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Nothing working for 6 week baby

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mama0got0moves · 07/08/2017 12:01

Hi there, brand new to mumsnet and FTM. Please be gentle and apologies for the long message.

After reading what seems like pages and pages of forum threads trying to find solutions to newborn sleep, I thought I'd just join and post myself as finding it incredibly hard as nothing we do is working for our DS and I have not had more than a block of 2 hours sleep since he was born. So I'm pretty desperate!

For the last 2 weeks it is getting worse and worse settling him to sleep. To the point now where he is very rarely sleeping for longer than an hour at a time from around 8pm-8am. When we noticed things were getting bad we started a short bedtime routine of boob, bath, boob, bed. We take him upstairs around 7pm into dim lighting and use soft voices. We play the lullaby option on the Ewan during the last feed which usually sends him into a light sleep. (We have tried on many occasions to put him down before he falls asleep but not once this has this worked.) We have been using a sleepyhead since he was born and did have it in between us in our KS bed. However, the last few nights we've been experimenting with putting him down in the next2me crib without the sleepyhead. Not observed much difference. Neither setup is working.

So he may go down for an hour at first or it might take a while of swinging, jiggling, patting, shhhing, more boob to get him off. When we put him down he can be asleep from anything from 10 minutes to an hour. Very rarely any longer and never longer than 2 hours. When he wakes I feed him and he will fall asleep on the breast after 1 boob. I then wait until I think he is properly asleep and try to put him down again. If he wakes when I do this, which he usually does, we try to reassure him in his crib/SH by patting, shhhhing and stroking him but this has never once worked. It always ends up with either my partner picking him up and jiggling, shhhing, patting him back to sleep or me feeding him again (or both). It can then take anything up to 2-3 hours to get him back down again and when he does go down it will never be for longer than 1-2 hours.

In the day it's a very similar story although he does nap for longer sometimes up to 3 hours in the day. Usually only in the sling or on us though never once has he napped in the day in his crib/SH.

Techniques we have tried include the 5 Ss, special swaddle gro bag, white noise and music (Ewan and playing YouTube through stereo system), sling, dummy, pram (he hates his car seat and cries when in the car). I have also tried feeding lying down and co-sleeping with him in the bed. This doesnt have him sleeping any longer than when in his crib/SH.

I am EBF and we really don't want to introduce formula unless we really have to.

The silver lining is when he is not overtired he is an incredibly happy and content baby. He can sit for long stretches in his bouncer looking about, smiling and cooing. In fact he is constantly looking about even when he's crying.

I feel like we are the only parents with a baby sleeping this little! All the other threads seem to at least get their babies down for a good stretch during the night.

I'm starting to worry it is either something we are doing wrong or he has some kind of birth trauma. We had a long, tricky labour and he was eventually born via ECS after 3 hours of pushing and attempted forceps.

If anyone has any suggestions or can see where we might be going wrong please reply!

xx

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ElizabethThornton · 07/08/2017 14:06

Just saw your last update. In evening time most baby sleep that happens as the result of a feed isn't really sleep and someone like the Baby Whisperer would predict baby will be awake again within 10 mins. It's not real sleep.

YorkieDorkie · 07/08/2017 14:09

Normal. Normal. Normal.
Completely normal!

Sorry Brew it's hard going but have a 'loose' bedtime routine until you start to see a bit of a pattern.

FATEdestiny · 07/08/2017 14:19

If he's put down after feed he'll either wake straight away or within 10 mins max.

This is the norm, as HT85 said. The way to get baby to stay asleep independantly is by mastering the resettle at this point, once a well fed, well winded baby is put down and stirs (which most babies do).

This is where dummy comes into play. And swaddle. And a hand on baby's chest to recreate baby feeling you next to them.

So where in this process do you swaddle?

I would:

  • Breastfeed, if at home with top off to allow for lots of skin contact
  • into swaddle
  • onto your shoulder to wind and sway
  • Return to breast after winding for "top up" (and now swaddled). Aim to feed to sleep.
  • lift back to shoulder but probably no active winding. Aiming to allow for another burp if needed but in a calm, restful, sleep inducing way. Sway or rock for movement until you see baby is asleep
  • bend at the waist to put baby down. Kerp baby in position with full body contact until you are hovering horizontally over the mattress.
  • keep baby in position on your shoulder until about 10cm or so away from matters. Lower baby gown gently and immediately place you hand where your chest was, on baby's chest. Speed your fingers wide to recreate the feeling of baby's weight against you. Stay still.
  • as you are bend down close to the matresss, keep your face close to babies. Shushhh though any stirring.
  • I would also give dummy to allow for independant comfort sucking at this point. Face close to babies. Shushhhhh, hand on chest.
  • then just wait. Baby swaddled, dummy in, winded and fed, just stay still and wait.
fuckthis12 · 07/08/2017 14:22

I give up fate! I'm out!

Op I feel your pain. It will get better lovely and often without you doing anything. Take care x

FATEdestiny · 07/08/2017 14:30

Not sure what the flouncing is about fuckthis12 or what it has to do with me, but... urm.... bye. All the best.

fuckthis12 · 07/08/2017 14:35

I'm frustrated with some of your posts on here...as I've mentioned previously on this thread. (Sorry to hijack your thread op)
Your suggestions are very dictatorial and may not work for everyone
In fact, I once followed your advice and it almost killed me......until I showed it to a few of the sleep trainers/consultants who I used at a time of crisis and said that it was utter rubbish

Maybe you have shares in dummies?

I'm merely suggesting that the "advice" you give is along the lines of "this is what worked for me" not "this is what you must do"

YorkieDorkie · 07/08/2017 14:42

Christ fuckthis12 you actually followed that?? I want to blow my brains out just reading it.

fuckthis12 · 07/08/2017 14:43

Lol! I skim read it whilst parenting!!! Wink

YorkieDorkie · 07/08/2017 14:47

I would also like to point out that dummies are not generally recommended by ANY professional, least of all dentists.

FATEdestiny · 07/08/2017 15:08

Ah I see, so you're projecting too.

I come here to give my time to answer questions that are asked - because i assume when someone asks for advice it is advice they want.

I don't force my advice on anyone, people will have different opinions and thats ok. It is the very reason discussion forums exist.

There is no need to be nasty or rude on the basis of a difference of opinion. That says far more about you than it does about me.

There are probably 30 or so people who have wrote opinions snd thoughts on the opening post here. I don't agree with all of them, do you see me bleating about someone having a different opinion to me?

There ars opinions so wide and vast across the sleep board threads that there can be no other way than people who say one thing and people who disagree and think something different. It's only the odd few that flounder around sounding wounded because I (specifically me, on the whole) think something different to them.

I have different opinions to you. I get that. It makes no difference to me.

Weren't you flouncing? Run along...

I've got a Harry Potter Audio book we are trying to listen to here...

Orangebird69 · 07/08/2017 15:21

Just so you're all clear - disagreeing with FATE = projecting. 🙄

LapinR0se · 07/08/2017 15:22

Interesting you say that fuckthis12 as I also showed fate's posts to a sleep consultant who said the same thing.
Fate it is really kind to want to help people, but your advice is not always right.

FATEdestiny · 07/08/2017 16:00

*"In fact, I once followed your advice..." (and so the outcome of what happened to me must be the same outcome that will happen to the op)

= projection

"I tried with my ebfd colicky ds with dummies from day 10 FOR MONTHS. Same with swaddling. Bother refused big style" (and so the outcome of what happened to me must be the same outcome that will happen to the op)

= projection

It's not rocket science 🙄

Orangebird69 · 07/08/2017 16:12

😂😂

(and so the outcome of what happened to me must be the same outcome that will happen to the op)

I can't decide whether that's irony or hypocrisy 🤔

Orangebird69 · 07/08/2017 16:17

And I certainly wasn't saying to the OP that my experience is what hers will be FATE. I said get baby is totally normal and she's not doing anything wrong. What you've quoted me on is my response to your 'advice' - I don't need telling that what works for one baby doesn't work for the other. You do.

2014newme · 07/08/2017 16:20

All normal at six weeks!

Orangebird69 · 07/08/2017 16:20

'her' baby

FATEdestiny · 07/08/2017 16:43

These personal attacks on me are completely detailing the thread.

As always, I can carry on this battle since you have no place to devalue ny genuine help to others, it is exceptionally bad manners to the brand new to mumsnet OP.

It needs to stop, this is a help forum. Your opinions on me do not help the op. You give your help to the op. I'll give mine. That's how it works.

Are you now just staying on the thread just to attack me for trying to help others? Stop making the thread about you. It's not about you. It's not about your opinions on me. It's not about me. This thread is to help the OP and get 6 week old.

Stop the personal attacks on me.

Orangebird69 · 07/08/2017 16:51

Bore off Fate. I asked you a genuine question. You were arrogant enough to imply that if something you suffered wasn't working it was because I wasn't doing it right. And a winky emoticon is not a get out clause.

Orangebird69 · 07/08/2017 16:51

Suggested, not suffered.

FATEdestiny · 07/08/2017 17:02

Stop the personal attacks on me.

I don't know what bit of the thread ypu are talking about there. I also don't care and your opinions on me won't change anything.

This thread is not about you.

Stop the personal attacks. They do not help the op. This is a help board.

YorkieDorkie · 07/08/2017 17:05

They aren't personal attacks on you... they are genuinely concerned posts about the advice you're giving to a new parent. I really hope the OP consults with a professional about this and not you.

LapinR0se · 07/08/2017 17:06

I'm actually quite glad that someone is taking you to task Fate as your advice is not that helpful really. Some of it is sound, some of it is nonsense and some of it is dangerous.
I agree this thread is not the best place to do it however and I hope the OP has had some advice she can use.

Anatidae · 07/08/2017 17:11

Some like dummies, some don't. Some like swaddles, some don't (mine never took to either.)

Best advice I can give you is that all this is totally totally normal. Keep them down with you in the evening, cluster feed, let them doze or whatever. If you want a couple of hours kip then dh needs to take him.

Infavol wont help. Because there really isn't a problem (from the baby's point of view.) it's a problem for us as parents because sleep deprivation plus a job is fucking brutal.

I went through hell with sleep deprivation. What did I learn?

It's normal. Just about
Very little you can do can change it past tinkering around the edges. Good bedtime routine from 3-4 m is a good idea. Light days and dark nights is good from the off. But past that, you're pushing against something that probably won't change.
It will change with time
Work around it not against it.

So tonight, settle down on the sofa, watch got (tits and dragons) and feed, doze and then when you go up take them with you.

This too will pass, it really will.

And FATE gave me some pretty good support when I was in utter no sleep hell. Mine never took a dummy or liked swaddles but her advice was welcome and useful.

I hope you get some kip, op

FartnissEverbeans · 07/08/2017 17:41

This thread has been completely derailed and I imagine to the OP the overall impression will be that she has a huge problem on her hands when of course she doesn't.

I'm not going to argue with Fate because her advice has been invaluable to me in the past and completely changed the way I thought about baby sleep (especially wake times).

OP, I'm a FTM as well and I'm far from an expert an any aspect of baby care. But I've got two things to add:

  1. What's happening to you is normal. A lot of people have mentioned the fact that you're EBF as a factor; my baby was EFF but he was exactly the same at this age. I think it was around six weeks that he first slept for a full three hours and I could have wept with joy!
  2. You'll work something out eventually and things will improve and you'll be delighted. Then something will change - maybe you'll start weaning - and it'll all be fucked again 👍🏻

Congratulations on your new baby Flowers It's all worth it a million times Smile

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