SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK PART 8 -- Pack the bags under your eyes and join us!

[RoRoMommy]

Well...I had to think of something! DH's suggestion "Eyes wide shut--the art of sleepwalking"

Morning all!

Beal have you told DF you are pg yet? Also I got married on 6 Sept too (next year will be 5th anniversary )

CSB how was the rest of your night?

Tibsy so for your success, you so deserve it.

Well, our night went like this...

In bed 7.33
Asleep 7.38
Grizzled a couple of times in the night but self-settled within mins
Up at 6am for the day

I went to bed at 9.30 so had 8.5 uninterrupted hours in bed and feel amazing! And rash has gone too

meg - glad rash has gone, have you worked out what it could have been yet?
i told him yesterday evening while he was in bath with kids that i still hadn't come on and i'd bought a test to do in the morning, he aked if i could do it straight awy so i did and obv. was positve. he's rather shocked to say the least. WOW for the sleepthru

meg so so pleased for you. youve done brilliantly. well done little man!!.....ooh, and yay for disappearance of rash

beal i reckon postponing the HM sounds a good idea, you can go for it big stylee on your 1st anniversary without the lo's or bump!!!.....and a huge for your coordinated sleep thru's. well done little men!!!!

I have been pondering what caused the rash and looks like the most likely candidate is red wine (

I remembered that I'd had a similar-ish reaction years and years ago to white wine, could be that I'm allergic to sulphites and that this particular wine has high levels of them (apparently hives is a common reaction).

That ( should have been a , obviously!

Morning everyone! Hope you're all well.

Meg for 8 hours sleep! You deserve it. but a big for a red wine allergy. At least it wasn't the choccies.

Big hello to everyone, and congrats to beal.

I am with you lot on the sleepless nights at the moment. DD is cutting a tooth, and whilst the previous 5 were a breeze, I now understand why Teething is discussed with such horror .

for megs allergy to wine. outrageous!!!!

hi ibs for the teething. poor dd.hope youre well otherwise

right, i'm off ladies. going to pick up some things from work, then off to m & t's, then mum coming over. catch you all later/tomorrow

can I join this club please? or does not sleeping due to teething not count?

Hello everyone! I am back! And with a good night to report...DS went to sleep at 8:30, quite late for him, had a feed at 11pm, another at 3am, and didn't wake up until nearly 6:30! I think we might start postponing his bedtime to see if that continues to result in later sleep-ins. That would be such a relief!

Mum is here, and cousin is gone. So happy to have her here. Had a lovely four days spending time with them, so sad to see cousin go, we grew up like sisters.

Meg, it sounds like things are looking up for you, sweetie! Hooray. You're due some good times.

Beal, congratulations! I am so clucky these days...but we're definitely waiting until the end of next year before we start trying for LO2...so I'll live vicariously through you!

Tibs, good for your little DD, what a good girl, sleeping through!

EP, I hope you're feeling better, we've had enough trips to the A&E for the rest of the year on this thread.

CSB, IBS, Ginger, and everyone I've missed, I hope you're well, rested and eating chocolate this very moment. Ha.

PHD, of course you can join! Could one of our incumbents please distribute the badge and hot cup of joe?

Oh, and teething...they didn't tell me that it continues even after the teeth break through the gumline...my poor DS is so poorly with teething this last week, and all four of the top teeth have broken through already.

Oh, one more thing (marathon post). DS had his first hard poop. Like, big boy poop! Now I am searching for fool-proof remedies for constipation. Ergh.

hello all. a fellow mumsnetter has recd i check out this thread. i have a nearly 18m daughter who has nver slept through the night and sleeps in our bed just about every night. i wasn't too concerned as i felt she'd learn to want her own bed soon enough etc. but have now introduced a baby into the mix and it has all gone haywire. can't have them both in the same room at night as they tag team to keep us awake! feeling desperate and guilty as i am fairly certain my dd's sleep issues are our fault. we always dashed in and cuddled her if she cried out and were only too happy to have our lovely cuddly baby sleep with us. but now i don't know what to do to fix things and make our lives bearable again. still hate to hear her cry though i know she has learned to whinge and make herself cry to get what she wants. i am able to tell the difference but it seems i am the only one. my mum and husband both think i am being wicked nd evil if i leave her to it when she does this, although i am in the room and nicely asking her to lay down etc. i am truly at my wits end. if anyone ere has any positive experience or great advice on what i can do that doesn't involve leaving her cry i'd be hugely grateful. i just don't know what to do next.

Teething is helish, isn't it? DS seems to have long an energetic awake periods in the middle of the night when he's teething - grrr.

Meg: allergic to red wine ? Can you get stuff with low levels of sulphites? What about organic plonk (you can get some quite good stuff now).

Ginger: hope your DD and DH feeling better.

Beal: not sure there is a perfect time for a new baby, you just get on with it! Congratulations again and hope you have an unexciting pregnancy

Tibs: yay for sleep throughs and lie-ins! What on earth were you doing getting up at 6am? Though I tore myself out of bed early at the weekend so I could get a bath in peace.

Aaargh DS is emptying the wipes so better go! But not before saying hi to RoRo

Booboobunny: sorry you're having such a tough time atm. A baby and and non-sleeping todler . DS is 14 mo and still a rubbish sleeper, we co-sleep too so not sure how much useful advice aI can give - I would say though that you need to talk to your partner and agree on your approach. DH and I have our disagreements on sleep, but t's the other way round: I'm wimpy about leaving him to cry and DH thinks it night be the only way to get him to sleep. Have come to the conclusion that we need to have a united apprach so we're both going to think about it and try a new plan over Xmas. Could you do something similar: set a date when you can have a go at whatever the main issue is?

we are desperately trying to think of new ideas and new ways to approach the problem at the mo. considering buying new cot as she ates her current one or maybe a bed, but she's a bit young i feel.
just to be clear, neither me or dh would leave er to cry, but i seem to be the only one who can see thediff between when she is genuinely upset and when she's forcing it to get attention, which she can switch off straight when she has had the desired effect. v. theatrical and generally with no tears. even when she does this i stay in the room just in case she gets genuinely upset. so we're both too soft to do anything drastic!!!!

booboo - do you have a bedtime routine? what is it? how does she fall asleep.

hello to PHD, teething is the ultimate test, as all regs no my ds2 is a bonjela additc and i swear by it!

off to see my MW friend so see you all later!

we do have a bedtime routine, which we've been doing for quite sometime. 6.30 dinner, 7.00 bath, then straight to bed, then jimjams, books, lights down, music on, cuddle on bed then (in theory) into the cot. what actually happens is we get to the cuddle on bed stage and she starts messing about as she knows the cot comes next. when it comes to going inthe cot she always hollers a bit, often she'll then lay down, but will most likely be up and crying (sometimes real sometimes put on) fairly soon afterwards. if i don't react to the crying (when she's paly acting) then it soon escalates to real tears. i generally try to continue cuddling her and reassuring from outside the cot, but her dad will always gete ehr out and cuddle her to sleep on te bed at tis stage (if not before). hence tonight she wanted daddy to put er to bed rather than me. he was up there for over an hour and reckons we've had a good night as a result????

roro glad to have you back lovely i missed you! glad you had a fab time with your cousin, but youre missing her. yay for your mama tho and yay for little man's good night. more of the same i say!!

a big welcome to phd and of course, all non sleeping counts

hey to EP

welcome to booboo, that is hard. dd has only just started sleeping (shes 16 mths), and although i'm not holding my breath, i'm hoping she continues. we're co sleeping too, although she's in her bedside cot. i think the next move will be into her own bed, so i can get in with her for any wakeups. maybe your lo would be ok with that too or maybe you could take one side off her cot and butt it up against your bed so that shes close, but you have your own space iyswim? just a suggestion, please feel free to ignore!!

right, am off to bed....shattered. wishing everyone restful nights

Evening everyone,

IBS for DD?s teeth, has she really got six already? DS is still stuck on two despite weeks of gnawing and drooling. I?m sure once it comes through she?ll be back to her good-sleeping ways.

Phdlife welcome and tell us all your troubles!

RoRo, do you know what, I much prefer proper solid poos to the old milky ones! Dunno about constipation though, not a problem in this house, he pops ?em out every hour it seems

Hi Booboo and well done on coping with two. One of the regulars here (Ginger) has got her DD a double bed and takes turns with her DH lying down with her in it, could that work for you maybe, your DH sleeping with your DD while you sleep with your new baby?

EP hope you?re all feeling non-ill now. DS has a thing about emptying baby wipes and tissue boxes too

Beal how did your visit to the midwife go?

Enjoy your early night, Tibs. I?m staying up to watch the last episode of Heroes

night night tibs! I missed you, too...

boo, I am afraid that I don't have any advice to improve on Tibsy's. We co-sleep and though we have a little wiggler and voracious dream-feeder, and teething creates some real nighttime fussiness, we've had some fairly good results with it. Much better than dragging myself out of bed to feed him, comfort him, etc., iyswim.

Good luck, and here's your badge

x-post Meg! I guess I am just a worrier, he has been working on more of those little nuggets all night. It's so funny to watch him concentrate and get all red in the face . As for the mess, I am sure I will come to appreciate the more solid ones. I still feel a bit of a nutter for digging through the nappy bin to find the prized poo, as DH changed him and was very non-chalant about it. I was like, ohmigod, our first big-boy poop!

Everyone click on my profile to see a pic of DS looking all festive...

morning all, i was down here at 3, so could've posted then, but thought none of you would be up, so decided to make use of it and finish off my babywearing article!

so our night, DS2 off to bed at 7, awake at 11:15, 12:30, 2, 3 and he's just gone back to bed! i'm what you call shattered! plus got really bad MS and so not sleeping isn't helping, will have to go back to bed today when boys do, i will definately time it so they both go off together otherwise god knows how i'll cope. hope you all had better ones.

MW was good yesterday, she's hesitant about my dates as i have really irregular periods and a 44day cycle so going to see my 'proper' mw next week and she'll book me for scan, hopefuly before xmas. Am really annoyed with DF he said he didn't want to come with scan with me as he really doesn't want baby! Plus to top things off i went to get ds1 (who slept from 8 till 6) and fell down the stairs. he was walking down behind me, so he's ok, but i'm really shaken, i always seem to fall down them when i'm pregnant or was it a slight push from DF? lol

hello everyone, just have a moment and wanted to pop by to say hi. we landed in sydney today. LO not sleeping on planes and can apparently go up to 14 hours without sleep (?!?!?!) having lots of fun though with doting relatives and lots of new places for LO to explore. we have a lot of midnight parties but given as i'm jetlagged as well, i'm not adverse to a little midnight groove.

hope you're all well. sorry haven't read through much yet. xx

Hi Amber , glad you have survived the flight (and 14 hours without LO sleeping )! Is it lovely and sunny over there?

Beal so have you been awake since 3am? No wonder you're shattered, esp. with ms! Hope you can find some time to take care of yourself today. that DF says he doesn't want to come to the scan, he was responsible for making the baby too! Do you think it could just be shock?

Night 4 of CC went like this:
Bed 7.30 (7 mins to fall asleep)
Awake 2.45 (took an hour to go back to sleep, which was tough)
Up 7am for the day

Meg: 7:30 - 2:45 is a good stretch. The hour wake up sounds bad though . DS does this when he's teething. It sounds like you are getting him to go longer at night, which is great, and maybe he is goin gto wake if there's a specific reason, like teeth?

Beal: sounds like you need to have another good chat with your DP. You've got through a few rocky patches already, so I'm sure you can work through this one as well. It might just be that there's too much going on atm - is the house move going ahead as well?

Hi Amber! at being away from the land of coughs and colds and bugs and RAIN. It was nearly dark when I left the house this am.

Booboo: DS hates his cot as well, which is why is his leeping in our (now knows as his) bed. If we had room, Id go for the double bed, possibly with a rail thingy. That way if you need to stay with her you can get some sleep. We don't have a second bedroom though, so not an option for us at the moment.

RoRo: glad you enjoyed the family visit. What are you up to over Xmas? Are you staying in London? We are, then poss heading up to see family over New Year (I love Xmas in Londona s it's nice a quiet but hate New Year as it's the opposite!)

Oh, our night wasn;t great, but then I kept waking DS up with my coughing.