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We met Andrea Grace - here is the aftermath

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lucidlady · 27/08/2012 15:34

I've posted several times about my 10 month old DD's appalling night time sleep habits. She woke up roughly every 90 minutes during the night and the only way I could get her back to sleep would be to feed her. She also used to end up in our bed every night as well, and I would then be wide awake from about 3am onwards. I'm back at work FT and the sleep deprivation has been absolute murder.

In desperation, I have read just about every sleep book there is on the market. Controlled crying is not an approach that I am comfortable with, I just cannot stand leaving DD to cry hysterically. It makes my boobs ache and my heart weep. Yes I am a wimp.

Andrea Grace is one of the only books I've read that doesn't immediately promote controlled crying as the only solution. I also read the No Cry Sleep Solution but I have the attention span of a sleep deprived gnat, and I couldn't seem to figure out what I actually had to do. After one particularly awful night where DD screamed from 1am - 5am I announced to DH that I was going to go and see Andrea Grace.

She asks you to keep a sleep diary and send this to her before the appointment. I have been tracking DD's sleep since she was days old so I was able to send her way too much sleep data. DD and I went to see her last week, and in a nutshell, this is what she told us to do:

  1. Re-affirm the bedtime routine.
  2. Cut the nighttime breastfeeds.
  3. Do not take DD out of her cot into our bed.


All sounds great doesn't it? I was more interested in HOW exactly she thought I would achieve this. She said that I should push the bedtime routine back - I was giving the bath far too early. Also, I was to stop DD falling asleep on the boob. Andrea suggested waking her up to read her a story if this happened - the same story needs to be read every night. And then once DD has had her milk and her story, put the light out, say sleepy time (or similar) and pop her in the cot. Once this happens, I am to sit near DD, cuddling and stroking while she is in the cot is allowed but I cannot take her out of the cot again unless she is sick etc. If she wakes in the night, I am to cuddle or stroke her but not lift her out.

Night 1: DD took an hour to settle down to sleep at 8pm. Woke 45 mins later, just needed a quick pat and went back over. Woke again at 1.30am, took an hour to settle back to sleep then slept til 6.40am.

Night 2: Took 22 mins to settle down at 8pm, slept til 2.30am. 20 mins to go to sleep then slept til 3.38am. More or less awake and screaming until 5.09am then slept until woken up at 8.35am.

Night 3 (also known as the worst night of my life): Took an hour to settle from 7.45pm. Woke up at 10.10pm, back over at 10.25 and slept til 2.05am. Absolute hysterics. Back down at 3.10 then awake every hour from 4am onwards for up to 15 mins.

Night 4: An hour to settle from 8pm. Slept until 2am. Back over at 2.07am and then slept until 6.45am...

No doubt I have now jinxed everything but I am feeling much more positive today. I'll update again in a few days.
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RainbowBlue · 12/09/2012 03:21

Oh and she's 8 months now, teething and learning to crawl

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BartiiMus · 12/09/2012 10:43

Oh I feel your pain rainbow ! DS went through (horribly long) phases of waking every hour or less in the night.

DS was walking at 10 months and I really think that his quick physical development (from rolling, to sitting up, to crawling, to standing, to cruising, to walking all in a few months) had a huge negative impact on his sleep.

Have you tried co-sleeping just to get some more sleep or even just rest? I never wanted to co-sleep but found that it actually helped. I didn't sleep much better but just lying down all night was bliss.

Also, DS was rolling all over the place - so when in his cot he'd bump into the sides and wake up. In our bed (DH was relegated to a mattress on DS' floor!) DS could roll a lot further and in fact it meant he woke up less.

I still woke up a fair bit but like I said, could stay lying down which was great.

I can't remember when we started co-sleeping (and it was always part way through the night when I was fed up with getting up all the time and was on my knees with exhaustion) but we did it until DS was about 11 months and last week started this technique.

And it is working (especially at bedtime but not so great in the night yet). However I know for certain this would not have worked any early as he was so active in his sleep. Self-settling wasn't his main problem - it was waking up so often!

Now I can put him down and when he wakes 3, 4, 5 hours later he is still in the same position whereas before whenever he woke up 30, 40, 60 minutes later he was all over the place.

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BartiiMus · 12/09/2012 10:46

jan have you tried pushing bedtime back a bit later?

Or maybe just take a book in with you and let her mess about whilst you read? At least then you've something to take your mind off it?

Can't think of anything else I'm afraid. I always think I've found soething that works and two days later the goalposts have moved!

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abadoo · 14/09/2012 12:48

Gem, inspired by all the posts above (thanks lucid and all the others for the supportive posts), I decided to cut night feeds out slowly in preparation for (eventually) putting DS down awake. He proved surprisingly adaptable and went from waking every 90 mins or so to be boobed to sleep to sleeping up to 4 hours at a time Grin (huge progress in my book) and only feeding once a night - this took 5 days all up Shock. I managed to do this by leaning over him and shushing/singing/vaguely jiggling him as if rocking in his cot and, when he was hysterical a couple of times, getting him out, calming him down then putting back in for more shushing/singing/jiggling.

We're on holiday now so it's all gone down the gurgler till I get back to London next week (crying in a travel cot you can't really soothe properly in (and the need not to wake people in nearby rooms) has meant DS is now developing a rock-to-sleep complex, oh well!) but I will be done with the book by then and the plan is in place to start properly with no night feeds and hopefully DS will get the falling asleep in his cot bit Hmm!

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GEM33 · 14/09/2012 21:32

abadoo thats amazing! once a night feed. thats something I can only dream about at the moment!!
Im ashamed to say that, I havent got round to starting the self settling yet. We have had a little progress. in that I have given medicine for reflux and also bought a sleeping bag and this combination seems to have caused a bit longer sleep early on. (still feedling to sleep). also managing to stay in the cot for most of the night. Ive started reading andrea grace book so I'll plough through as quick as i can to get my confidence up.
anyone got positive things to say about cranio osteopathy - im going to take dd for first app next week. we will try anything!!!!

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abadoo · 15/09/2012 18:54

Gem that's great that you're seeing progress, well done! I personally don't think there's any point in starting until you're ready yourself (and have a firm plan in mind), otherwise I've found I just give up in the night and go back to where I started and simply confuse my DS.

We use a sleeping bag and it was definitely better than faffing with tucking in blankets that only get kicked off. The holiday has thrown everything out of the window, as we're only at the cuddle in cot phase and I can't reach him in the travel cot properly, so I've given up and am rocking to sleep but I'll be right back to it once I get back to London.

Have tried cranio ost but not for ages... will be interested to see what others say about this.

Good luck!

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CassieF83 · 27/11/2013 11:59

Hi

My son is 7 months and sleeps from 7.30 to 6.30-7 without needing milk or cuddles he is also in his own room and has been since 4 months...HOWEVER he wakes up any where between 1 to 5 times a night crying as he wriggles so much some time when i go in he's upside down in the bed or stuck at the top of his bed diagonal once i move him back in position put his dummy back in and cover him back up he goes straight back to sleep. I know i can not stop him from moving but I need him to stop waking me up as it is sometimes very difficult for me to drift back to sleep as i have to get out of my bed and go into his bedroom. Ive even debated putting his cot back in my room!!! PLEASE HELP!!

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LambChopsRarePlease · 27/11/2013 12:30

Wow, just wow. I am aware this is a zombie thread but I have seen this woman on This Morning today.

I was pretty disgusted to be honest.

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AidanTheRevengeNinja · 27/11/2013 15:40

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cantthinkofagoodone · 27/11/2013 16:01

Cassie. Ditch the dummy! It's become a negative sleep prop x

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catellington · 04/12/2013 23:23

Lambchops that wasn't Andrea Grace. It was Katherine something. Yes rather strong views! 18mo to CIO etc.

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