Sleep is for the weak part four, we're officially hardcore.

[gingerninja]

Yes ladies we've got a shiny new thread to share our woes of chronic sleep deprivation, to hail all that is gloreous when something works and throw our arms in the air when it all goes wrong again.

One bad night doesn't impress us, we're awake more than we sleep cos we is 'ard I tell ya.

p.s dd is so cute tho and i love her to bitsnpieces. [mamma guilt emoticon]

morning everyone! hoping to hear of some good nights.

welcome lyndyloo

hi tibs - for your feeding marathon.

crap night here. dd's only decent stretch was 8-11.30. getting really quite fed up with this at the moment. i suppose it's the wonderful 4 month sleep regression - regressed from being a pretty poor sleeper to just not really bothering at all. wise siftw ladies, all thoughts/ideas/suggestions are welcome!

morning bags and tibs. for your crap nights.
tibs chin up my love. She'll come back around. It must be a growth spurt if she's feeding so much again.
Ds also woke at 12 and 3 for milk. not even 3 hours and he def doesn't need it! at least your dd is still little and supposed to need to be bf. You'r edoing so well.
bags :9 poor you. 4 months does seem to be the funny age when things can go a bit tits up for a while.
My only suggestions would be co-sleep, nap if at all poss during the day, recruit some help from friends/family during the day so you can have a nap, get dh to do 1 night a week when he brings dd to you just to feed. sorry i know how hard it is but it will pass. big hug x

Morning Tam, and thanks .
What are we going to do with these milkaholics?

morning bags and tam. thanks both

bags, it's a hard time for sure, but as tam says, it will get better. i'm another thumbs up for co sleeping.

tam for your greedy lo too. have they all got hollow legs?!!! got anything nice planned today? hows the house coming along?

had aviewing for the aprtment at 9.30 but estate agent has phone to cancel! so annoying. spent most of last night tidying up and cleaning. also ds and i are both dressed and and nowhere to go. he's having his 2nd breafast atm then think we'll got the park for a while before his nap.

House coming along slowly. still looks like a building site but hopefully there will be some notable difference this week. like a roof!

god you can tell i didn't proof read that before i posted!
you get the gist. no viewing and all dressed up with nowhere to go!

aahh yes, a roof,.....def has its advantages hope it all gets sorted for you soon.
dd and i are going to a smallbreeds farm tomorrow with m&t's group. hope its not p**g down!!!!
enjoy the park xx

M&T farm visit sound sgood. ds would love that. my M&T has finished for summer but we try and meet every other wed in the park for a catch up. Was supposed to be doing thatthis morning but they phoned to cancel too!
wished you lived nearby!

for the cancellations
me too tam, we'd have a fine old time i reckon

Morning lovelies!

Sorry tibs that your dd is a boobaholic. Sometimes I think my ds hates boobs. I wish there was something in the middle.

Does she seem to be hungry and eating a lot? Or just sucking for the hell of it?

When LO seemed to just have a little suck and go back to sleep I set a 4 hourly night rule, that I would only feed him if 4 hours went by since the last night feed. seemed to work to get him down to 2 feeds in the night. it would go something like 11, 3, 6.30 (ok so that's only 3.5 hours, but i'm weak!). i think the main part of the rule was that i never gave the first feed before 11 otherwise the night would go haywire with loads of wakings.

anyway, sorry you're having to be up a lot of the night. you're such a nice momma and will keep loving her up at night, which is sooooo lovely. i hope i'm your LO in my next life!

what is M&T?

we should all live within walking distance - we would never be sad again

amber thankyou my darling x
m & t = mums and tots/toddlers (although dd not a toddler yet!)
RE. the feeding... cant really tell if shes definitely feeding or if its just for comfort (teeth again?) that sounds stupid, but one min shes going at it hell for leather, then she slows, but just when i'm about to hoik her off, she starts suck, suck, sucking again

wish we were all closer too ahhh well, thank goodness for siftw!!!

think i'll try the 4 hour rule will see what my willpower is like later....
hope your last class went well at bfg and not feeling too get out there, spread the word and assist those bfing mummies amber i know you'll be great at it xx

mother and toddler group.

i know amber jee i could have you all round for coffee and buns every day and the lo's could play. sigh...........

he he, actually there is another class next week that i didn't realise! so all is ok.

i think the difficult thing about all these rules and techniques at night is that our willpower is so weak. all we want to do is anything that will get them backto sleep so we can sleep ourselves. it's so hard to see the bigger picture when you're craving to be asleep.

mmmm coffee and buns!

amber - definitely, mmmmmmmmmm, sleep!!
tam - definitely, mmmmmmmmmm, coffee and buns!!

thanks girls, i feel so much better now.
and i've just pinned on my 'i'm a milk goddess' badge onto my jacket

Morning everyone. Another crap night here... made bearable by DH going off to the sofa at midnight and LO coming in with me. I miss having DH in bed with me though!

Still, goes to show that naps don't always make a difference because he had one more nap than the day before and went to bed later but slept exactly the same = awake 10.30 and refused to resettle even after a feed, in with me at midnight, a few bleary-eyed wakings then awake at 6.30 but managed to get to drift off til 8. Poor DH is getting cramped from being on the sofa every night (he's 6ft, the sofa isn't!)...

meggy, for you and poor dh too. its amazing how one day can change so much from the next isnt it?
join us with our virtual coffee and buns courtesy of tam's hospitality!!
we're all with you, in spirit and sleeplessness if not in body!! big hugs my lovely xx

oh, i forgot to say our night. LO slept well, but i didn't . he just woke at 12, and then 6.30 for the day, but i had trouble getting back to sleep after 12. oh well, dh gave me a lie in again, he's a saint!

Meg, i used to be obsessed with how much sleep LO got in the day thinking it would somehow lead to less wakings in the night. it didn't really. i'd walk around with him in teh sling for hours trying to get him more sleep.
when the naps got better, ie. longer and more regular, then i think the nighttime got better as well. maybe that's just because overall he became a better sleeper, i dont know. he's still quite keen onthe 45 minutes sometimes though, but at least he's regular about it.

meg you must be so tired. I feel for your dh too. some days you do wonder what happened to your days of togetherness. here's the things i miss....
-breakfast on a sunday with the papers
-lunch in a restaurant with a large glass of wine when you didn't have to bend down every 2 seconds to pick something up off the floor
-lying in bed reading a book before driting off to sleep
-being able to go to the gym at the drop of a hat(i used to love exercise now not so sure!)
-SLEEP (haha)

anyway mil jut rang to say she's calling in for 5 mins to see ds so gotta go

amber for ds' night, but, for yours. a big thumbs up for your dh (wanna swap?!!)

better go, gotta get ready to go out to bfg when dd wakes up. ttfn!!

just got to add.....
Tam, I could have written that list