Sleep is for the Weak! we got too big?!!??!?!!??

[cruisemum1]

can you believe that?! we got too big?
we should surely get an award from Mumsnet?

thanks ginger. also have you tried diprobase emollient cream at all? i had used that for his cradle cap in the early days.
re the breastfeeding peer supporter course, i think your best bet would be to call the breastfeeding network. they run the one i go to in conjunction with an islington council initiative to support breastfeeding. there may even be similar courses run through the other breastfeeding associations (NCT, association of breastfeeding mothers, La Leche).

Thanks for that Amber. Yes I've tried Diprobase. Didn't like it much prefered doublebase

Morning all.
Last night was better for me. After just 1 hour of soothing in Moses basket dd1 slept 7.30pm-10pm. Dummy insertion brought a further hour's grace. Then 11 feed, 3.30 feed, and 5-7 am gurgling with dummy. This is a good night for us!
Hope you all got on similarly well

Morning

Our night started ok but DS got v snotty and kept waking up so feeling a bit grotty this morning. At least it's a sunny day out there.

(btw it's Swizzler experimenting with a new name)

morning slim/swizz and bags.

LO had a great night. woke at 12 and 5 for feeds. think he woke a few other times but settled himself after just a few noises. me however, well i am desperately in need of some sleep training. oh god, please let someone leave me to cry it out! i cannot sleep. after i fed at 12, i could not get to sleep until 2.30. oh the pain, the irritation over losing those precious hours of slumber. what is wrong with me!

Amber: yay for your good night but for your own sleep. Hopefully if your LO's sleep patterns stick you'll adjust! I know I tend to wake just before DS does, so he has me trained..

thanks, yeah hoping i'll adjust. i did have a coffee around 5pm yesterday because i was fading so badly, so maybe that was the culprit, though it doesn't normally affect me. anyway, he's refusing to nap for more than 1/2 an hour today so who knows what is going to happen!
how's your ds today? still snotty?

Amber, I am exactly the same. I've always been a terrible sleeper (em, wonder where DD gets it from) and I'm often awake for hours. once I've been woken it's a nightmare to drop back off while DH can fall straight back to sleep in an instant. Recently I've taken to being wide awake at 5!!

Well, last night was amazing by recent standards. She fell asleep in her cot on her own, not a peep at about 7.30, awoke briefly a couple of times for the dummy at about 8.30 / 9 then a couple of grumblings that turned into nothing. Then not a peep until 2.15!! Took her into bed and slept until 5. Fed and back to sleep until 6. Flippin fantastic. (!)

Ginger - that's great!

Amber: yes he's still snotty but he slept for an unheard-of 1 3/4 hours today . He didn't get much sleep last night so must have been tired. I find the sunny weather tires him out more as well, so hoping for an improvement tonight

Morning amber, slim, ginger.

Ginger- glad to hear you had a good night last night.

Want to kill mil/fil. Met them for lunch yesterday. Was supposed to be breakfast so that LO had the chance of getting an undisturbed nap. SO they ring and insist we come to them at 1, despite LO being asleep for only 10mins. Woke her to get in buggy. Went to meet them. LO drifts off after 3o mins on bus, and has been asleep for 5mins when we me them. FIL is warned of this fact, but decides to grab her hands to say hello!!!!!That was the last few minutes of sleep she got all day. Next time I will be strong and refuse to jump to their tune (who am I kidding?)

Was up with LO grizzling til nine. Fed at 11. Woke 3.15 - foolishly I decided not to fed. grizzled til 4, fed, screamed til 5, sleep 5-6, up since then. Luckily DH is home today (normally works crazy hours) so I think I might bail out and spend the rest of the morning in bed.

Sorry for long rant. Thanks for listening. Hope you all fared better.

Bagsundereyes for you. I don't thinik people without yong babies (esp those with sleeping probs) realise the importance of naps! They're not around in the evenings when you're trying to put an overtired baby to sleep.

Another disturbed night last night - early part not too bad but later DS kept waking himself up cos he couldn't breathe properly and is very sleepy this morning. We're out all day at the British Museum so he can sleep in the pushchair if necessary Will instruct friend not to wake him up!

Thanks slim,
Sorry to hear you and your LO had a tough night. Hope your trip out goes well. As I'm a newbie, I was wondering, how old is your DS?

morning all we're back from portugal! haven't had time yet to catch up on all the posts for a week (will i ever have time!)
Hi to all new sleep deprived mums but you find yourself here.
Portugal was fabulous weather and hotel was beautiful but ds had personality bypass for 5 days and was a major PITA. more about that later. Gotta go start on the washing.
hate post holiday aftermath

Tamdin: glad you enjoyed your holiday, apart from DS playing up. Do you think it was the change in environment?

Bagsundereyes: DS is nearly 8 months . Must try and put up new photos as DS has changed so much in the past few months.

bagsundereyes, for your tough day and night, and slim (can't get used to that name, he he) hello.

my MIL and FIL just arrived last Thursday and I'm being really strict with not letting them interrupt naps. Actually yesterday, they got him so excited before his nap time, was so hard to calm him down and then he only slept 1/2 hour. anyway, he loves it, and so do they, so i'll grin and bear it for a couple of weeks.
i'm just hoping its not the case that i have to cook dinner for them every night. also i usually go to bed around 8-9, but can't do that with them around and having social dinners, so even though its nice, going to bed at 10-10.30 every night is really tough - i'm still not ready for it. so tired!

ps. it really annoys me when ds is asleep in the sling and i tell friends he is asleep so they start stroking his head and kissing him. eh, leave him alone until he wakes up!

oooh, hello tamdin, can't wait to hear more about holiday and your little PITA episode. how was the 4am airport in pajamas routine?

amber: may change back t some point, but Slim quicker to type! Plus I'm kidding myself that it gives me a cool gangster-like persona

Much sympathy Amber. My in-laws also kind of expect to be entertained in the way I used to be able to do before LO arrived, and don't seem to understand that I need to go to bed when she does (8-9ish) to stand even the slightest chance of getting 2 hours unbroken sleep before the night's onslaught. Perhaps parents who haven't had the misfortune to have non-sleeping babies assume I'm neurotic? Though think maybe am turning neurotic......

Bags, I had similar situation recently when I stayed with Inlaws. Really peed me off that we had to do everything to their schedule despite it not suiting DD and her sleeping/eating. After a week of this she had a complete meltdown and i'm not kidding it's taken about 3 weeks to get back into our little routine. How old is your LO?

I can sympathise with what you and Amber are saying re entertaining inlaws and sleepless babies. Honestly i've nearly written an 'am i being unreasonable thread' on it before but since having DD I irrationally hate my mil and it stems from her first visit 2 weeks after the birth where DH and in laws didn't help with anything, offer me a drink, didn't bother cooking just got take away regardless of the fact that I don't like it and then to top it, didn't even clean up after themselves. She just wanted to hold DD all the time and let me get on with it all. Just typing this makes me boil with anger. I really need to get a grip it was 9 months ago after all!!

Slim, sorry for your pants night. Can't get used to calling you slim it feels like a different person.

Welcome back Tam.

oh ginger! not surprised you're still mad.

After this weekend's fiasco I am dreading our planned visit to the in laws. we're going to stay with them for a couple of days so that we can go to a festival up north. MIL has already asked people round in the evening to see the LO on the day we arrive. When I asked if she could postponed this to the following morning, to allow LO to get a rest after a 5 hour car journey, she said no - "that's my day with her!"

I have informed DH that I will be "confiscating" LO at 6pm, as this is the best I can manage. She is napping now - just waiting for the 30 min wakeup.

Have decided not to go out with LO for 7 days to really try and get her on track. DH has a face like a slapped arse as he has just been packed off to the supermarket for the first time since she was born 12 weeks ago.

BTW I am aware I have rudely hijacked this thread. I have only just discovered the site and so 12 weeks of weary resentment keeps bubbling up. Will behave better now.

i can't believe these MILs.

make your own freakin' cup of tea.

i've realised that i have turned neurotic though, and also that i totally cling onto ds. i can't handle handing him over for more than 15 mins at a time, then i'm going crazy wanting to cuddle him again. its ridiculous because often enough during the week, i really would rather hand him over for a bit. ah, motherhood is so irrational isn't it.

bags, i think things are better since i prioritised LO's naps. some days are still off, and i allow myself maybe 2 days a week where he has a nap in teh sling. but am trying to be good and respet his sleep and i think its paying off. i just do little trips to the local shops, cafe etc or park during his awake times. you shoudl see me sometimes when he's tired trying to keep him awake until the next naptime. very amusing.
how old is your LO?

I think that sounds like the way I need to take things forward Amber - sounds like it works for you. Don't shout at me, but LO is only 12 weeks. I know therefore that I should have reasonably low expectations about her sleep, but she probably get only around 10hours/day max, and is always overtired. She's easily excitable, so that's why I want to try your strategy of minimal disruption/diversion. How old is your LO?

he's 5 months and always been a terrible sleeper. naps are starting to come though into more of a routine. both through LO coming on board, and me being more educated and strict! 12 weeks is early to be too stern with yourself or LO, but not too early to start trying a routine and see how it goes. hope it works for you. if it doesn't, i'd say, wait another month and come back to it. i think around 4 months, naps started to make some sense. its all guesswork really, and i suppose all LOs are different and do things in their own time.
hows the nighttime sleep going?

Night-time is fairly dire - she takes 2 hours soothing to sleep, then often wakes after 30mins or so, despite my staying with her to check she's really "gone". On a bad night, she'll scream til 10, then sleep at 11.
Overnight the usual pattern is awake at 11, 2, 4, then often up for the day at 5. On better nights she goes back at 4.30-5 and we get a lie-in til 7. I know she's only little, but this, plus the 30 min naps is not enough for her, as she's really grumpy on bad days, and often very grouchy on waking. Still, DH has had her most of today, so I feel refreshed for the night shift. How was you LO at that age?