Sleep is for the weak part four, we're officially hardcore.

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Yes ladies we've got a shiny new thread to share our woes of chronic sleep deprivation, to hail all that is gloreous when something works and throw our arms in the air when it all goes wrong again.

One bad night doesn't impress us, we're awake more than we sleep cos we is 'ard I tell ya.

Yup - we got off reasonably lightly! How's the house coming along?

ok i guess but still looks like a building site to me. everyone I know who's been through it says this is the worst bit. once the floors go down and the stud walls go up it starts to look like a house again.
I've told Dh as long a s we're in and settled by xmas I won't moan! All i want is to put up a rel try in our front window for ds. he's a jan baby so 1st xmas he was 11 months and we didn't have a xmas tree because there's no room for it in our apartment. well not unless we removed his babydan playpen which is a godsend so the tree lost!

that was real tree (as in christmas tree!)

Morning people and glad there were some OK nights. Not so here - too depressing to even begin to count the wakings. Think it must be to do with his eczema as he was scratching his legs together all night and crying

Have ordered some tops with built-in scratch mitts off the internet so hoping if he sleeps in those I won't have to worry about restraining his arms in the night, just the legs!

Morning Meg - so sorry to hear DS's eczema is bad again. Hope the tops do the trick.

Tam - just saw you on another thread. I didn't know you used to live in Manchester! I used to live in Rusholme, and my in-laws are still in Didsbury. I really want to move back, but DH prefers London. Odd really, given that I'm the southerner and he's Mancunian born and bred .

meg for your night and ds's eczema. have never had any skin probs with ds so am no use on advice front but can imagine how much harder it must make night times.
big hug X

no way bags how weird is that. i still crave rusholme curries!
I loved mcr so much but ireland was home and we wanted ds to know his grandparents.
Dh is going back next weekend to see friends. we take it in turns to go over every few months. One of my best friend's owns a childrens shop in didsbury called pixie incase you're ever up that way.
Better go supposed to be takign ds for a walk before his nap. BBLx

Tam - just googled Pixie to get the address! Will call in there to have a look next week. we're off to Manc on Friday to give DD some quality time with the in-laws (while we see Arctic Monkeys at Old Trafford!).

bags her name is sheila (irish too) and she is blonde and pregnant with their 3rd child. She might not be there as has few members of staff but if she is make sure to say hello.
very of your artic monkeys gig.
we're going to see snow patrol on sept 1st and ds is out overnight so can't wait!

....... see, we can talk about other things apart from sleep

i went for a massage this morning

oh, and our night was alright. a few screaming sessions in teh evening, but then slept till 4.30. unfortunately stayed awake until 6, but then back until 8am. felt pretyt good.

Hi Amber - glad your night was ok. The massage sounds luurvely .

DD just had a screaming fit here . We don't have a car, but are hiring one for a weekend away. So dd will need to be in a car seat for a five hour journey. I just tried her in the car seat and . I have until Friday to acclimatise her, and hopefully get her to the point where she'll nap in the car. Not feeling confident. Top item on my shopping list is now "Medised" .

Hope you all have good nights.

medised def order of the day bags
funny how you just assume babies are ok in carseats because they're usually in one most days of their lives. i always feel so guilty of ds is in the car for more than 30-40 minutes at a time yet i have a friend who commuted between london and wales when her lo was born and swears that's why she's such an easy baby. had to learn to entertain herself!

amber massage does sound lovely. I've hit the gym hard this week and ache all over so could really do with one. Asked dh but he laughed and said maybe later. can't blame him he always asks me to massage his feet (as lovely as they are i usually decline!)

morning all. very quiet this weekend. hope you're all getting some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

usual night here. bed at 7
woke at 11(in with us) then 3, 7 for the day

Again only waking for milk so goes back to sleep in matter of minutes so it's fine.

just wish he'd eat more volume during the day and not be so hungry at night.
He refused dinner last night so not surprised he woke really.

Morning All,

Hi Tam - glad last night wasn't a shocker, but sorry to hear about the dodgy eating.

Well, here was NOT GOOD. Settled 7.30 no problems. Up at 9.15, 10.45 for an hour, 2.30, 3.30, and then didn't really settle back for more than about 20mins at a time. Tried feeds, co-sleeping - nothing working. We didn't even have any proper crying, just lots and lots of grizzling. Feel a bit bad about swearing at DD , but that's sleep deprivation for you.

She's cooing happily now - what's that all about??

Please come and tell me of improved nights - I need some hope and inspiration , especially as we are stuck at home today waiting for a delivery.

Bags, does sound like a teathing excuse to me. Sorry it was so pants. We've definately had more than our fair share of nights like that.

Our night was much improved. Woke at 11 then quickly back to sleep until 4. Didn't really sleep much from that point on but wasn't particularly upset a bit grizly now and again but singing for the most part . I slept next to her cot again. That approach seems to be working at the mo and me and DH are taking it in shifts so he's on tonight so hopefully I'll get a good night.

I realised last night that I get so anxious at bed time juat the anticipation of being woken so many times or her waking so many times. She can probably sense it but its so hard to relax.

How was everyone elses night.

DD is being really cute at the moment and chatting in this funny little voice. It sounds like we've got R2D2 in the house. So funny.

Bags: sorry about your bad night . Re the car seat, DS hates being put in his (we don;t have a car so he rarely uses it) but once the car is actually moving he's fine and usually drops off to sleep . Hope you find the same.

Tam: sounds like steady improvement for you

DS looks a lot better, so hopefully has avoided the pox - his tummy is still a bit iffy, so it looks like it was a bug. A better night for us, asleep 7, woke just after 8 but DH got him back to sleep, woke at 10 and 11:30 for milk, into bed with us and as far as I know slept till 4:15! He;s drinking a lot less at night as well, so hopefully the night feeds will tail off eventually. Next step is to get our bed back, but we;re concentrating on SLEEP first .

Ginger: DS is mainly shouting - I'm convinced he's got louder since starting at the cms! The relaxing thing is SO true for us - DH pointed out that if I was wound up it took ages to get DS to sleep, hence the plan of playing for a while before bedtime and trying not to stress to much. Easier said than done, I know

Morning all. Bags sorry for your bad night, we have had some of those recently too. Hope you can put your feet up today.

Tam, Ginger and EP, your nights all sound OK.

Ours was mixed, went down ok and didn't stir until 10.30 but very hard to settle after that (lots of scratching), gave some Calpol to see if that helped (not really), in with me around 12. But after that he wasn't bad, woke a couple of times but not for long, then dozing on and off from 6 until 7ish.

We had a good nap day yesterday (30 mins in the morning, 1.5hrs at lunch and 1hr in the afternoon) but seemed to make little difference to night-time sleep!

for R2D2. We've got darth vader here! glad you are seeing some improvement, but i know what you mean about the going to bed anxiety. some nights i just didn't want to go to bed because i knew how horrid it would be waking up so many times.

bags - sorry you had such a pants night. sounds bad

ep - glad ds seems to be improving. i wonder if our lo has been sick as well. i stopped feeding him solids since saturday night and just BF, and he's actually taken a lot more milk. i'm convinced he actually signed milk yesterday but dh doesn't believe me - thinks it was coincidence.

meg, yay for the naps. when our naps got better we didn't see immediate results at night, but i thinkm overall things got better with time and i think the naps did help that.

we had 2 steps backward last night - wakings at 11, 1.30 and 4.30, up at 7. not terrible, but not the bliss that recent nights have been.

morning all!!

EP, hope lo is feeling better very soon.
Amber, hows your lo, is his tum any better? for the regression at night time, am sure its just a blip
bags, for your night
ginger, glad youre feeling a bit better

our night was crappish woke at 12ish, just as i was going to bed, grrrrr! slept til 4.45am, then wanted boob. slept in til 8.30am so doesnt sound too bad, but she was awake forever at 12 so i feel a bit pants. i was really cross with her too and felt a bit rubbish about that ..... but have decided to let myself wallow in it a bit, then pull myself together and get over it!

have had some bad news over the weekend, a friend has been admitted to hospital with viral meningitis, thankfully, it wasnt the meningicoccal(sp?)type. she's got 3 lo's with the youngest just 5 days older than my dd and then, dps dad was admitted to hospital with chest pains, they think it was warning signs that he was on the verge of a heart attack poor dp is worried sick, obviously, as i am. fil is such a lovely man too, he seems to be ok atm, just a bit emotional and obviously it means he's going to have to slow down and look after himself, which is a bit like asking the tide not to come in.

sorry ladies, i seem to have waffled on a bit

tibs, sounds like a tough emotional weekend. hope FIL will be okay, and will slow down at least a bit. and hope your friend gets better soon.

i'm not sure about LO's tum. still a million nappy changes yesterday. will see what today holds. he ate a bucket yesterday and last night, so mabye that's all got something to do with the recovery period.

Morning all, I'm back! Teething is finally over (yippee!) for now, and there are two cute little teeth just sitting at the top of his gums. Ahh. Thankfully he caught on to the 'Ow! Don't bite me - it hurts!' thing when he was little and had no teeth, so my boobs have been pretty much spared the agony of razor-sharp bites so far.

Sleep is now back to 'normal' - i.e. three wakings a night, but I'm so knackered (I sleep-walked the other night...my DH was most perturbed) I keep bringing him into bed with me, which I usually only do when he's ill. Have got to get out of that habit.

Have given up on NCSS - though it worked beautifully, every time he became poorly with colds or teething, it all went out of the window. After three long months of working faithfully at it, I can't do this any more. So as of today it's the Baby Whisperer approach. Honestly, all these bloomin' experts are doing my head in.

Tibs - very very to hear your worrying news; I hope your friend and fil make a full and strong recovery, the poor things.

Amber - for Darth (I met the real Darth once - he was a lovely man) and for your pants night.

Meg - for good naps. Like you, I've found that naps make no difference to my DS's sleep either. What are those experts on about?

EP and Ginger - for your stress. I usually find that when I feel that way, if I tickle my DS and make him laugh (yes, even in the middle of trying to get him to sleep) - e.g. blowing bubbles on his neck or tummy, it relaxes us both instantly. Not necessarily a miracle solution for everyone, but it might be worth a try. Sending you relaxing vibes.

Bags - oh, you poor woman. I'm sure we've all been there, and it's awful to hear when someone else has had such a crappy night. Today is definitely a Green & Black's day for you, m'dear! (Gracious - just think how obese my kiddies will be in future if I resort to G&B's at every moment of upset!)

Lyndyloo - areya there? I remember you were going to try CC this weekend - did you do it in the end, and how are you all now? By the way, yes I am sad about my DH leaving Arsenal, but then I love Barcelona and can't wait to live there. Ah, I love this luxurious life of footballer's wifery...

Sorry all - another Mrs TH essay .

hello Mrs TH, glad the teething is over (for now)

ah, the tummy bug still not good, up to nappy change number 3, and it's only 11am.