Morning all and thanks for the welcome!

shit night again....bed at 7, settled well but then woke at 9 for a half hour scream-a-thon i left him to it after i checked to see he was ok, then as we went to bed (11ish) same thing again....then we managed till 230 then it was 430 then 5 6 and 7..... so completely broken all night long.
I dont tend to go back in and give him his dummy anymore, its clipped on to the side of his grobag and he finds it, sometimes, other times he just cries to sleep.

Ginger, i had thioguht about the teething issues, he has two bottom but nothing else coming through yet, plus hes ALWASY been like this so its not like hes just kicked off with it....

Megbusset, feeding him makes no difference, i was giving him a bottle before we went to bed, to see if that helped him through (in case he was waking for hunger) but that did nothing, so then i tried giving him a small bottle ( 2-3 ozs) earling mornig when he woke, but that did nothing either, in some ways i felt it disturbed him more.... so now if it gets really bad i just offer him some boiled water, which he seldom takes more of a few gulps of... He eats a fair bit during the day and still has three sometimes four bottles, so am sure its not hunger.

Bealcain, re the one long nap... up till about four weeks ago, he was only having a quick 30 mins in the morning and i had got him into having 2-212 hours after lunch, at the same time as DD, and that worked for a while, but like i said, hes gotton so tired that i just cant put off the mornig sleep, or else he screams blue murder!
As for knowing the sex of DC3 we -rather i, decided to keep it as a suprise, i found out with the other two, and this is my last so i wanted it to be different.... god DONT let it be another DS like Jensen!!!!

Sorry to all those others who had really shit nights, i know what you mean abiut feeling like you have a hangover, i wake with a fricking headache most days, its the worst feeling in the world
Its nice (!!??) to know i am not the only one stressing about this!

Meg, he's still on two naps a day (at 10 1/2 months) and frankly I'm going to cling onto two for a while yet - i need the rest!

some days if he gets up late, say 8.30 or something, goes for a late morning nap, then he won't have a second, but this is fairly rare.

i wouldn't think he's too far off dropping one nap though. my beloved moxie says some babies can have a really tough time fluctuating between one and two naps and being quite miserable in the process.

just trying to catch up on all the posts ... will respond shortly!

Oh dear, is there something in the air. From reading the posts it seems that all the los are unsettled !

Apart from you Meg I'm glad you have escaped. Maybe all RoRos sleepy vibes made it to your house!

Well its el crapo around here as well surprise, surprise.

DH is away and has phoned to say he has tonsilitus. DD and me also have sore throats.

Ds2 woke every 2 - 2.5 hours last night.

I think i have been crying on and off since 5am!!!

Jay you have my sympathies. I don't really know what to suggest. But if you want to do cc I would recommend a book called 'the good sleep guide for you and your baby' by Angela Henderson . i have to say I have got to the point of sleep deprivation where i am seriously considering it. I really don't want to leave DS2 to cry, but he cries when he's in the bed with me anyway and I am starting to feel like i am on the edge of not coping. I need something to change soon.

Right, sounds like we all need a good big cuppa tea and a group hug.

Charliemama you are going through what was for me, the toughest age. The frequent night wakings, not settling, crying even when with you sounds so familiar. Have you got anyone that can come around and give you a hand for a while? Dose yourselves and the other sickys up on medication and please try and take it easy. You might not fancy it but a little walk? A bit of fresh air may do you all some good.

Jaysthird, My DD has settled significantly in the last 4 or 5 months. (she's 14 months) Until that time her sleep was totally unpredictable and I'd go to bed anxious about what the night would bring.
If you've done CC but to no avail have you thought about the opposite approach and co-sleeping? Perhaps he is looking for comfort. Is there anyone that could take the two of them out for a walk in the afternoon to give you a breather? Perhaps they'd both sleep in the buggy and you'd get a bit of a break. Failing that could you all lay down in the afternoon for a nap?

Meg, my DD still has two naps sometimes but it depends on how long for, when etc etc but generally she's sleeping one to two hours during the day. I thought she was dropping a nap at about that age and started a thread on it but it turned out that after a week or so she went back to it although she was never as predictable with naps again.

good idea ginger!!!! i'm always up for a hug me, but can we make mine a coffee please?

charlie youre on a bit of a downer lovely. a bit of fresh air sounds good, although i know its a bit of a struggle when youre battling with low energy. i hope you get a break soon darling. dose yourself and lo's up and rest up when you can x's

meggy - dd just dropped her naps down to 1 about a month or so ago, if i remember correctly she did it herself really and now goes off between 12 - 1pm for 90/120 mins. at first i missed the 1 nap, but now shes sleeping longer in 1 go, i appreciate that. means i get to have my lunch and a sneaky bar of choccie in peace!!
glad your night was better

big hugs to all

and how old is dd now tibs, i can't keep track, they keep getting older? 13 months??

had an alrgiht day today, still only one nap though travelling to my sisters in manchester tomo night, so it should be ok, feed when we get there and he may even sleep through...yea right!

not going tio be able to get on comp tonight so already sending fab sleep vibes your ways! put in an offer today on the house we want, just waiting for an answer, this waiting game is horrid!

hope all had good days

xxx

good luck with the house beal. hope you get it

Jaysthird - poor you! I know how you feel as it was exactly the same with dd1!! I now have dd2 and it is like night and day (excuse the pun)

IMO your HV is wrong - if you let him sleep loads in the day then this will have an impact on how he sleeps at night! What is his routine like during the day? My dd2 sleeps 6.30-6.30 every night. In no way am I being smug because dd1 never did this. She is 8 now and is still a poor sleeper! I have done things drastically different with dd2. But it really (IMO) matter what you do during the day as to how they sleep at night.