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nectarina · 29/01/2012 21:03

This post is going to be massive - no apologies however.

So I've posted at least 5 queries about DD's sleep and read about 1 billion threads, because DD only napped for 30mins in the day, would only BF to sleep (since a newborn I wanted to get out of the habit, but nothing else did it). She spent the first 5 months in her cot, only for us to end up co-sleeping so we could get a bit of rest. She would BF every 2 hours at least in the night, and by the end she'd wake every half hour before we went to bed. I knew I couldn't do CC/CIO, I'm not strong enough even if I thought that was the right thing to do, but I thought that I would be forced to if things carried on the way they were.

We read No Cry Sleep Solution, which is complicated and didn't work for us.

So a friend had tried a technique, that she recommended and I thought that it was too much of a leap for DD, but i kept the email, and one evening I sort of snapped and decided that IT WAS TIME. DD was 8 1/2months. I don't know from what age this technique is recommended, but I don't think I'd have wanted to do this earlier, as you still have to cope with the baby crying. I knew DD was ready because now she quite clearly has two cries - one properly sad and scared, the other a bit shouty and put on, so when doing this technique you know what's going on (but I'd like to add that I still comforted DD when she was shouty - she's still trying to say something, but I deÞ nitely wouldn't pick her up and panic!)

I'll paste her email to me, hoping she won't mind. We didn't do it in the ten days, as it was just a bit too much, but i wonder if the way we did it made things a bit complicated. So I recommend doing it as laid out.

But now DD takes 20mins to fall asleep by herself (with one of us in her room) in her cot, in her room. and I do not feed at all between 7pm and 7am. Dh goes in in the night and he gives her water in case she's thirsty but she's quite happy without. It takes him no more than about 3mins to resettle her (unless ill).

After starting this at the beginning of January she still wakes up once or twice a night but it doesn't affect me as I wear earplugs and DH goes in! ha ha ha! (I still hear her and wake up, but I don't wake up fully and find it difFicult to go back to sleep) Do I need to tell you how I feel like a different woman?

So here's the email -

^"Ok, this is a plan thing that we first tried with dc1 when we got to the point where we knew something had to change. There seems to come a point where not only do you get tired of 'helping' your baby get to sleep, but whatever you do seems to work less and less - as if they know something has to change too! It takes a bit of work for about ten days or so but mostly the first couple of days you really put your back into it and then it gets easier. I remember vaguely doing it with dc1 and have just rediscovered it with Dc2 she is a bit of a firecracker so I was expecting trouble but babies love to learn something new, especially around this age and she only woke once last night despite having a cold, which is a HUGE improvement. Dc1 found this very easy and never shed a tear. Dc2 screamed 'TRAITOR!!' at me many times during the first night (she does that a lot), so I'm not saying that there won't be some crying because you will be doing something different to before but you don't have to leave her side and can reassure her as much as you need to, physically and verbally.
The idea is that you are no longer going to help her go to sleep - in whatever way - if you rock her, feed her, jiggle her, whatever it is. You can be there and reassure her but it is no longer your job to MAKE her go to sleep. It is your job to support her whilst she does it herself.
First of all, you know that thing that everyone says about having a bedtime routine (which I imagine you already have) is utterly true. By the time they are a toddler, the sound of a running bath is enough to set the bedtime clock going. When you choose to do this thing, it is really important to stick to your bedtime routine without fail for the ten days and it needs to be between 20 and 45 minutes long. Also, this plan also applies to naps, so you need to be able to be at home for naptimes - just until Dd has the thing established - ten days usually does it. Lastly, you are aiming for Dd to be in bed by 7ish in the evening and not much later. If you're like me you're knackered by about half four, so starting bedtime at a quarter past six is no trouble. You've probably done all that so on to the plan. I'll do bedtimes first and then naps.

Day 1, 2 and 3 - Place a chair right next to the cot. Make it a comfortable chair, you may get to know it fairly well. Have a duvet, cushions, iphone, book to hand. Do your bedtime routine and put Dd in the cot awake. She may well not know what to do next and try all sorts of things. If she stands up you can gently pop her back down again but only a few times - if she insists on standing for a bit then let her - it may just be one of those things she incorporates into her own burgeoning routine, and I daresay she is capable of getting back down again by now. You can pat the bed to let her know you want her to lie down. Sooner or later she is likely to sit down for a bit and eventually plop on to her front. She has to find her own way through this so she may try eating her blanket or playing with a toy before she lies down - that's up to her. If she cries, you can pat her and speak to her. As long as you remember that your patting and comforting is not there to get her to sleep, just to help her calm down in this new and confusing situation so as soon as she starts to settle, lighten your touch with a view to taking your hand off her, and stop speaking. She may go back and forth a bit needing you to touch and speak to her a few more times, but each time lessen your touch when she has settled. Stay there until she has fallen fast asleep and creep out. This bit can take ten minutes for some babies, but most fall asleep after 45 minutes. Two hours is the longest on record! I expected Dc2 to be a two hour effort but no - 45 minutes almost exactly. As long as you know that it is going to take that long, you can get through it. When she wakes up in the night, you do exactly the same thing, each and every time. The first few times she wakes, she will probably yell for you, but as she gets the idea that she can drift back to sleep herself, she may just squeak and go back (sounds unlikely? I thought that too.) The idea is that as time goes on you can wait a tiny bit longer before you go in, to give her the opportunity to practise her new skill.

Days 4, 5 and 6 - move the chair a few feet away from the cot. Keep everything else the same except you are further away. Once you have had your bedtime cuddle and put her in the cot sit down. You can still go to her if she really needs you, and you can still speak to her but she may not need as much help by now. Again, wait until she is asleep before you leave. Repeat as often as necessary when she wakes although, again, leave it a few minutes before you go in.

Days 7, 8 and 9 - move the chair to the door or the other side of the room. Make sure she can still see you, but once you have settled her in her cot and gone to the chair try not to go to her unless she has got herself into a daft position and can't get out. By now she will start developing her own strategy to get to sleep, and you will be able to tell what stage she is at, because you've been watching it all the way through.

Day 10 - you have several choices. If you think things are going really well and baby can cope with you not being there you can leave the room and see how she gets on. You can hover by the door out of sight and watch what happens, and reassure her with your voice. If you feel apprehensive about it and think she needs longer you can try the Bustle - instead of sitting down, tinker about in her room, cleaning up or folding washing or whatever. Or you can continue in the chair. The idea of the plan is ultimately for you to be able to plonk and go, but I quite like spending that extra time with DC so I use a mixture of the bustle and the chair. For night wakings you now really have to give her the chance to go back on her own. Wait ten minutes ( I know - such a long time!) before you go in. I got up last night to Þ nd by the time I got to DC's door, she'd already curled up again! That's the main brunt of it. Just bear in mind that the first couple of nights are the worst - she might wake more frequently, but stick at it and you'll see an improvement. The other thing is that when they start sleeping longer in the night they get up properly a bit too early in the morning - but this usually improves over a few weeks as they get the hang of sleeping. I've kind of assumed that you are going to move her into her own room - there's no reason you can't start this as soon as you move her in. If DC get ill and it disrupts her sleep, go back to whichever stage in the plan you think works best. You can sleep in her room if you want to keep an eye on her, but don't bring her in with you.

Naps - Do the same for naps as you do at night times only you can't sit there for as long as it takes - give it an hour and if she hasn't gone to sleep, get her up and feed her or do something different and try again a bit later. If she resists napping like this twice in a day you can resort to taking her out in the buggy or something. just so she gets a bit of sleep in the day. You are aiming at two solid naps a day by the way. If you've started this thing at bedtime the night before, the nap thing is usually not a problem. I can't think of anything else right now! By the way this is based on a Canadian lady's idea. I chose to use it because it doesn't mean leaving a baby to cry. They learn to fall asleep without you intervening, although you might argue that your presence is a sort of intervention, but before long you will find yourself saying goodnight and shutting the door, because she'd not taking any notice of you anymore!" ^

So for us the First night it took 3 hours 10mins, which is why for nightwakings later on that night I just fed her instead of sitting with her. Within the first few nights she woke LOADS less and then DH would go to her and he would just ask her to put her head down and she would and go straight back to sleep. Needless to say that sort of thing just wouldn't happen before. So if I remember rightly it was only after 4 or 5 nights that I stopped feeding her. The other thing we've found a bit hard is waiting a few mins before going in to her when she wakes. We just give it one or two minutes more than we'd usually do instead of waiting 10.

DH would like to add that he thinks the important thing is to teach DC to put their head down and close their eyes - he says' put your head down, put your head down, now close your eyes' and repeats it a bit like a mantra gently until DD does, and then stops as soon as she does what he says. He says for our 9month old that after a week she knows what it means and does what he suggests! He says that this is useful in the night and that's all he needs to do to get her to go back to sleep.

For the first night I recommend a large glass of wine that you take in with you. For the second night, have the bottle waiting for you on the table in the lounge. Also on the first night we both did it together for a bit of moral support and took it in turns but I'm assuming that none of you is as much as a wimp as I am.

I hope this isn't too much of a mess, my friend's writing is very clear, and mine is all over the shop. I'm just a bit enthusiastic about how its gone. I hope this is of use to someone.

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watermint · 16/03/2012 19:23

have been lurking on this inspiring thread and tonight decided to go for it with my 6 month ds. please can i have some words of encouragement! what were everyone's 1st nights like? 40 mins in and screaming still. im a real wimp when it comes to crying and keep getting tempted to just feed him to sleep again...

sorry lack of grammar - on phone.

Tia

OovoofWelcome · 16/03/2012 21:02

obsidian I have had my fair share of tearful moments when I feel utterly exhausted and a bit defeated about DS's sleep (or lack thereof!). Sounds like you had a bad night and did what you could to get some sleep - we are allowed to be flexible Smile

Now my DS is six months I can get unsure about how long he should be awake in the day. Often I put him down for a nap when he seems quacky and tired after an hour and a half of being awake but then wonder whether he would nap for longer if he stayed up longer....but if he seems annoyed and is rubbing his eyes and/or yawning then I figure there probably isn't any point keeping him up. He is a really active little boy so he wears himself out quite rapidly it seems.

If he gets very vocal and cross when I put him down I do the 'return and settle' thing - comfort him until he's calm, leave the room, return after 30 secs/a minute if he gets cross again, comfort again....it always works, even if sometimes it takes longer than others!

watermint keep going! The first night is hard but so worth it!

tinyk fantastic you're making such great headway!

rreow hope tonight is better....

And mjtay thanks for being so positive Smile

We're having real ups and downs here with DS though - only natural I guess. He has a cold now and is a bit out of sorts, so sometimes it takes ages and ages to settle him. Other times, hardly any time at all.

But he has had a couple of nights (since we started this a couple of weeks ago) where he has only fed ONCE, and then had to be WOKEN UP AT 7AM!

In comparison to him waking up every 90mins/2 hours through the night and feeding - which is how he was before we started - that is incredible progress!

I always find myself at the beginning of each evening simultaneously thinking, "Oh god, don't let it be an awful night..." and "This is it - tonight he'll sleep through - I can feel it!"

watermint · 17/03/2012 19:26

Just to update - the first night took 45 mins of full on screaming, it was horrible, but so glad I persevered as tonight took about 25 mins of him playing happily in his cot followed by 10 mins on of crying (no screaming) and now asleep.. can't believe the difference from last night! Will have to see what the night holds now, but a good start whatever happens. Thank you for this thread!

Obsidian · 17/03/2012 19:50

Thanks for the kind words Smile

Probably shouldn't have posted when I was feeling so stressed! Have had a better couple of nights so everything seems a bit rosier. Plus have been for spa and massage day today, which has been a wonderful break. Really missed DD but appreciated her more for having a bit of 'me' time! She had a lovely 'Daddy Day' too Grin.

Last night she took a while to go to sleep - about 40 minutes - but then slept from 7.45 until 5.15 without requiring our intervention. She whimpered a few times, but then self-settled. WOW.

Naps still all over the place, but going to try and relax a bit about daytime sleep as it doesn't seem to have an obvious effect on the nights. Will just use the cot-refusal as an excuse to get out and about with the pram in this lovely weather!

Hope you all have lovely Mothers' Days Thanks and all the LOs give us the most precious gift of all - SLEEP!

OovoofWelcome · 18/03/2012 20:05

Heh, obsidian, I read your post happily last night and thought, yeah, tonight might be a lovely peaceful one, followed by a refreshed and rested Mothers Day Smile

However it turned out to be an APPALLING night. DS woke for a feed and was awake between 11pm - 12am, and then again at 3.15am; it then took until 5.45am for him to fall asleep again Confused Then up again at 7am. Urgh. Why, why!?!? I feel zombiefied.

Really glad you had a brilliant night though, hope last night was similarly good!

watermint - that's amazing! Talk about quick results Smile How old is your DS?

Nessler · 18/03/2012 21:00

Having spied on this thread a couple of weeks, I decided to give it a go with my spirited 6 month old DS. Third night in tonight and he has gone to sleep in the cot after 20 mins yabbering and no crying! Tears of relief from me though.

We are still doing 2 feeds at night but hoping to phase out one soon as he's really not feeding much then at all, I think a habitual wake up more than anything else. Any tips on this- do people just try to resettle in the cot or offer water, etc?

But overall it is soooo much better, I can actually eat at the same time as DH at night and DS is starting to get some half-decent sleep.

Thanks so much to Nectarina and others, you have been an inspiration!

KittyBump · 18/03/2012 21:28

Hi All, good to hear how you are all getting on. I posted earlier on on this thread and have just been catching up. I think I have lost my way with this, we were doing well but DD got a cold and from then we have gone back to feeding to sleep then putting her in the cot and bringing her in with me from midnight onwards - not good.
Just wanted to ask - those of you who said their DC had a cold, did their sleep improve again after they got over the cold? Last night DD woke every 45 mins Shock whether she was in the cot, in my bed without me or co-sleeping. I fed her to sleep every time :( she has a bit of a cold and may be teething - I feel like i'll never get her in the cot again.
Also, with all the illnesses her eating has really been affected, she has never eaten much food and now is barely eating anything. My HV says I have to not bf her between meals so she is hungrier but i don't know then whether i should bf her during the night arghhh

OovoofWelcome · 18/03/2012 21:41

kittybump sounds like dodgy advice, bf will still be providing most nutrition and calories regardless of how much your LO eats...

As for the sleep I think that you can always get things back on track. And reinstating the cot probably wouldn't be as tough as it was at first (probably still a little bit tricky though, but worth it!).

There are so many variables, we will all lapse so much and swap our approach when we are exhausted. The mothers I know who have 'good sleepers' encounter difficulties out of nowhere, those of us with bad sleepers will see them improve and regress....

Btw my DS has a cold and has had a few bad nights. I think he is a bit better tonight so will see how things stand come the morning!

KittyBump · 19/03/2012 00:38

Thank you :) I know bf gives her loads of calories, her weight has always been good. But she is 15 months now and I worry about her iron levels, and I would like to TTC soon so I think I need to cut back bf to get my periods back.
You are right about sleep improving and regressing, I will start again once this cold passes and try to be more positive

OovoofWelcome · 19/03/2012 06:55

Ah right, that makes more sense then re your HV's advice. So perhaps she is having too many calories from nighttime Bfs?

It's hard to feel positive when you're knackered. DS woke three times last night - once for dummy, twice for feeds. I did feed him to sleep - I know that isn't the idea! Sigh. And then he woke up at 6am.

Thing is, I don't think we've done the nectarina method completely faithfully. At his bedtime I feed until he is asleep/nearly asleep, put him in the cot - which wakes him but then we give him a dummy and he settles.

Don't feel he has really learnt to self-settle Confused Perhaps that's the problem.

nectarina · 19/03/2012 12:14

oovoofwelcome - i think from reading your posts that you're right and that he hasn't learnt to self-settle. He has to understand what going to sleep means, rather than drifting off in a beautiful milky fug. I think this is why the only way to make it work is to put him in his cot alert. Also I reckon get rid of the dummy. Short term pain, long-term gain.

Thanks Happy Mothers Day everyone

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PolkaDottedShoes · 19/03/2012 15:09

Hi everyone. I'm having a nightmare with my twins. There have always been poor sleepers and have been rocked and comforted a lot at night time from an early age due to colic etc. They are 10 months old now and sleeping with us in our bed. This at first started as for part of the night as DH and I were so tired with them waking a stupid amount of times in the night. It has now got to the stage where they hate going into their cot in the evening, fight sleep and scream if put in. For the past couple of weeks one of us has ended up going to bed with them.

So, a few nights ago we tried to pick up/put down thing. It was awful and we had to give in as they were beside themselves. They have colds now so haven't tried again. We don't want to do cc- we have tried leaving them a little in the past (for a very little amount of time) and tried to settle and soothe in their cots but this didn't work ever.

Considering just giving in and carrying on co-sleeping, which will mean we won't be able to spend anytime or do anything in the evenings at all.

I'm considering the chair idea, but they don't just cry they scream, begin to lose voices, sob etc. It is awful. Could it work with twins? When we attempted the pick up/down DD woke up sobbing throughout the night, even though she was in our bed, and (please don't think I'm mad) seemed genuinely distraught!

rrreow · 19/03/2012 16:51

Oh PolkaDottedShoes I feel for you! I was getting tired of having DS in our bed all the time, too little room etc, can't imagine what it's like with twins!! I don't really have any advice to offer but just wanted to respond as it sounds like a really tough situation.

PolkaDottedShoes · 19/03/2012 17:38

thanks rrreow, it's good to know other people have sleep/co-sleeping issues (I mean that in the nicest possible way!!) as everyone in RL seems to have a much easier time of it, or never have their children in bed in the first place. Quite a few people had warned us not to go down that route but we were desperate for sleep.

nectarina · 19/03/2012 17:40

polkadottedshoes oh dear, I feel for you too.

I can imagine them winding each other up - one making the other cry even more, is it like that? I have no idea what it's like and how it could work I'm afraid.

I imagine what might happen is you try it, and it might not work, and then you go back to co-sleeping until you snap! and then you'll try it again with grim determination instead of intrepidation, and it'll work.

Please keep us updated...

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lagartija · 19/03/2012 21:15

It's Pipoca here with a namechange.
Polka DD at first screamed like a BANSHEE and it seemed to go on and on but I timed it and it was actually only 20 mins and then she slept for a good long stretch. I think a lot of it was frustration/anger that she wasn't being rocked/bfed to sleep as always. i kept shhing and patting until she went to sleep as I'd reached the "grim determination" stage and decided that I wasn't abandoning her, I was right there, but that something had to change and if that meant a shit few nights, then so be it. Otherwise I just couldn't see an end to the crap nights/cosleeping/all night bfing nightmare. She still tends to wake, but usually only once now and I can usually get her back to sleep quickly by shhing/patting.

Pudgy2011 · 19/03/2012 21:19

We are biting the bullet and trying this again tonight (tried about 6 weeks ago and it worked well but a variety of things, plus teething and a short spell in hospital completely set us back!) but tonight we are going to ditch the dummy as well.
DS is 6 months next week and hasn't fed through the night since he was about 2 weeks old, he went 11pm-5am from very early on and was always a good sleeper and self-soother. Now that he's no longer swaddled and in day care, he finds it much harder to settle himself and is very impatient - unless he falls asleep quickly, he stamps his little feet and squeals (such a drama king!) I've tried to explain to him that its counter-intuitive but I just don't think he listens ;-)
Anyway, last night was the straw that broke my back - with a husband away in Jamaica on a stag weekend I decided to let DS cry it out when he went down at 7pm. Cried for 5 minutes, I went in and replaced his dummy and off he went to sleep.
Didn't hear a peep out of him until 3am when he woke yelling for his dummy, I replaced it, ssshhed him and went back to bed, but he was having none of it and screamed bloody murder until 4.30am at which point I was weeping into my pillow and a gibbering wreck. I had let him cry for 5 minutes then replaced his dummy which calmed him down but because he wasn't falling asleep immediately he was getting really angry and frustrated. The kid seriously needs to learn the art of patience! Anyway, I would replace his dummy, only for him to suck for 10 seconds then cry and let it fall out. After this went on for half an hour, I went back to bed only for him to kick off again.
I ended up caving and bringing him in with me for a quick bfeed but I know he's not hungry because he had rice cereal at 5pm followed by his evening feed at 7pm and another at 10pm!
Anyway, it was the only way we both could sleep and of course when my alarm went off at 6.30 this morning he was absolutely sparko.
He doesn't sleep well at daycare anymore so I'm hoping if we get the night's sorted then the days will follow.
Please wish us luck - with any luck he'll be starting to accept no dummy within a couple of days but I know the next few nights are going to be brutal... I remain always encouraged by this thread though!

OovoofWelcome · 19/03/2012 22:11

pudgy will await your posts with interest, we use a dummy with our DS to settle him. In the day he goes into the cot wide awake and settles with the dummy for naps - so I find it so useful.....but at night I have fallen back to feeding to sleep, to avoid more exhaustion, and giving him the dummy when he wakes and wonders where the boob has gone. So ultimately I need to get rid.

Good luck!

Pudgy2011 · 20/03/2012 02:50

OK, so DS had a good hour and half nap at daycare today, woke for his 3pm feed and was awake from then so we had a really good base to work on as he wasn't overtired.
He had his rice cereal at 5pm and then we did our bath routine followed by a feed at 6.15pm. He was very sleepy on the breast but woke when I finished and went into his crib awake and happy. I turned off the lights and just sat next to him in the chair. He lay with his froggy and I did actually cave and give him his dummy but he didn't cry at all, just fussed a bit. He fell asleep just after 7pm so he was out for the count after 20 minutes with no crying at all.
He moaned for his dummy which had fallen out at about 8.30 at which point I should have tried to let him re-settle without it but I didn't (the red wine got to me), however he has been asleep since then. So far so good but my main interest is how he re-settles when he wakes at 4am. He's had the majority of his sleep by then and that's when he finds it hard to get back to sleep.
Keeping everything crossed that this works. If it does then I think I will definitely ditch the dummy tomorrow evening - Id rather have a night or two of crying than having to get up a million times in the night!
Oovoof I will report back tomorrow (I'm on eastern standard time btw, hence the late postings!)

Mjtay · 20/03/2012 07:53

So how is everyone getting on?! Xxx

watermint · 20/03/2012 08:54

I havnt posted much on this thread but have been following closely! Our first night was awful - about 40 mins of screaming, but as the second night was only 10 mins grumbling so I was really hopeful night 3 would be better. However it was the worst ever! DS screamed hysterically, and I tried to wait it out but just couldnt, so ended up picking him up to rock him, but this didnt work as he was so upset so in the end gave up and fed him to sleep. I felt rubbish and like the hard work of the previous 2 nights had been undone BUT that night he slept v well, one wake up at 3am and then up for the day at 7am - amazing for a little 6 month old who was waking frequently just a week ago!!

Last night I was worried about more horrible crying but he grumbled for 5 mins and drifted off (after about 20 mins alert/playing not looking v sleepy in his cot!)

So just wanted to share this experience as hopefully shows that if you have a blip/bad night is doesnt automatically mean you undo any hard work.

Last night was good again with one wake up and up for the day at 6.15am. Plus I have just put him down awake for nap for 1st time ever... progress!!

My DP is willing to get up in the night but always picks him up as he says he wont settle in his cot, but I just think he hasnt got the patience, anyone else's dp/dh not quite on board?!

rrreow · 20/03/2012 14:17

watermint Yes I've got a similar problem with DH. He'll pick DS up much more quickly or suggest we put him in our bed (when HE was the one who was most against co-sleeping initially and who was later on complaining that DS should be in his own cot...Hmm). I've had a talk with him about it though (I think it's important to do this during the day, rather than in the middle of the night when you're both tired & frazzled with a crying baby) and we're both on the same page a bit more now. It's very difficult to take that decision to let your baby do some crying (even when you're right there), you're already feeling bad because of it, and then for your partner to undermine you by picking up the baby... it's annoying to say the least!

Oh and PolkaDottedShoes I remember now that a few weeks ago DS would scream bloody murder when put down in his cot. He'd get soooo upset, with big sobs and couldn't calm down. But I had a similar experience to lagartija where it was probably just venting frustration and anger at it not being what he wanted and was used to for so long (feeding to sleep/co-sleeping). Gradually he's got much better. He still cries or grizzles a bit but not the heartwrenching crying. Also I found it useful to just let him play in his cot when putting him to bed initially. I'll pat the mattress and suggest he lies down, but I don't really interfere unless he tries to climb out, at which point I just gently put him back down and say 'it's time for sleep' (I try to always use the same words).

I think the crying is the most difficult thing, even if you're right there. From the way they cry you'd think you'd abandoned them! Because you can only say with hindsight if it was 'the right thing'. And some nights it is, but then some nights it's something else (e.g. teething) and then the guilt sets in again!

titferbrains · 20/03/2012 14:21

Just wondering how other parents of 6-7mo are doing?

Do you expect to cut out all night feeds with this technique? Including dream feed? DS is 27 wks and is waking quite a bit, I try to soothe without food before 1030, (bed at 630) although often we do have to feed earlier than this. He is then waking at 130, and again at some point and then at 530ish. All wake times seem to vary except the 130 atm.

he is in cot until his 1030 dream feed, going to try and put him back into his new bigger cot after 1030 tonight (he was in the stokke mini).

A bit scary to cut out all this milk - those of you who've had success and baby doing longer stretches - has baby increased daytime feeds?

OovoofWelcome · 20/03/2012 15:33

Hello titfer my DS is six and a half months old, and his day feeds did increase (he was micro-feeding in the day before, very distracted and uninterested). He'd wake for his 7am feed and feed for 20 mins - rather than 3!

However we were much more consistently putting him down awake then, have recently (due to exhaustion!) slid back to feeding to sleep and the day feeds are reducing again.

Think our issue emanates from the dummy - he needs it, so isn't really learning to self-settle, so the wakings continue and the subsequent tiredness has led back to feeding to sleep....

We're going to restart nectarina's method, minus dummy, in a week and a half when we have a free weekend to begin again.

I don't mind the fact that we were gentle at this stage really - going from cosy cosleeping to full-on dummy-free sleep training would have been too big a step.

So we shall prepare ourselves for the next phase and watch everyone else's progress with interest Smile

nectarina thanks for your response - helped me clarify (in my zombiefied state) what had happened, good beginnings but dummy leading back to feeding!

OovoofWelcome · 20/03/2012 15:38

Ps We're thinking of leaving one night feed at first. Think it's best if we wake DS for a feed, but don't feed him when he wakes, to keep a clear message.