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4 month sleep regression- oh.my.god.

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hazel88 · 19/06/2015 21:52

So my DD has just hit the 4 month sleep regression hard. It sucks. It really sucks. for a short while she had been doing 6 hour chunks for the first part of the night followed by 1 or 2 wakings after. On the rare occasion she would just wake up once for a feed then that was it. BLISS. She's now waking up more times than I can count and I'm wondering if she'll ever sleep better again. I know about the 4 month sleep regression inside-out but would really appreciate experiences from others who have either gone through it or are going through it. I need some sanity restored...please?!

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zombiemeow · 27/07/2015 21:10

Hazel that's great news it's going well Grin but sorry your feeling down Sad have you decided what to do about work? Does your manager know about the twats people that made you uncomfortable? I have to go back to work (a new job) next month SadSadSad I'm so depressed about it! And it's a crappy job Hmm

What are wonder weeks?

We have had an AWFUL day today Confused ds had about 2 10 min naps and one 5 min nap. He got so tired by 6 o clock I started his bed time routine. He wouldn't sleep, then he started with the screaming, half 7 he was still awake and screaming on and off rubbing his eyes and stuff so dm turned up to see if she could settle him. He eventually went to sleep at 8.30 Sad

Tbh it kind of made me feel a bit better as I was worried he was associating me with screaming etc and that he didn't like me much Blush as he's all smiles for dh, but he was screaming and screaming, I went to do the sterilising and when I came in he just stopped screaming (dm was holding him) smiled at me and went to sleep Blush

Penguin13 · 28/07/2015 06:08

Hazel does your DP know how you feel? I think you need to be frank with him if you haven't been already. Is it possible he doesn't know just how bad you feel?

I am dreading then return to work too, I need to find a new job closer to home as my old one is a two hour commute away and it's just not feasible to be so far from childcare if I am needed. Is a change of job an option for you?

Zombie sorry you had such a difficult day, it is so hard when they don't sleep properly in the day as not only are you stressing about the lack of sleep you get no respite when they are at their grumpiest. Glad you managed to settle him eventually. How was your night?

2 wakes here at 1.45 and 5 am. Happy with that. REALLY worried that going to my parents for a few days today is going to screw everything up though!

How is it going Sycamore?

Any news RP? Have you continued with CC?

hazel88 · 28/07/2015 07:22

Zombie, yeah my boss does know about the birches who I work with- others have left because of them! She's pretty useless though. I have an app with the GP next week. I think I might go off sick at this rate then look for another job closer to home while I'm off (I work quite far from where I live and dds nursery). I phoned HR who said that I could move to another NHS Trust within the 3 month period I need to return to work to ensure that I don't have to pay back my mat pay- so that's great.

Wonder weeks are typical developmental leaps where babies acquire new skills and often have a predictable amount of time before each skill emerges where they're extra cranky, clingy etc. Google it, or even better, download the app it's great, it predicts your baby's leaps and dds have pretty much been spot on since birth. The previous one was linked to the sleep regression. This one is due to last about 4 weeks I think Confused. Some people say they don't really notice it with their babies, but others do and I certainly have with dd!

Wow, sorry to hear about the awful naps yesterday. I hope it made for a better night?

I understand how you feel about thinking your DS only screams with you, it's hurtful and you think 'but I'm your Mummy I'm meant to be the one you want to be with!' It is kind of reassuring to see them the same with others, although it's not nice! Don't take it personally, my DD is a monster when she's sleep deprived.

Penguin, I think he does understand how I feel but maybe not the severity of my feelings sometimes. I told DM last night about my app I've booked with the Dr, and she said that she doesn't think I do have depression. I thought 'but you have no idea how I truly feel and that I'm in bits during the day sometimes, that I worry myself with how low I get and that I'm still in my pyjamas struggling to do even the most basic of tasks throughout the day'. I'm getting irritable and am snapping so easily, I can feel my blood boiling over the most pathetic of things. I'll tell my GP exactly how I'm feeling-if I knew I didn't have to return to my job I'd feel so much better.

Wow a 2 hour commute that's bloody hard. Are you able to leave your job before returning without having to repay mat pay or anything? Hope you manage to find something else soon.

2 wake ups is great!! I would try not to worry about going away, we were really worried about our trip to London with staying in a hotel with dd. But we were pleasantly surprised and she did so well. We tried our utmost to stick to her usual routine and when she was due a nap we went for a drive or went back to the hotel, then rigidly stuck to the bedtime routine. I packed up everything from her cot- bedding, teddies, white noise machine etc so it was as close to that what she has at home with familiar smells. it also helped having the room very cool then making her snug (I think it's meant to get quite cool overnight for the next few nights). Hope you enjoy your time away.

We had 1 wake up at 1am, then dd was ready to get up at 5.15 after she had done a poo...happy with that! I don't mind getting up at that time when she goes down at 7 and only wakes once during the night! Going to try and get my act together soon, get ready and get out for some fresh air.

A bit off-topic, but if any of you are weaning, when you give solids do you give milk straight after or in between solids?! I've heard such conflicting advice. DD currently has milk in between solids but I don't know if that's a good idea as she's eating/feeding every 2 hours Hmm

Hope everyone has a good day

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hazel88 · 28/07/2015 07:22

woops...the *bitches (not birches!)

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zombiemeow · 28/07/2015 08:23

Two is great penguin! That is a long commute though Confused are your employers flexible with leaving? I was meant to ask, how did you find your co? Did you just google it or were they recommended?

Hazel, we had someone like that at my work Angry the amount of complaints made about her and nothing was done, lots of people left because of her, two new people only lasted one day because of her Blush she used to like me then she turned on me as I refused to get involved in her bullying. I found out the only way to get her to leave me and other people alone was to just answer her back. She didn't like that, but I got quite good at it, it soon shut her upGrin maybe you would feel happier with the transfer, if I were you I'd have a bit of time off to think about it.

Am going to look for the app, is it just called wonder weeks?

Our night wasn't too bad, we had around 3 dummy runs, a feed around 4am and up at 7. He's tired now though and refusing to nap. He's just lying flat out on the floor watching TV Blush

With the feeding (ds is still having milk every 3 hours) to get breakfast in I reduced his 4am bottle and then offer breakfast as soon as he gets up before milk, if I gave him milk first there's no way I get breakfast in! Then he has a bottle around 11 so has lunch around 12.30, then dinner can be tricky but if it gets close to dinner time and he wants milk I give him a small bottle then his dinner, then if he is still hungry after I would give him more milk. If any of that makes sense. We had problems as he completely went off food, it was because he was getting too full up on his milk. He used to have 9oz bottles but I reduced it to 8 oz, he now has about 7oz and 6 at night which I'm hoping to keep reducing.

hazel88 · 28/07/2015 08:36

Thanks for the solids advice Smile

Sounds like your night wasn't bad!

The app is called Baby Wonder Weeks Milestones I think.

That's good that you managed to give that woman a taste of her own medicine! I would try answering back but it was all of them against me. They all slagged each other off behind their backs and the minute one of them walked out of the room they would all gather around one of the desks to have a bitch. I don't think I stood a chance really by getting pregnant! I was referred to as an animal many times! Angry

DD is SO whiney today!! She's squealing like a pig! Off out for some fresh air soon I reckon!

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zombiemeow · 28/07/2015 11:18

Hazel that sounds awful HmmI'm amazed how these people get away with acting like that at work.

I'm officially about to go insane. Ds is so so so tired but if I pick him up he just screams and screams, if I put him down he gets off his bean bag and rolls about whining. I managed to get him to sleep once but he woke after 10 mins as I had put him down.

I have found a co place that do free assessments for babies to say whether they think it would be beneficial, although I bet even if they think it won't they will say it will work wonders! It's the only place I could find round here. I googled it and someone recommended it on netmums

hazel88 · 28/07/2015 11:31

Where does he usually sleep at night? Do you have a cot? Dd was like that-she would just scream anywhere. in the end as she was so desperately in need of sleep I turned to cc and always put her down in the cot with a comforter or my shirt so i knew she was safe and couldn't go anywhere. She is so so grumpy when tired and a totally different child once she can get some good sleep. If you can drive will he sleep in the car?

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zombiemeow · 28/07/2015 11:32

He sleeps in his bean bag during the day I tried the cot but he would always wake up after 15 mins and act wide awake then just scream.

I can drive but he usually takes a good 30-60 mins of driving to get him to sleep Confused

hazel88 · 28/07/2015 11:53

I have so not driven around for hours on end just to get DD to sleep Blush

I don't really know what to suggest Sad other than some form of sleep training and I know that's not for everyone. It really does send you round the bloody bend doesn't it? You just think 'you're so bloody tired why can't you just go to sleep?!' Really hope he settles soon so you can both get some rest Brew Thanks

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zombiemeow · 28/07/2015 12:02

after a lot of screaming and squirming I have just managed to get him to sleep Confused I'm terrified to put him down now though!

I once drove for 1hr 30 mins to get him to sleep, round in circles people were looking at me like I was mad. Then he fell asleep so I drove home, second the car was off he woke up Blush

hazel88 · 28/07/2015 12:07

Well done for getting him off to sleep, hope he has a good lengthy nap!

DD falls asleep as soon as the ignition is off too Hmm the amount of times I've had drive thru McDonald's lunch just so I didn't have to stop!

I got to the point of being so nervous of putting her down, it was taking over my life worrying so much and constantly trying to get her to sleep Sad

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zombiemeow · 28/07/2015 13:39

I think that's the point I'm at now hazel Confused we've had a huge improvement with night sleeps (he was waking up every 30/60 mins. But the days seem to be getting worse.

He slept for about 10 mins Blush it would of been longer but do rang and said he was stranded and needed a lift Angry he was fast asleep so I carried him to the car but he woke up as soon as I put him in his seat and stayed awake since Hmm if was a 30 min drive so was hoping he would just fall back to sleep but no Hmm

zombiemeow · 28/07/2015 13:44

Saying that I think he's just fallen asleep after his bottle Grin

He hasn't had any lunch today as he was just too tired Confused

Sycamore76 · 28/07/2015 18:35

Hi everyone ,
Sorry for the lack of contact , I have had a tiring few days (well even more tiring ) .
Hazel - sorry to hear you are feeling down . Do you have family that can give you a break ? Maybe so something nice with hubby . May help a little . I don't mean to be patronising as I know depression is hard . Glad you are getting more sleep. Did you switch to cc on the end ? Did pupd stop working ?
Ds has been poorly with a chest infection so has been on antibiotics which contains can E number that has sent him loopy ! He turned into a hyperactive lunatic so it's bed. Stressful ! Thank fully he is calming down now . Dds sleep has been awful but she did sleep 8-12 midnight last night but was then up every two hours . I think I have to stick it out until she is old enough to sleep train . I guessi have to wait until six months . She is five months next week so I am thinking of weaning get as she is constantly hungry .
Zombie - have you tried a sling for naps ? Ds sleeps in the baby bjorn if she is extra clingy and if means I can get on with stuff. She still has half am hour naps every couple of hours. Glad you are getting some good sleep at night though .
Penguin , wow the nights are getting much better for you , which is great .

Sycamore76 · 28/07/2015 18:36

This blinkin phone. ! Sorry about the incoherent post .

hazel88 · 28/07/2015 19:12

Oh Sycamore sorry to hear you've had a rough time, wishing your LO better ASAP.

Thank you, can't really get a break at the moment as there's so much going on. Might feel better after seeing the GP. My mood has been a lot better today Smile Yes we went to CC as PUPDCD was working but not well enough, boy has CC been our saviour! it hasn't been half as hard for any of us as I thought it would be-most importantly it hasn't been as hard on DD as I thought it would be. Wendy Dean suggests you can do it from 4 months, DD has just turn 5 months and we've been doing it for just over a week. She is SO much better to put down, it's just a case of going in to the bedroom, closing the curtains, white noise machine and monitor on then I put her down and kiss her on the head saying 'bedtime' and walk out. She chews on her muslin cloth as her comforter and I rarely have to go back up after the first 5 mins that Wendy suggests you do the first check. If you feel comfortable enough to do it I would absolutely recommend it. 2 weeks ago we sometimes had 10 wake ups in one night, last night was just once which she has done several times since starting cc a week ago. Some nights doing a 6, 7 or 8 hour chunk for the first part of the night. She is weaning though and I try to feed her up during the day- particularly the afternoon. I went by the controlled crying method in Wendy Dean's The Sleep System book.

Hope everyone has had a good day?

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Sycamore76 · 28/07/2015 19:36

Thanks Hazel . I am glad your mood was better today . Not sure if I mentioned this but we started off doing pupd with ds but Wendy advised me to switch as it wasn't working for us, one night I did it got three hours !
I will just go straight to cc this time as I need quick results or ds will suffer in the night . I need to wait until weaning is established though as I don't want her to go hungry. I am ebf at the moment as she is cmpi and hates the prescribed formula , had to introduce formula at five months with my son as he was constantly hungry and I think dd is the same as she eats frequently throughout the day . So pleased sleep is better for you , it will take a while to catch up !

hazel88 · 28/07/2015 19:55

Oh I see, I didn't realise that's what had happened for you before. Well yeah definitely give weaning a go then when you're all ready as well as the cc. I think it usually takes between 3-10 days of being very consistent before you see results. I thought cc sounded horrific but it's nothing like the torture it sounds. Hope you're able to grab a coffee and put your feet up Brew

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zombiemeow · 28/07/2015 20:15

I have tried the sling, it used to work a treat but now he just wriggles and wants to be moving in it. He will only nap lying on my lap Confused

But earlier I managed to get him to sleep for 1 hr 30 mins!!! I put him down after 30 min and he woke up so I held him again then after 1 hr 15 mins I was about to wet myself so I put him down and he woke up 15 mins later. He was still tired but it was getting quite late so I didn't try and get him back asleep again.

Then he was so tired by 6 I couldn't keep him up, he was falling asleep on his playmat. So I got him ready for bed, fed him and he was asleep for 6 Blush I think the nap really helped him but that is a bit early for him to be going to bed. We have had 1 dummy run so far but we're by a long road and on Tuesday's all the really fucking loud motorbikes race along it which doesn't help!

hazel88 · 28/07/2015 20:26

Wow well done on the long nap Zombie! That's great. Oh shit, bloody motorbikes!

When anyone such as the bin men dare to come outside the house I'm silently cursing them and calling them every name under the sun in case they wake dd up Blush

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hazel88 · 28/07/2015 20:33

Wow well done on the long nap Zombie! That's great. Oh shit, bloody motorbikes!

When anyone such as the bin men dare to come outside the house I'm silently cursing them and calling them every name under the sun in case they wake dd up Blush

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hazel88 · 28/07/2015 20:35

Wow well done on the long nap Zombie! That's great. Oh shit, bloody motorbikes!

When anyone such as the bin men dare to come outside the house I'm silently cursing them and calling them every name under the sun in case they wake dd up Blush

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Sycamore76 · 28/07/2015 20:47

Zombie ! That is a long nap , I can't remember the last time dd napped more than 30 mins. Dd is always in bed between 6-630pm so I can do story time with ds before his bedtime at 7pm. Mind you she never blinkin stays asleep though but usually enough time for me to spend some time with ds . It's stressful with another kid in the mix ! He has woken her up on a few occasions Confused

hazel88 · 28/07/2015 20:49

Oops sorry for the multiple post! It wouldn't send!

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