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nectarina · 29/01/2012 21:03

This post is going to be massive - no apologies however.

So I've posted at least 5 queries about DD's sleep and read about 1 billion threads, because DD only napped for 30mins in the day, would only BF to sleep (since a newborn I wanted to get out of the habit, but nothing else did it). She spent the first 5 months in her cot, only for us to end up co-sleeping so we could get a bit of rest. She would BF every 2 hours at least in the night, and by the end she'd wake every half hour before we went to bed. I knew I couldn't do CC/CIO, I'm not strong enough even if I thought that was the right thing to do, but I thought that I would be forced to if things carried on the way they were.

We read No Cry Sleep Solution, which is complicated and didn't work for us.

So a friend had tried a technique, that she recommended and I thought that it was too much of a leap for DD, but i kept the email, and one evening I sort of snapped and decided that IT WAS TIME. DD was 8 1/2months. I don't know from what age this technique is recommended, but I don't think I'd have wanted to do this earlier, as you still have to cope with the baby crying. I knew DD was ready because now she quite clearly has two cries - one properly sad and scared, the other a bit shouty and put on, so when doing this technique you know what's going on (but I'd like to add that I still comforted DD when she was shouty - she's still trying to say something, but I deÞ nitely wouldn't pick her up and panic!)

I'll paste her email to me, hoping she won't mind. We didn't do it in the ten days, as it was just a bit too much, but i wonder if the way we did it made things a bit complicated. So I recommend doing it as laid out.

But now DD takes 20mins to fall asleep by herself (with one of us in her room) in her cot, in her room. and I do not feed at all between 7pm and 7am. Dh goes in in the night and he gives her water in case she's thirsty but she's quite happy without. It takes him no more than about 3mins to resettle her (unless ill).

After starting this at the beginning of January she still wakes up once or twice a night but it doesn't affect me as I wear earplugs and DH goes in! ha ha ha! (I still hear her and wake up, but I don't wake up fully and find it difFicult to go back to sleep) Do I need to tell you how I feel like a different woman?

So here's the email -

^"Ok, this is a plan thing that we first tried with dc1 when we got to the point where we knew something had to change. There seems to come a point where not only do you get tired of 'helping' your baby get to sleep, but whatever you do seems to work less and less - as if they know something has to change too! It takes a bit of work for about ten days or so but mostly the first couple of days you really put your back into it and then it gets easier. I remember vaguely doing it with dc1 and have just rediscovered it with Dc2 she is a bit of a firecracker so I was expecting trouble but babies love to learn something new, especially around this age and she only woke once last night despite having a cold, which is a HUGE improvement. Dc1 found this very easy and never shed a tear. Dc2 screamed 'TRAITOR!!' at me many times during the first night (she does that a lot), so I'm not saying that there won't be some crying because you will be doing something different to before but you don't have to leave her side and can reassure her as much as you need to, physically and verbally.
The idea is that you are no longer going to help her go to sleep - in whatever way - if you rock her, feed her, jiggle her, whatever it is. You can be there and reassure her but it is no longer your job to MAKE her go to sleep. It is your job to support her whilst she does it herself.
First of all, you know that thing that everyone says about having a bedtime routine (which I imagine you already have) is utterly true. By the time they are a toddler, the sound of a running bath is enough to set the bedtime clock going. When you choose to do this thing, it is really important to stick to your bedtime routine without fail for the ten days and it needs to be between 20 and 45 minutes long. Also, this plan also applies to naps, so you need to be able to be at home for naptimes - just until Dd has the thing established - ten days usually does it. Lastly, you are aiming for Dd to be in bed by 7ish in the evening and not much later. If you're like me you're knackered by about half four, so starting bedtime at a quarter past six is no trouble. You've probably done all that so on to the plan. I'll do bedtimes first and then naps.

Day 1, 2 and 3 - Place a chair right next to the cot. Make it a comfortable chair, you may get to know it fairly well. Have a duvet, cushions, iphone, book to hand. Do your bedtime routine and put Dd in the cot awake. She may well not know what to do next and try all sorts of things. If she stands up you can gently pop her back down again but only a few times - if she insists on standing for a bit then let her - it may just be one of those things she incorporates into her own burgeoning routine, and I daresay she is capable of getting back down again by now. You can pat the bed to let her know you want her to lie down. Sooner or later she is likely to sit down for a bit and eventually plop on to her front. She has to find her own way through this so she may try eating her blanket or playing with a toy before she lies down - that's up to her. If she cries, you can pat her and speak to her. As long as you remember that your patting and comforting is not there to get her to sleep, just to help her calm down in this new and confusing situation so as soon as she starts to settle, lighten your touch with a view to taking your hand off her, and stop speaking. She may go back and forth a bit needing you to touch and speak to her a few more times, but each time lessen your touch when she has settled. Stay there until she has fallen fast asleep and creep out. This bit can take ten minutes for some babies, but most fall asleep after 45 minutes. Two hours is the longest on record! I expected Dc2 to be a two hour effort but no - 45 minutes almost exactly. As long as you know that it is going to take that long, you can get through it. When she wakes up in the night, you do exactly the same thing, each and every time. The first few times she wakes, she will probably yell for you, but as she gets the idea that she can drift back to sleep herself, she may just squeak and go back (sounds unlikely? I thought that too.) The idea is that as time goes on you can wait a tiny bit longer before you go in, to give her the opportunity to practise her new skill.

Days 4, 5 and 6 - move the chair a few feet away from the cot. Keep everything else the same except you are further away. Once you have had your bedtime cuddle and put her in the cot sit down. You can still go to her if she really needs you, and you can still speak to her but she may not need as much help by now. Again, wait until she is asleep before you leave. Repeat as often as necessary when she wakes although, again, leave it a few minutes before you go in.

Days 7, 8 and 9 - move the chair to the door or the other side of the room. Make sure she can still see you, but once you have settled her in her cot and gone to the chair try not to go to her unless she has got herself into a daft position and can't get out. By now she will start developing her own strategy to get to sleep, and you will be able to tell what stage she is at, because you've been watching it all the way through.

Day 10 - you have several choices. If you think things are going really well and baby can cope with you not being there you can leave the room and see how she gets on. You can hover by the door out of sight and watch what happens, and reassure her with your voice. If you feel apprehensive about it and think she needs longer you can try the Bustle - instead of sitting down, tinker about in her room, cleaning up or folding washing or whatever. Or you can continue in the chair. The idea of the plan is ultimately for you to be able to plonk and go, but I quite like spending that extra time with DC so I use a mixture of the bustle and the chair. For night wakings you now really have to give her the chance to go back on her own. Wait ten minutes ( I know - such a long time!) before you go in. I got up last night to Þ nd by the time I got to DC's door, she'd already curled up again! That's the main brunt of it. Just bear in mind that the first couple of nights are the worst - she might wake more frequently, but stick at it and you'll see an improvement. The other thing is that when they start sleeping longer in the night they get up properly a bit too early in the morning - but this usually improves over a few weeks as they get the hang of sleeping. I've kind of assumed that you are going to move her into her own room - there's no reason you can't start this as soon as you move her in. If DC get ill and it disrupts her sleep, go back to whichever stage in the plan you think works best. You can sleep in her room if you want to keep an eye on her, but don't bring her in with you.

Naps - Do the same for naps as you do at night times only you can't sit there for as long as it takes - give it an hour and if she hasn't gone to sleep, get her up and feed her or do something different and try again a bit later. If she resists napping like this twice in a day you can resort to taking her out in the buggy or something. just so she gets a bit of sleep in the day. You are aiming at two solid naps a day by the way. If you've started this thing at bedtime the night before, the nap thing is usually not a problem. I can't think of anything else right now! By the way this is based on a Canadian lady's idea. I chose to use it because it doesn't mean leaving a baby to cry. They learn to fall asleep without you intervening, although you might argue that your presence is a sort of intervention, but before long you will find yourself saying goodnight and shutting the door, because she'd not taking any notice of you anymore!" ^

So for us the First night it took 3 hours 10mins, which is why for nightwakings later on that night I just fed her instead of sitting with her. Within the first few nights she woke LOADS less and then DH would go to her and he would just ask her to put her head down and she would and go straight back to sleep. Needless to say that sort of thing just wouldn't happen before. So if I remember rightly it was only after 4 or 5 nights that I stopped feeding her. The other thing we've found a bit hard is waiting a few mins before going in to her when she wakes. We just give it one or two minutes more than we'd usually do instead of waiting 10.

DH would like to add that he thinks the important thing is to teach DC to put their head down and close their eyes - he says' put your head down, put your head down, now close your eyes' and repeats it a bit like a mantra gently until DD does, and then stops as soon as she does what he says. He says for our 9month old that after a week she knows what it means and does what he suggests! He says that this is useful in the night and that's all he needs to do to get her to go back to sleep.

For the first night I recommend a large glass of wine that you take in with you. For the second night, have the bottle waiting for you on the table in the lounge. Also on the first night we both did it together for a bit of moral support and took it in turns but I'm assuming that none of you is as much as a wimp as I am.

I hope this isn't too much of a mess, my friend's writing is very clear, and mine is all over the shop. I'm just a bit enthusiastic about how its gone. I hope this is of use to someone.

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BenderBendingRodriguez · 03/03/2012 06:04

Kind of Grin We were going to start tonight as DH and I were both so knackered last night, but when she woke at 11pm DH decided to take action as that's the time she ends up coming into bed with us. She doesn't really need that feed anymore and we want to break the association with feeding at that time followed by getting in our bed, so he alternated soothing in the cot and taking her in the living room (while I laid in bed semi-conscious). She was furious and screamed for about two hours. But she did stay in her cot and fall asleep eventually, and didn't wake till 4.30am.

cmm · 03/03/2012 06:54

I can't recommend this sleep training enough. Was night 13 last night and for second night in a row he's slept through!!!!!! I was out last night and apparently he cried a little at 8,9,10 and 1230 when i got in but not eve enough for me to go into him, he seemed to self settle, which I guess is the point of the evening and putting them down awake. He has got easier to put down, first night one hr scream, but now usually 10/20 mins although some nights a lot less. Still got a way to go as still say at the cot with him tapping and stroking tummy, another couple of nights of that and and I'll go to just stroking, then three clear nights and go to just resting hand in tummy, then three clear and arm at side if him then having the clear nights and moving further away from cot and out of room eventually. Think it will take prob another month to get to feeding saying goodnight and walking out of the room but honestly can't believe the transformation. He used to wake soooo frequently like forty mins after feeds, hourly, the most was two hours if lucky! I had taken to bringing him in with me as I couldn't cope.

Thankyou so much for the thread. My friend did it too with her two boys years ago. It honestly is worth trying and persevering!!!!!! Good luck

Ps I kinks there'll be blips do know cant be that smug but at least it proves to me he can sleep Smile

MareMeva · 03/03/2012 10:31

This sounds like a great idea, but what if your nightly routine is part bf? We have bath, massage, and then go into rocker to sing a lullaby and then have a feed. If boob is removed or, heaven forbid, not produced in the first place, he will pull at my clothes and try to get at it. He usually falls asleep on boob. I then try to put him down. And he usually comes awake and starts screaming. Then repeat, repeat, repeat, until I eventually usually just take him in bed with me. He is nearly 6 months old.

nectarina · 03/03/2012 12:29

maremeva hello there. well, I think all of us had exactly the routine you're describing, and feeding to sleep is exactly the thing that you have to stop doing if you want DS to sleep better.
I'd put the feed before the lullaby, put baby down awake, and then stay until baby falls asleep.
Its the feeding to sleep that's the problem - its a wonderful thing when they're very young, but there's a point where they need to be able to go to sleep without your input if they're going to stay asleep. Some people carry on feeding to sleep for ages and put up with frequent night wakings. Its up to each individual to work out when they can't function any more etc (it took me 8 months).

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nectarina · 03/03/2012 12:37

mjtay sounds like its going very well.
As for a routine, I can't really comment, as we have a loose routine of two naps a day and feeding whenever DD starts pulling at my tights. She (nearly) always has dinner at 5pm to have a play before bedtime to be in bed at 7pm, but the rest of it we play by ear.
I can't really understand the problem of timing your DDs feeds as my DD has never refused a feed at any time, even if its 5 mins since the last! So I feed her straight after dinner, and then before bed, even if there's sometimes only 20mins between the two. Does your DD keep to a straight pattern of feeding, or is it more you that wants to space feeds?
I would work backwards from bedtime with your timings - this is how we decided to have dinner at the unsuitable time of 5pm to make enough time for her to digest food (and calm down!) etc etc before bedtime of 7.

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pipoca · 03/03/2012 15:22

This thread might well have saved my life (and my sex life!). DD is 9.5 months and has only ever slept through about 4 times in her life, but totally randomly, so I had no idea how to make it happen again. She has been ill (colds, coughs, bronchitis) pretty much solidly since 3 months old and sleeping has been shit since then. She was just begining to drop feeds at 3 months then it all went tits up.

I had bronchitis too this last wk and ended up needing a nebuliser and an inhaler and then with DD waking as much as every 20 mins and not settling for an hour at a time I was really at the end of my tether after 9 months of no sleep and a shitty HG pregnancy before that (and have a 3.11 DS to look after and a business to try to run).

I saw this thead last night just before I went to bed but only had time to read the OP. It sort of stuck in my head, so when DD woke at 1140 at first I bf'd her but then she started doing what she's been doing the last few nights and waking up when I put her in the cot so I thought, "fuck it, what have I got to lose?". I decided not to worry if she woke DS (which has always stopped me from doing anyhting that invloved letting her cry) so put her down on her front (seems to sleep better like this) and patted her bum while shhhhhhing. She seemed really outraged and kept trying to get up like a sealion so I put a hand on her back as a kind of reassurance and shhhhhed and patted. I reckoned the cries were frustration as much as anything. After about 10mins of real screaming she quietened down a bit and was totally asleep after a max of 15 mins.
She squeaked twice at 4am but I didn't even have to get out of bed and then she slept tl 845am!!!!!!

I didn't try it for naps until this afternoon, as we had to go out. She wouldn't nap in the buggy while we were out and then after lucnh she fell asleep while bfing so I put her in the cot. She woke after 15 mins (wind, I think) so I decided to shhh pat as a total of 15 mins all day is not enough. Did the same as before ad sure enough she was asleep within 10 min, without the crazy screaming this time!

I think she needs to relearn how to settle herself to sleep and back to sleep when she wakes.

I still bf to sleep before bed and she always falls asleep on the boob, do you think I should wake her, or try not to let her completely drop off on the boob?

nectarina · 03/03/2012 16:41

pipoca instant success! Sounds like you deserve it.
In answer to your question - either would work, although i think its better not to let them go to sleep on th breast at all. Try moving the feed earlier in your bedtime routine and if dd gets sleepy, jolly her awake dhile you feed. Follow with story or lullaby or whatever.

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BenderBendingRodriguez · 03/03/2012 17:00

great news pipoca! i remember you from the sleep deprivation support thread, really hope your DD continues to relearn her good sleep cos you have surely earned it :)

pipoca · 03/03/2012 20:57

Thanks nectarina. Well I did bedtime as usual and she more or less fell asleep on the boob but woke as I moved her, so instead of putting her back on her rocking and shhhing I took her straight to her room and put her in the cot. She was asleep within about a minute with a bit of maoning but not real crying even. Not going to bf at all tonight, just shh and pat where necessary.

Can't believe I didn't do this before.

Bender how are things with you now?

BenderBendingRodriguez · 03/03/2012 21:32

So crap Grin hence my presence on this thread. We got to the point where she was in bed with us all night, comfort-feeding every 1-2 hours, then getting up at 5am, hardly napping - she has black rings round her eyes like a panda, and the rest of us are pretty joyless. Anyway, I know she can sleep better, I feel it - I actually feel like it's my duty to help her get the better sleep she needs, first and foremost.

She has had better naps today, including a long one in her cot this morning (yay!) and another long one next to me in the bed this afternoon (I also had a cheeky snooze), so am hoping this might have a positive impact on her sleep tonight. Bedtime was good: bf as usual, but put her in her sleeping bag after feeding instead of before, so she woke up a bit; sang a quick song and laid her down in cot, where she had a sleepy play with her bunny; gave her a kiss and left the room as she seemed chilled out, not a sound emerged and she was sparko two minutes later :) I anticipate another protesting wake-up at around 11pm as this is when she's accustomed to feeding, but I will try and stay consistent and say no.

cmm · 03/03/2012 21:35

Pipoca - like you can't believe I didn't do this before. My little girl, now five, didn't sleep through until 2 1/2!!!! My little boy was good really until 4 months then for last four months has been terrible. It only took two really bad evenings and now it's ok and he doesn't fall asleep on boob, he was exhausted yesterday evening and I did hsve to get him off as he dozed though! I had always fed to sleep before that and then lowered him into cot slowly and tip toed out of room!
Nectarina - thanks again for thread, it's helped me get evening and nights back!!!! X

jammic · 03/03/2012 21:35

We've struggled with DS's (4.5months) sleep since Xmas. It just seemed to be getting worse all the time and we were doing everything and anything to get him to sleep. But he just kept waking up - sometimes every half hour. It was horrible. On Friday, we steeled ourselves and tried PUPD but it just didn't work. It got to a point when he'd scream the second you started putting him back in the cot so we switched to the techniques described here and started calming him in the cot instead. Overall it took us an hour and a half to get him down but prob only 20 mins once we'd switched tactics. He woke up twice in the night (wow!) and we carried the sleep training on thru the night and during his nap times. Tonight, we put him down in the cot awake, sat by his cot and spoke softly to him when he started squirming. He didnt scream or cry once, i didnt get off our bed once and he literally just fell asleep. It took 25 minutes.

I'm sure the road ahead is still very bumpy but I'm just so amazed that this has worked and that he has put himself to sleep. I know a few posts on here would suggest he was too young but I think it totally depends on the baby - our DS is very independent and I'm sure he was getting fed up of being swayed/fed/etc to sleep as much as we were.

Thanks so much nectarina. You've saved our sanity!

cmm · 03/03/2012 21:36

Meant to say will prob take another month to get out of room but at least making the progress now!

Mjtay · 03/03/2012 21:53

Nectarina... I guess it's me spreading her feeds out. Just something I heard once that said that feeding before last feed Is fully digested can increase colic. And seeing my DD has terrible wind trouble, I try avoid any encouragement!! Last 2 nites tho I've managed to feed before bath. Still woke an hour later tonite tho. She fell asleep after half an hour with more noise tho tonite. But am I being unreasonable..... Hubby has heard me speak of nothing except her skipping pattern. Has seen me sit by her cotside for an hour for 4 nits. Knows that if she needs winding just sit her up in her cot. But tonite, when she woke half hour ago he said he would go. He picks her up, winds her and cuddles her back to sleep, then wants an fing medal!!!! All my hard work arghhhh!! This comes after rows this morn about how I've changed and I'm sharp with him, he doesn't know me any more lalala!!! And tonite for mentioning this, I'm rude, treat him Like shit etc etc!!! He said it's his memory and forgot. But said he picked up her up and realised he was supposed to just sit her up, but continued to cuddle her anyway. Help pls!!! He's doing my head in!!..... Come to bed on my own now :( unheard of xx

BenderBendingRodriguez · 04/03/2012 09:41

Hope your DH made it up to you Mtjay.

DD woke at around midnight again last night and was awake for about two hours in all, resisting like mad Hmm She was very chilled out at first and definitely responding to being soothed in the cot, but as she is a stubborn beast she made herself wake up and fight Grin We ended up kind of alternating soothing in cot and taking her into the living room, as previously. Anyway, she flaked out in the end. Apparently she woke up again at 3am and was up for an hour, but I didn't hear any of that Blush

BenderBendingRodriguez · 04/03/2012 09:43

Whoops, pressed post too soon...the main point is, she spent all night in her cot instead of in our bed, which means that even though there was wakefulness, we all got better rest. Also I didn't bf until 5am so am hoping she might stop waking for night feeds soon

Mjtay · 04/03/2012 12:25

Well that is good news!! Atleast that habit is broken!! My DD woke at 3 soothed back off in 30 mins. Again at 6 but was really snotty :( her snuffles woke her again at 6.30. Then it was to our bed and rocking! She is poorly today tho ;( and hubby still hates me. He apologised. But then when I put the monitor on at 3 to see if it was necessary to go in, he woke all bleary eyed looking at it. I said "don't worry baby, go back to sleep". I got back "what did u say that for?" I replied
" just thought u looked sleepy, no point us both being awake" in reply I got "there you go with "u just thought again" " big humpy sigh back to sleep!! I can't win!! Xxx

Pinbeak · 04/03/2012 14:49

Hi there. Just wanted to say thanks for this thread as I've begun the technique with my 8 month old DD. This is DC2 and DS was a terrible sleeper, I read all the books etc but doing this method just seems sensible. As I can't stomach CC/CIO.
DD was waking numerous times a night. Sometimes being breastfed back to sleep but that didn't always work. She would happily sleep on me but couldn't put her back in her cot after about 4 am so we'd resorted to my husband driving her around in the car to get some more sleep Blush
Anyway night 2 was last night and she only woke once but did take 2 hours to go back down.
A vast improvement so hoping it continues. Great to hear all these other success stories.

OovoofWelcome · 04/03/2012 15:38

Hello,

We are on night 2 of this technique tonight. Last night was exhausting (DS - 6 months - woke at 9pm, 10pm, midnight and then awake until 2.30, woke again at 5am and then 6.45am - urgh). It was his first night in his cot in the nursery; we had been cosleeping before then.

I asked this before, but thought it would be interesting to know if anyone who is having success with this method can comment - do any of you use dummies to settle your LOs? DS needs a dummy to settle but I wonder if it scuppers the technique slightly.

Anyone use them? Or got rid of them whilst sleep training in this way?

BenderBendingRodriguez · 04/03/2012 16:27

DD wouldn't take one, for which I am simultaneously grateful and grated-upon Grin If he's only just moved out of your bed and your room, I'd definitely leave the dummy in place for now. My DS had his at night until he was 2.5, when he suddenly gave it up of his own accord. A bit of sucky comfort isn't the end of the world IMO.

Mjtay · 05/03/2012 08:39

I should think taking a dummy away at this point is probably a bit much. Especially if they're reliant on it.

Well day 5.... After waking at 6 yest morn being really poorly :( ending up in our bed and being rocked etc all day, I reluctantly decided to still try self settle at bedtime, as all that had happened away from her cot. She took herself off In 10 mins. And then geez..... Went thro the night! I went to bed at 10 and the next thing I knew was hubby getting ready for work at 6.30. I can't believe I even slept thro. Must of been do tired from the early start. Best sleep I've had since before I was preggers!! Thank u necarina Xxx

Pinbeak · 05/03/2012 09:12

DD doesn't have a dummy (not through want of trying and I'm a dentist Grin) but I think the general consensus from the thread is to keep the dummy for the moment.

Last night was night 3 and DD full of cold. She tried to self settle but really couldn't so I picked her up and fed her at 10.30 and 3 but even though she seemed fast asleep when I put her down she screamed when she touched her bed. Had to sit for an hour each time. Has anyone else's DC come to hate their cot after this? Or do you think it's because she's got a cold and just wants me? Wondering how to proceed tonight.....

tootiredtothinkofanickname · 05/03/2012 09:22

Pinbeak, I think it's the cold. DS had a cold recently and he fell asleep in my arms downstairs earlier than usual, then I co-slept for 2 nights to keep an eye on his temperature, but as soon as he felt better he was happy in his cot again. I would say tonight just go with the flow, if she is poorly she will only want mummy. I hope she gets better soon though.

We took a step back I?m afraid. DS now settles beautifully in the evening and sleeps well until about 2ish, when he has a bottle. I then managed to settle him in his cot a few nights and thought we were getting somewhere, but now it ?s taking ages to get him back down. The problem is he wouldn?t settle for DH, although DH tried a few times, he ended up spending more than an hour by the side of the cot. So I would have to do all the night wakings, and I can?t do it, I need to go to work the following day. Plus if we take turns laying with DS DH can do some nights, so if I go to bed early and get up at 5.30-6am I can function.

I feel a bit deflated to be honest, I really enjoy the cuddles but we could do with DS sleeping through. Maybe he isn?t ready yet. I am hoping that if he can self settle in the evening, he will go through when he is ready, as at the moment it?s hunger waking him (he always has his bottle at different times, between 2 -4 am). Is it more important for them to self settle in the evening than at night?

pipoca · 05/03/2012 09:27

Yay Mjtay! Brilliant, isn't it?
Well, day 3 and DD resisted last night. Put her down awake after bf and she cried for 10 mins and then I snuck out when she was asleep but she woke again almost immediately. Shhhed and patted for another 5 mins and she slept til 1230ish. Shhhed and patted again for about 10 mins and she slept til 5am. Got her to sleep with shh and pat in about 10 mins and she slept til 920! So, a more disturbed night than before but only awake for 10 mins at a time. I gave her a bit of paracetamol at 5am actually in case the remnants of her cold were still bothering her but I think she's just adjusting to the new routine.
Yesterday she didn't nap at all all morning but I forced shhed patted her to sleep for a nap n the cot in the afternoon and she did an hour and a half.
Tell you wht tho, I'd thought she was ill a lot more than she was. I think (obvious colds aside) she was overtired a lot. for instance, she'd been falling asleep all over the shop (like while sitting on DH's lap) and not wanting breakfast, but since we've doe this sleep thing she's had a little bowl of shreddies and an entire banana for breakfast and eats better throughout the day.

OovoofWelcome · 05/03/2012 13:01

Thanks everyone re my dummy question Smile - have nothing against the dummy in principle for night times - just think it wakes him up when he loses it. But will definitely keep for now.