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What is baby Whisperer WI/WO method?

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fizzbuzz · 25/05/2007 17:38

Walk in/ walk out? How do you do it and what is it? Dd is too heavy for PU/PD. Have seen WI/WO on Babywhisperer website, but can't find out how to do it. Please help, before i go mad from lack of sleep....

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cruisemum1 · 29/05/2007 15:18

fizz - that was really tricky for me (ds can't sit up from lying) but he had learned to roll at the time and i was terrified he was gonna suffocate crying on his tummy. i spoke to hv/sleep expert and she said keep to your times, don't worry about flipping him over (or in your case laying her down) just be consistent unless you hear the crying change. tbh the longest i ever left him was 6 mins anyway. i got confused when he was grizzling then started up crying properly again. made the timing really ahrd to follow iyswim. I just timed it on instinct then. it is harder than anyone says unless you have a textbook/compliant baby who has read the same books as you

cruisemum1 · 29/05/2007 15:21

I guess it took a week as he would still wake at nights once or twice initially. it was hard. effing awful actually. but i was resolute and exhausted and i knew i had to do something otherwise i think i would have got depressed. i was already beginning to feel overwhelmed by everything so i HAD to see it through. hth

cruisemum1 · 29/05/2007 15:22

fizz - let me know when you are siging off as i will stop loitering by the computer. ds is getting fidgetty

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fizzbuzz · 29/05/2007 15:52

Thanks for help. Haven't finished yet, but have to go to docs. When you have time can you just going over the laying them down bit again.

Thanks ever so ever so......

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LoveAngel · 29/05/2007 17:29

Her P/U P/D method seems to go against everything I have ever instinctively felt about children and sleep. Either pick the kid up or leave it down, FFS! PMSL

cruisemum1 · 29/05/2007 17:35

loveangel - i respect your opinion and agree to a point. but sometimes you have to do what is best for ALL your family, not just one of them

cruisemum1 · 29/05/2007 17:38

plus loveangel - i did not say what i had done was a prescribed 'method', I was asked what i had done and gave my answer.

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fizzbuzz · 29/05/2007 18:13

Just go over laying them down again. Do you do it during interval sat outside listening, and just go in and put them down, then go in at next alotted time to soothe?

Eg, sitting out say 4 mins, and lo sits up. Do you go and lay them down and come straight out and then go in at the mins to soothe? Or do you soothe every time you go in and lay them down, which would mess up timing?

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cruisemum1 · 29/05/2007 19:14

i guess it is up to you but what i did was this....
once ds was crying i left it 2 mins (or whatever your chosen time is) went in flipped him over, kissed his head, stroked his face, said nightnight and left. before i was even at the door he had flippped over again but i left it the correct amount of mins before going in again and repeating it over. he actually now sleeps on his stomach so maybe me flipping him over was peeing him off ! hope that makes sense fizzbuzz.

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fizzbuzz · 29/05/2007 20:47

Thanks for that ..........currently been going on since 7.30 pm. Nerves in shatters

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fizzbuzz · 29/05/2007 20:50

Was going in all time to lay her down at first, but now waiting 5 mins or whatever. Crying diminishing slowly.....( well not that slowly..)

Went in last time to find her curled over in sitting position with head on cuddly rabbit.......heartbreaking

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cruisemum1 · 29/05/2007 21:05

effin 'ell. you poor thing. . i hate that you feel so bad. makes you wonder what we are putting them through. i think what you have to do is keep reminding yourself why you are doing it and what tipped you over the edge enough to do it. Also remind yourself of the alternative. But if you cannot hack it. Stop. . Also helped me to remember that their memories are very short...

Chirpygirl · 29/05/2007 21:12

I think, from reading this, that I have been using walk in/walk out without realising!

DD is 15 months and has started being really unsettled but cos of preggy belly I can't pick up and put down as it buggers up my back.
If she cries I go into her room lie her down and pat a couple of times, and then leave, pulling the door shut, but if she cries I open the door, lean in and shush her until she is calm, then close door again. Sometimes I have to open and close door about 10 times but normally it only takes a couple of goes.
If she cries I go to her straightaway, hormones won't allow me to listen without freaking out!

Chirpygirl · 29/05/2007 21:13

Meant to add that it took a few nights but now she quiets the second she sees me so I don't even have to touch her IYSWIM.

Hope it is going okay for you.

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fizzbuzz · 29/05/2007 21:22

She's gone to sleep! I need a bottle of valium and a very large drink to recover. Will admit that I was crying probably as much as her, but CANNOT carry on being held hostage in her bedroom every evening, although quite liked having her in bed with me.

Keep reading stuff in old threads that it makes anxious babies, and can lead to attatchment disorder

Re WI/WO, have looked on BW website and you are supposed to do it with . So Chirpygirl you are doing smething right.

Thanks for all your help Cruise ( although I feel for her the night is yet young, and unlike her I will prob feel about 90 tomorrow)

Wasn't there a cc suppport thread on here a while ago?

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fizzbuzz · 29/05/2007 21:23

You are supposed to do it with toddlers nof course (have finally lost plot....)

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cruisemum1 · 30/05/2007 06:35

fizz - i do hope your night was settled

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fizzbuzz · 30/05/2007 08:57

Thanks Cruise, but it was not good.

She fell asleep eventually. Sent dp up to find out if she was ok. She was asleep sitting up with head on cuddly rabbit. I sent him up because I couldn't face seeing her like this

He laid her down, and she woke up 5 mins later. After another hour I couldn't do it anymore, just too upsetting, so took her in with us. I think it would have worked if she would lie down, but she wouldn't.

So will have to try something else....have sent off for NCSS, which I know you didn't think much of, but she was a pretty good sleeper before all this.

Thanks for your support on my very brief attempt. What does ncss recommend?

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fizzbuzz · 30/05/2007 08:57

Thanks Cruise, but it was not good.

She fell asleep eventually. Sent dp up to find out if she was ok. She was asleep sitting up with head on cuddly rabbit. I sent him up because I couldn't face seeing her like this

He laid her down, and she woke up 5 mins later. After another hour I couldn't do it anymore, just too upsetting, so took her in with us. I think it would have worked if she would lie down, but she wouldn't.

So will have to try something else....have sent off for NCSS, which I know you didn't think much of, but she was a pretty good sleeper before all this.

Thanks for your support on my very brief attempt. What does ncss recommend?

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cruisemum1 · 30/05/2007 09:46

i am sooo sorry fizzbuzz . it must have been so hard for you all . I do hope you don't think in any way i promoted this course of action. i would never advocate cc - simply support someone if they were doing it iyswim. obviously it was way too hard for your dd and you too . ihope yhou get her sleep fixed soon. ncss is a very gently gently long process but i am sure it will work for some. it didn't work for me but if youtrawl through the sleep section you will find a ncss thread whre posters have recorded their success/progress. so sorry again

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fizzbuzz · 30/05/2007 11:02

God no of course you didn't promote it!

I just wanted your advice, and thank you loads for it.

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cruisemum1 · 30/05/2007 17:32

fizz- perlease perlease keep me posted on your dd's progress sleepwise. hang in there, and give her millions and millions of hugs (I'm sure you have already )
cruise

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fizzbuzz · 30/05/2007 21:13

So far dp and i have sat by her bed since 7.15pm. have to keep hand on her or she won't lie down.
We have been doing it in shifts. She fell asllep about 8.10pm, aand I escaped!

However she started again about 15 mins ago. Dp now up there with book and pint of beer

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cruisemum1 · 31/05/2007 07:29

fizz - how was your night? ds woke at 11ish for 30 MINS (teeth probably?) then awake for hte day at 5:25am . hope your dd got some quality sleep

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fizzbuzz · 31/05/2007 09:00

5.25am, that is a terrible time to be awake. Will he not go down again after that?

DD woke at 10.15, and taken to our bed, where she slept horizontally all night Woke up at 6.00, had drink of water, and the woke up at 8.00am. This has been her best night for ages

She manages to hog entire super king size bed though

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