6m old up woke up every 30min..for the whole night..

[Kika1]

Hello, I've put my little girl to sleep last night and she was up every 30 min..from 8pm till morning..she would wake up after 30min,I would give her dummy,would fall asleep,spit out the dummy,30 min later up again,crying,gave dummy,spits it out in her sleep,30min later up again..went like this all night..fully up from 5.50...her usual time..I'm exhausted..she never used to be a sleeper,after she was born she was up a lot,got better ,would wake up 3-4 times at night to be bf, then she hit 12w and since then she would not sleep properly..would wake up every 2h..then it got a bit better again at 5m..she dropped 3am feed,and would only wake up around 1am and then 4am,up from6, for the past week it got worse again and I've been up for most of the nights..goes to sleep at 8,would be up at 10,11,1,3,4,5,6...and last night it got to 30min intervals..she doesn't sleep much during the day (nap at 8.30, then 11.30,and around 4pm) and only sleeps for 30min,she doesn't know hot to get from the light into deep sleep,she is very tired but will fight it. She also started to turn on her belly when 18w and since then she keeps crawling in her bed at night,I have to pin her down when putting to sleep,hold her hands, but she will keep kicking and lifting her legs until she falls asleep..changed her meals this week,replaced a bottle 150ml with a solid lunch,which she likes,and finishes all, she like to eat, and still has 4bottles a day..could it be coz of that? I just don't know how to sleep train her..we tried c crying method..didnt work,she can scream for hours and would take me then hours to calm her down..but also don't want her to get used to dummy and keep putting it in her mouth all night...she is also teething badly for the last few days,can see canine tooth,tip of the tooth at the bottom and tip of her back molar..I know they usually should have front teeth first but those teeth are there and she is biting very agressively everything and is cranky and crying a lot..so could it be the gums? Really don't know what's going on and dreading tonight..so tired can't even think properly..any ideas? I'm used to not to sleep now and usually manage on 2-3hours a day but this is just too much...

I feel for you mine went through this stage at about 9 months. Although mine would have a dummy so not sure about whether it falling out wakes them or something?
Definitely sounds like could be teeth pushing through, but that doesn't help you much.
Does she sleep in a cot at the moment? When mine went through this we started co sleeping and it helped lots not sure if you'd want to try that?

Sounds like hell!

Did you give her some calpol last night? I would assume to be waking that much she was in pain or unwell tbh.

Is she is a baby sleeping bag? I wouldn't worry at this point if she can get on her front and stays there, she might find that more comfy.

Do you give her milk over night?

I did bring her to our bed few nights ago when she woke up at 2am and would not go back to sleep..she stayed up,on her knees,crawling in our bed till 5am,very tired,fell asleep then for 50min and was then up for the day..
I've put her to bed at 8pm tonight as she's been already up twice...sounded excited..strange..gave her Ashton granules at 6 and 7 as she was crying , could it be the sugar in the granules? Also gave her 5tsp of fruit purée at 5.30, again,maybe sugar?
I def think it's her teeth, she cried a lot today, even after her food and she never cries, she loves to eat..
She has a dummy at night only, but not all night, many nights she would just spit it out and sleep for few hours without it..
10 days ago she slept from evening till 6am with no dummy , didn't wake up, first time ever...I was up waiting for her to wake up..crazy, I know.
Don't give her milk at night, used to bfeed her at 3am, but she naturally dropped it about a month ago, would eat for a minute or two and got more disturbed than anything else, would take me more than hour to put her back to sleep..
Didn't give calpol, didn't think of that. She woke up but wasn't screaming in pain, like she did few nights ago, we applied anbesol at that time and she calmed down within minutes. Yesterday she kept waking up, crying, she would go back to sleep within minute if I gave her dummy. She is also very clingy past few days.

still has 4bottles a day..could it be coz of that?

Yes. That's not enough. The amount of milk a baby has should not decrease. Solids should be on top of her milk intake, not instead of.

Milk has far, far more calories in it than purees - especially fruit/veg purees which have next to nothing calorie wise (which is why people who are dieting eat lots). Your baby needs calories, which are not given by first taste foods.

You shouldn't be replacing milk feeds with meals or solids yet. Aim for about 9 months (child dependant), when baby is on a full diet including plenty of all the food groups before milk feeds are reduced. Until then the amount of milk baby has may increase from 6-9 months, not decrease, because baby is growing and needs more calories but is not getting those calories from her solid diet yet.

I think the reason for the baby failing to enter the deep sleep stage could well have been hunger. I would have given a full bottle to baby if dummy won't settle baby into a deep sleep. Even if that meant several bottles per night. Then aim to up babys daytime milk intake significantly and massively.

I think for a baby to wake that much they must be either in pain or hungry.

Does sound like maybe she is hitting a developmental mile stone as well with all the moving around, could she be a bit over stimulated? Do you have quiet time/ relaxing bath etc in the evening?

Hello, I've replaced milk with solids at paediatricians advise...also called health visitor and she actually told me to get rid off 10 am bottle and a lunch bottle and replace with solids..which I thought was too drastic...she said give big breakfast like weetabix with milk and fruit, so she drops the mid morning bottle and then big lunch so she drops 2pm. Also said give scramble egg etc for dinner, not to give purée fruit, just give her chunks and for lunch ,dinner what we eat, she also said if we eat spicy food,can give her some...I don't do chunks as scared she would choke, I cook her meals fresh and all fruit is fresh made too. I've increased her evening bottle by another oz, and was worried that maybe I'm giving her too much and she is uncomfortable..she does plenty of poo a day (3-5), plenty of wet nappies, putting on weight ..
She gets very tired in the evening,as not enough of sleep and she is constantly moving during the day, won't sit still for one minute, just wants to explore everything..we do bath her in the evening,she loves it and get excited when she sees the bath...then she has a bottle and goes to sleep. Usually falls asleep quickly, but then 30min later she is up. When I give her dummy in the middle of night she immediately goes back to sleep, if I wait and she starts crying,she wakes up fully and then takes hours to put her back to sleep.
She was a bit better last night, woke up again around 11,then her usual 1pm,3.30,4,fully up from 5.50..so better than night before..she is usually happy in the morning, and always smiles when she sees us in the morning..

How much milk in total is baby having a day?

A fully weaned baby/toddler on a varied diet with 3 meals a day and snacks should still be having 1 pint (1 pint is 21 oz I think?) per day until 2 years old.

A baby takes time to become fully weaned and taking all the food groups in decent proportions, which is why milk reduction is usually a gradual thing over a few months.

Explain to me what harm you think giving your baby extra milk on top of the full diet she already has will do? I am not suggesting you reduce the amount of food she is having and give milk instead. I am suggesting it might be worth maintaining both. Just in the short term while baby learns to cope with all the digestive changes.

I recall the weeks following me first weaning my DD when she was 6 months. Finding the time in the day to still give all her bottles and also fit in 3 meals felt like a logistical nightmare. I remember feeling like she was always eating or drinking for a time.

Something is causing the wake ups. Has her sleep got any better? Maybe she just was/is poorly? The cause of that much of an extreme disturbed night is likely to be down to hunger or pain.

So if not hunger - could the pain actually be from the other extreme, over eating? Remember that her digestive system has only needed to cope with milk until now. If she has gone from a milk only diet to 3 meals quickly (rather than a gradual introduction) this could be difficult for her digestion to cope with. It is all new to her body and so could maybe be causing her tummy pain?

I was just reading your post and noticed this: as not enough of sleep and she is constantly moving during the day

Over-tiredness can cause disturbed nights. This could be nothing to do with food/milk. Maybe try to work on helping her get some daytime sleep.

Good daytime sleep = better nighttime sleep

I would be trying to get her to sleep after about 2 hours awake (max) at this age. I would actually expect tired signs from maybe 90 minutes after waking, even 60 minutes if she's had a bad night. So look out for those signs.

Thanks. She has 630ml of milk, I increased her night milk to 6oz few day ago, and was thinking about increasing the other 3bottles from 5oz to 6 as well. She has milk at 7am,8fruit,10 milk,1.15 lunch-solids,3.15-3.30 milk,5.30 tsp joghurt with fruit,7.15-7.30pm milk. She was introduced to solids gradually, only added lunch last week as adviced...thought I'm doing the right thing..that doc and hv know what they r saying...and she loves her lunches now..feel like can't take it away from her now..
She does get overtired, I do try to put her to sleep during the day but she fights it, just been trying for the last 30min..she usually gets tired after 1.5h , especially after a bad night and I do try but many times she just won't go and gets overtired..she was better last night..her usual waking ups..

Glad to hear she is sleeping better.

I would just do what is needed to get me and baby as much night sleep as possible. If that means taking half an hour to give a night feed and then a decent chunk of sleep, to me that is far more preferable than constant regular wake ups.

A 11pm feed may help.

Is your daughter emptying the bottles you give her? This is a sure sign that she wants more milk. I was making 8oz bottles by 6 months old, they weren't always finished but this meant there was always enough milk for her. Five or six bottles a day.

Be guided by your baby rather than anything else. If she is telling you she is hungry - then it doesn't really matter what anyone else is telling you, she is hungry.

Thanks Fatedestiny. She doesn't know when to finish,we have to control it,she woul just eat and eat and then puke, that's why we always needed some guidelines how much to give and believe me it's always been very stressful whether we give to much and then she was sick,had cramps or we don't enough to...but I will increase her bottles and see what happens. She always been a light sleeper, my stomach would ramble or knee cracks , oe heating comes on at night and she can hear the water in rediators, oe kettle in the kitchen retch.anything and she would wake up. Got to the point I won't even go to bathroom at night so she can sleep for a bit..so tired from not sleeping that trying anything..

My baby is doing this. He's not hungry and we're losing our minds.