'Sleep is for the Weak' for anyone with August/Sep 06 DC's

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GM, Cruise and anyone else with LO's born around August/September 06' - this is a support thread for when you have no clue as to why your LO is doing the exact opposite to what they were doing last week and when you are thinking WTF????
Post on here and we shall all compare notes and comfort each other!!

omg, last night dh told me to leave lo alone to grumble himself to sleep, obviously go in if he is in distress, and not rush in if he stirs just give him time to go off again. ds1 used to grumble himself to sleep. well did this today and he got himself to sleep within about 15 mins and slept for 1 1/4 hours and is asleep again in buggy now despite stirring, got himself back off again. yesterday he was impossible so I am wondering if he gets more excited at weekends with dh around and ds1 more excited.

fleecy - ditto the growth spurt? as our 4 month olds seem to be on a constant "growth spurt" I think we forget they exist! i hear you re won't take any more in day...v annoying...mine gets so distracted esp with ds1 around

cruise - we had to do pu/pd with lo to sleep in cot, have you tried this? they do cry but you are in the room with them reassuring and comforting them. also as said above lo does grumble a bit before he drops off, we call it is "sleep noises" and he keeps turning his head into the mattress. also have you tried positioning? i know it's not the done thing but lo will ONLY sleep in cot if on his side. sleeping on side or tummy are supposed to be calming for babies whereas on their backs stimulates their "falling" reflex. I put a rolled up towel each side of him to stop him rolling onto his tummy and he hasn't done this yet. lol at his excitement at seeing his bowl! can't wait to wean lo, feel sorry for him having to watch us eat and not have any, but he is only on 25th percentile and no weight gain problems so no reason to start early. I loved doing all the steaming and pureeing for ds1! we had bags of every fruit and veg imaginable in the freezer and I would mix'n'match so he could try all sorts of flavours

DH had a horrible night last night - DS2 awake from 11:30 to midnight then again EVERY 15 MINUTES until 4:30 when he was awake for the day!! Went downstairs to relieve DH and feed DS2 at 5:30 as per usual, saw the light on in the living room, asked "what are you doing up?" and got the whole sad story. Ugh!! Was just thinking maybe we could start sleeping in the same bed again, but nope ... HOPING it's a growth spurt, b/c he ate 10 oz this morning!

Fleecy - My DS2 (nearly 5 mos) is SO not interested in food. I try to entice him by having him watch me eat my oatmeal every morning & making "mmm" sounds, but he could care less.

Cruise - I hope you answered with "So ... you see why I need Mumsnet?!" ... or something like that! Grr.

DH likes my Mumsnet activity b/c it has triggered conversations about cultural differences, gas prices and the benefits/pitfalls of insurance-based medical care. Honesty ... is a part of my personality I just can't turn off. I wish I did like babies under 6/7 mos; it's what society expects of women and it would certainly have made my life to this point - especially at this point - much easier. Children were just drawn to DH and he has always really enjoyed them, while the first baby I ever held was DS1 in hospital

Loving DS1 at 3 though ... he is very into music ... nothing warms my heart more than hearing Ring of Fire and "Hey - I know that song! It's 'Johnny the Cash'!" from the backseat.

marls _ I am off to bed but just wanted to send much sympathy re: your dh's disasterous night . What are these lo's up to???????
Wishing you dreamfilled nights and energetic days

Hope it is just a growth spurt - my excuse for any kind of change in behaviour! She didn't eat much over the weekend but had five 7-8oz bottles yesterday plus 6oz prune juice (she gets constipated - don't usually give her that much but had a spare juice and no milk made up ). So appetite seems to be back.

We had a good night last night. Thanks to her jabs! She had them in the afternoon and had a few really grizzly hours, crying on and off and a little feverish. She didn't have this after the first two sets so a new and unpleasant experience! Because she was in a tizz she didn't go down well last night - up lots between 8-11 but I went to bed and left dh to settle her . Was expecting a really rough night but dh gave her calpol before her dream feed and she slept until 6.30! Tempting to try that every night... Guess there is an upside to the jabs!

Marls - sorry about your night. Here's hoping it's a growth spurt and doesn't last any longer than a day or two. Tops! I'll be thinking of you when dd wakes tonight - does anyone else do that? When I'm up in the night I think of all the other mums trying desperately to get their little ones back to sleep and hop back into bed themselves for some more well earned rest. Makes it slightly easier when you know you're not the only one!

marls - was there something in the air last night? we had the night from hell too! also I feel the same way about babies under 6 months - loved ds1 and thought he was amazing but can't honestly say I enjoyed him much till he got to that age...

anyway - our night went as follows:

8pm - fed to sleep on our bed but put down in cot awake. went down ok.
woke up soon after. grumbled self to sleep.
woke up again and cried for a bit but went back to sleep.
12am - drained a 3oz bottle of ebm. took ages to go back down. I say to dh maybe he is still hungry, dh doesn't think so. eventually goes back to sleep.
1.43am - wakes crying. I try to feed him but he bobs on and off breast. give up and get up to see if it's his nappy bothering him. is sick all over the carpet, self and me (tmi but v flemmy - has cough). change him, lo gets into a state. eventually goes back to sleep in cot 2.40am.wakes again can't even remember when. bring him back into bed and takes a feed.
5am wakes again but does not want feed. cries and cries. dh takes him downstairs. eventually brings him back up and puts him between us on bed. lo dozes.
wakes again (when? 6.45?) and I sit up to feed him as his nose is a bit stuffy. takes a good feed. lay him down again and eventually we drift off to sleep.
7pmish - ds1 comes in and makes loads of noise on the bed till lo and I give up and get up about 8am.

is now 9.30am and have been trying to get lo back to sleep since 8am as he is still mega-tired. took his temperature - normal. am considering cancelling his jabs today as he has a cold and doesn't seem right at all judging by last night.

ds2 seems to have sensed the bad night vibes and has been playing up all morning (won't go to toilet by self, doesn't want beaker of squash already prepared for him wants another one...god help me with 3 year olds). and true to form I have got angry with him

feel frustrated and guilty

fleecy - hey maybe I should take him for the jabs after all! or just give the calpol regardless ...medised works miracles (not called "sed" for no reason) however lo sleeps so well on this it mucks up her sleep on other days - you can't win!

his sleep even. god I am so sleep deprived...

No worries - I've just posted three times on a different thread - one original post, a second to correct a typo in it and a third to correct the correction. Stoopid computers!

lol

you've got to laugh haven't you. have apologised to ds1 and he got a chocolate roll out of me for breakfast to appease the guilt

Mind if I join in? My daughter was born at the end of July so she's not quite an August/September 2006 baby.

But she's driving me mad on the sleep front! I thought it was dummy related (see other post!) but I'm not sure as last night she was waking up crying even when it was in her mouth

I really could do with some moral support! I'm bringing her to an osteopath today in the hope that they might help. Fingers crossed..

Marls - I had the type of night last night that your husband had on Sunday night! I'm a zombie today..

my dd2 seemed to be settling at night,but last 3 nights have been a nightmare,I know its been cold,but she 's been well wrapped up,but she wont go in her cot,so been in bed all night,on & off breast.I feel awful.....help.My dp is too big & takes up too much space for this to work..then he snores,all night when I'm trying to get back to sleep,curled up around the baby!!!!ahhhhh.

mammyT - I took our lo to see an osteopath also as he wouldn't be put down from birth and hates lying on his back. Just wanted to rule out any pain he might be in. we had 2 sessions, he said he was fine suggested shock and insecurity after his planned section birth and massaged him. couldn't see any difference tbh but I'm glad I took him just for peace of mind. we had to do pick up/put down from the baby whisperer to be able to put him down at ALL anywhere unless he was in car/buggy and in motion. it did work as he went down OK in cot eventually and is improving with time and consistency. we went from pick up to pat/shhhh and now he settles best if we leave him alone even if he is grumbling - would of course go in if he was crying his heart out. he has to grumble himself to sleep atm. will not take a dummy but I'm glad really as ds1 still has his and he is 3!

redbeki - I find lo is worse when he is in bed with me, even though I enjoy it . on saturday we moved him into his own room in his cot and got dh to give him a bottle of ebm for the first feed of the night (about 12/1am) and he settled for another 3 hours after that which is mega good for him. since then we have had another good night then one very bad night last night...I am wondering if he is getting confused between sucking to sleep (on me in my bed) and settling himself in cot. Know which one I would prefer if I were him but he does sleep better on his own...

hi, havent looked in on this thread for a while as dd seemed to be improving on the sleep front...ha! last night and the past week has seemed a lot like many of yours nights over the last week and eventually i went to bed so wouldnt have to keep running up and down the stairs. anyone else do that? kiera and redbeki, i also found that my dd sleeps worse when in with us, although resorted to it at 4am this morn. think its cos shes literally got boob on tap! i wonder if thats part of the problem because when i went out on sat night and left her with dp, she didnt wake til 10.30, so was asleep for 4 whole hours!! what is this medised? have never heard of it.

tibsey - I went out for the first time since he was born last thurs, fed him at 6pm, left dh with a bottle of ebm and came home at 11pm and he'd been asleep the WHOLE time, woke up just after I arrived!!!! He has only ever done this twice in his entire life and that was when he was sick. makes you think doesn't it.

you can get medised from any chemist. it's good for when they have colds as it has antihistamine in it as well as paracetamol which also helps them sleep ! they can have it from 3 months.

I have just discovered Medised today at the chemist and bought a supply. Believe it or not, I think my DD gets HIGH from Calpol

I gave her a dose last night (for teething) and was scraping her off the ceiling for the rest of the night.

I went to the osteopath. There doesn't seem to be anything really concrete except perhaps a tight diaphragm and wind. But she did say that we'd tackle these in two sessions and see how she is.

Keira - I'm also very sceptical except that two friends went to her with sleep problems and got results so it's worth a shot!

I have just discovered Medised today at the chemist and bought a supply. Believe it or not, I think my DD gets HIGH from Calpol

I gave her a dose last night (for teething) and was scraping her off the ceiling for the rest of the night.

I went to the osteopath. There doesn't seem to be anything really concrete except perhaps a tight diaphragm and wind. But she did say that we'd tackle these in two sessions and see how she is.

Keira - I'm also very sceptical except that two friends went to her with sleep problems and got results so it's worth a shot!

hi mammyt, would be just my luck for it to have that effect on dd. thought i'd found the miracle cure!!
i've got a windy one too and have started giving her gripe water before bed. dont know if that will work, but i'm willing to try anything. might be interesting if everyone listed the things theyve tried to get their little darlings to sleep. then again, would we have enough room? good luck with the osteopathy

mammyt, just reread post, oops, its calpol that makes your lo climb the walls. am off to chemist first thing!!! medised here we come!! has your lo been teething long, mine seems to have had symptoms for ages but nothing has appeared yet have put her down for the night without her falling asleep on the boob, so fingers x'd we'll have a better one.

grrrrr! my ds fell asleep on boob around 1.5 hrs ago. then he woke nd I have had to bring him d/s as dd is gonna be by herself again if I resettle him as dh is out AGAIN!!!!! Seem to be bringing up these lo;s alone as he has such a busy job I don;t know wht to do about eliminating boobs frmo teh bedtime ritual. Re reading NCSS and hoping for fresh...well...hope!
anyeon had any positive experience frm NCSS?

((((((((((cruise)))))))))))

Hi everyone

my dd was born on the 8th of augustand up until recently would sleep brillinatly, I think that change coincided with starting weaning (3 weeks ago) but I'm not sure (so tired I can't remember that far back)
I would have posted before but this thread grows so fast I don't have time to work out where its at before dd wakes up again and I have to go..... I'm being naughty and putting off her dream feed tonight just in case she doesn't settle down afterwards.

good luck to everyone tonight. wishing you all lots of sleep

Just looked up Medised - I think that would be the equivalent of one dose of Tylenol (paracetemol = acetaminophen) with one dose of Benadryl (antihistamine) in the US ... does anyone know? We've used both before - not usually together - to treat symptoms, but not to make DS2 sleep.

morning! cruise, have had some results using ncss (i think) can never tell if its just pure luck or something is actually working. i did however manage to get dd to fall asleep in her cot last night, was hunched over her hugging her etc and kissing her face lots (she loves that) had to get her out once for another fix of boob, but she fell asleep at 7pm in her cot and didnt wake til 12.30am. I HAD AN EVENING!!! sorry to boast but just lately, its been horrendous, as is yours by the sounds of it. she then woke again for a feed and also thought she'd like to wake up at 4.45am for the day but i brought her in with us and she fell asleep eventually (not on boob). i hope there is something in this and not just another fluke. i feel for you re. dd, although my ds is 12 and quite capable of seeing to himself, i feel guilty that on the nights his dad works late (most) i am barricaded in bedroom with dd and hes left to fend for himself. he doesnt complain, but you cant help but feel that you're neglecting them can you? hi to entropy and marls001, havent the foggiest about medised, presume it must be the antihistamine that makes them drowsy, but why do they combine it with paracetomol and what specifically is it for?