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nectarina · 29/01/2012 21:03

This post is going to be massive - no apologies however.

So I've posted at least 5 queries about DD's sleep and read about 1 billion threads, because DD only napped for 30mins in the day, would only BF to sleep (since a newborn I wanted to get out of the habit, but nothing else did it). She spent the first 5 months in her cot, only for us to end up co-sleeping so we could get a bit of rest. She would BF every 2 hours at least in the night, and by the end she'd wake every half hour before we went to bed. I knew I couldn't do CC/CIO, I'm not strong enough even if I thought that was the right thing to do, but I thought that I would be forced to if things carried on the way they were.

We read No Cry Sleep Solution, which is complicated and didn't work for us.

So a friend had tried a technique, that she recommended and I thought that it was too much of a leap for DD, but i kept the email, and one evening I sort of snapped and decided that IT WAS TIME. DD was 8 1/2months. I don't know from what age this technique is recommended, but I don't think I'd have wanted to do this earlier, as you still have to cope with the baby crying. I knew DD was ready because now she quite clearly has two cries - one properly sad and scared, the other a bit shouty and put on, so when doing this technique you know what's going on (but I'd like to add that I still comforted DD when she was shouty - she's still trying to say something, but I deÞ nitely wouldn't pick her up and panic!)

I'll paste her email to me, hoping she won't mind. We didn't do it in the ten days, as it was just a bit too much, but i wonder if the way we did it made things a bit complicated. So I recommend doing it as laid out.

But now DD takes 20mins to fall asleep by herself (with one of us in her room) in her cot, in her room. and I do not feed at all between 7pm and 7am. Dh goes in in the night and he gives her water in case she's thirsty but she's quite happy without. It takes him no more than about 3mins to resettle her (unless ill).

After starting this at the beginning of January she still wakes up once or twice a night but it doesn't affect me as I wear earplugs and DH goes in! ha ha ha! (I still hear her and wake up, but I don't wake up fully and find it difFicult to go back to sleep) Do I need to tell you how I feel like a different woman?

So here's the email -

^"Ok, this is a plan thing that we first tried with dc1 when we got to the point where we knew something had to change. There seems to come a point where not only do you get tired of 'helping' your baby get to sleep, but whatever you do seems to work less and less - as if they know something has to change too! It takes a bit of work for about ten days or so but mostly the first couple of days you really put your back into it and then it gets easier. I remember vaguely doing it with dc1 and have just rediscovered it with Dc2 she is a bit of a firecracker so I was expecting trouble but babies love to learn something new, especially around this age and she only woke once last night despite having a cold, which is a HUGE improvement. Dc1 found this very easy and never shed a tear. Dc2 screamed 'TRAITOR!!' at me many times during the first night (she does that a lot), so I'm not saying that there won't be some crying because you will be doing something different to before but you don't have to leave her side and can reassure her as much as you need to, physically and verbally.
The idea is that you are no longer going to help her go to sleep - in whatever way - if you rock her, feed her, jiggle her, whatever it is. You can be there and reassure her but it is no longer your job to MAKE her go to sleep. It is your job to support her whilst she does it herself.
First of all, you know that thing that everyone says about having a bedtime routine (which I imagine you already have) is utterly true. By the time they are a toddler, the sound of a running bath is enough to set the bedtime clock going. When you choose to do this thing, it is really important to stick to your bedtime routine without fail for the ten days and it needs to be between 20 and 45 minutes long. Also, this plan also applies to naps, so you need to be able to be at home for naptimes - just until Dd has the thing established - ten days usually does it. Lastly, you are aiming for Dd to be in bed by 7ish in the evening and not much later. If you're like me you're knackered by about half four, so starting bedtime at a quarter past six is no trouble. You've probably done all that so on to the plan. I'll do bedtimes first and then naps.

Day 1, 2 and 3 - Place a chair right next to the cot. Make it a comfortable chair, you may get to know it fairly well. Have a duvet, cushions, iphone, book to hand. Do your bedtime routine and put Dd in the cot awake. She may well not know what to do next and try all sorts of things. If she stands up you can gently pop her back down again but only a few times - if she insists on standing for a bit then let her - it may just be one of those things she incorporates into her own burgeoning routine, and I daresay she is capable of getting back down again by now. You can pat the bed to let her know you want her to lie down. Sooner or later she is likely to sit down for a bit and eventually plop on to her front. She has to find her own way through this so she may try eating her blanket or playing with a toy before she lies down - that's up to her. If she cries, you can pat her and speak to her. As long as you remember that your patting and comforting is not there to get her to sleep, just to help her calm down in this new and confusing situation so as soon as she starts to settle, lighten your touch with a view to taking your hand off her, and stop speaking. She may go back and forth a bit needing you to touch and speak to her a few more times, but each time lessen your touch when she has settled. Stay there until she has fallen fast asleep and creep out. This bit can take ten minutes for some babies, but most fall asleep after 45 minutes. Two hours is the longest on record! I expected Dc2 to be a two hour effort but no - 45 minutes almost exactly. As long as you know that it is going to take that long, you can get through it. When she wakes up in the night, you do exactly the same thing, each and every time. The first few times she wakes, she will probably yell for you, but as she gets the idea that she can drift back to sleep herself, she may just squeak and go back (sounds unlikely? I thought that too.) The idea is that as time goes on you can wait a tiny bit longer before you go in, to give her the opportunity to practise her new skill.

Days 4, 5 and 6 - move the chair a few feet away from the cot. Keep everything else the same except you are further away. Once you have had your bedtime cuddle and put her in the cot sit down. You can still go to her if she really needs you, and you can still speak to her but she may not need as much help by now. Again, wait until she is asleep before you leave. Repeat as often as necessary when she wakes although, again, leave it a few minutes before you go in.

Days 7, 8 and 9 - move the chair to the door or the other side of the room. Make sure she can still see you, but once you have settled her in her cot and gone to the chair try not to go to her unless she has got herself into a daft position and can't get out. By now she will start developing her own strategy to get to sleep, and you will be able to tell what stage she is at, because you've been watching it all the way through.

Day 10 - you have several choices. If you think things are going really well and baby can cope with you not being there you can leave the room and see how she gets on. You can hover by the door out of sight and watch what happens, and reassure her with your voice. If you feel apprehensive about it and think she needs longer you can try the Bustle - instead of sitting down, tinker about in her room, cleaning up or folding washing or whatever. Or you can continue in the chair. The idea of the plan is ultimately for you to be able to plonk and go, but I quite like spending that extra time with DC so I use a mixture of the bustle and the chair. For night wakings you now really have to give her the chance to go back on her own. Wait ten minutes ( I know - such a long time!) before you go in. I got up last night to Þ nd by the time I got to DC's door, she'd already curled up again! That's the main brunt of it. Just bear in mind that the first couple of nights are the worst - she might wake more frequently, but stick at it and you'll see an improvement. The other thing is that when they start sleeping longer in the night they get up properly a bit too early in the morning - but this usually improves over a few weeks as they get the hang of sleeping. I've kind of assumed that you are going to move her into her own room - there's no reason you can't start this as soon as you move her in. If DC get ill and it disrupts her sleep, go back to whichever stage in the plan you think works best. You can sleep in her room if you want to keep an eye on her, but don't bring her in with you.

Naps - Do the same for naps as you do at night times only you can't sit there for as long as it takes - give it an hour and if she hasn't gone to sleep, get her up and feed her or do something different and try again a bit later. If she resists napping like this twice in a day you can resort to taking her out in the buggy or something. just so she gets a bit of sleep in the day. You are aiming at two solid naps a day by the way. If you've started this thing at bedtime the night before, the nap thing is usually not a problem. I can't think of anything else right now! By the way this is based on a Canadian lady's idea. I chose to use it because it doesn't mean leaving a baby to cry. They learn to fall asleep without you intervening, although you might argue that your presence is a sort of intervention, but before long you will find yourself saying goodnight and shutting the door, because she'd not taking any notice of you anymore!" ^

So for us the First night it took 3 hours 10mins, which is why for nightwakings later on that night I just fed her instead of sitting with her. Within the first few nights she woke LOADS less and then DH would go to her and he would just ask her to put her head down and she would and go straight back to sleep. Needless to say that sort of thing just wouldn't happen before. So if I remember rightly it was only after 4 or 5 nights that I stopped feeding her. The other thing we've found a bit hard is waiting a few mins before going in to her when she wakes. We just give it one or two minutes more than we'd usually do instead of waiting 10.

DH would like to add that he thinks the important thing is to teach DC to put their head down and close their eyes - he says' put your head down, put your head down, now close your eyes' and repeats it a bit like a mantra gently until DD does, and then stops as soon as she does what he says. He says for our 9month old that after a week she knows what it means and does what he suggests! He says that this is useful in the night and that's all he needs to do to get her to go back to sleep.

For the first night I recommend a large glass of wine that you take in with you. For the second night, have the bottle waiting for you on the table in the lounge. Also on the first night we both did it together for a bit of moral support and took it in turns but I'm assuming that none of you is as much as a wimp as I am.

I hope this isn't too much of a mess, my friend's writing is very clear, and mine is all over the shop. I'm just a bit enthusiastic about how its gone. I hope this is of use to someone.

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Obsidian · 12/03/2012 10:13

Hi there,

Just wanted to pop in and say THANK YOU to nectarina and others for all the excellent advice and support in this thread. I have been reading with interest and this weekend we decided to take the plunge. DD is almost six months and has never been a good sleeper. She has also had a dummy since she was about two months old, to help her get between sleepy and sleep. This has been very useful and I wouldn't change it, but we decided to really go for it and take the dummy away, as well as helping her learn to self-settle.

Well, so far (whispers)... it seems to be going well. Night one was AWFUL. Took over two hours for her to go to sleep, with a reasonable amount of crying, although most of it was angry rather than upset. It was made a lot easier to cope with by the fact that we could be with her the whole time and reassure her. We also picked her up for a cuddle a number of times when she was really upset. So we never felt we'd abandoned her and I hope she never felt frightened or alone.

Night two she went to sleep without much fuss at all in FIFTEEN MINUTES!!!! Am still in shock, although willing to accept it was a coincidence/luck until it happens again! Have everything crossed for tonight..

She's also sleeping longer at night, due to the fact we feel happier to leave her if she's only grumbling. She's managed to self-settle quite a few times now overnight, and last night managed 7ish until 3ish without our help - this is AMAZING compared to what she was like. It's also partly because we're not rushing in every few minutes to check if she needs the dummy back in!!

How is everyone finding the technique with naps? We tried yesterday morning and she resisted for an hour, so we ended up rocking her to sleep in her bouncy chair. We then wimped out for the afternoon nap and timed it so we were driving! Going to try again in a minute but not looking forward to it! Any advice on nap time would be much appreciated!

Looking forward to continuing to read about everyone's progress, and really hoping last night wasn't a one off!

Thanks again all Thanks

Obsidian · 12/03/2012 10:53

Argh, just been screamed at for half an hour as I tried to put DD down for a nap, in her lovely cot in her lovely room with lovely music/lights/story etc. You would think I'd thrown her down the stairs, the amount of fuss she was making! I've now given up and am rocking her in the bouncy chair. Feel like a bit of a failure, but I couldn't listen to her so upset anymore!

Do I keep trying or give up for naps and just use the bouncy chair/pram/car?? I don't understand why she can do it at night but not during the day?!?! I realise this is a better way around, but it doesn't seem to make any sense!

pipoca · 12/03/2012 14:48

last night (night 9?? not sure) wasn't great. She cried out at 2ish but settled but then went ballistic at 5 and altho I could soothe her to sleep relatively quickly, the miute I stopped atting she woke. Gave up at 6am and took her down to feed her. She fell asleep for 20 mins at about 9ish and then I got her to sleep at 1030, only for her to wake 30 mins later. I think it's teeth or tummy ache or both as she's been really possetty. Given up on afernoon nap for now and sent her out for a walk with DH.

Mjtay · 12/03/2012 21:21

Obsidian... My DD has never taken her naps in her cot. I'm a hairdresser and have done home hair 3 or so days a week since she was 6 weeks old. So her naps are usually taken in the car, her bouncer, or at home her swing. I think If I tried to put her in her cot I think she would be very confused! Although it would be interesting as a test cos she's taken herself off again in about 3 mins tonite. Bless her!! But I have changed the way I deal with naps. I used to rock her to sleep, especially when doing hair, for speed, but she now takes herself to sleep. I've noticed more so in her carseat. She must associate it with naps. Anyway... I think life still carries on and as long as u remember what ur aiming for and don't feed/rock (or whatever u were trying to come away from) then u don't send mixed signals.

Awww pipoca... Is it not just that she's waking earlier now she's having a mote fulfilled sleep?! As my DD now wakes at 6.30 arrrghhhh!!!! Thanks for replying rreow.... Not what i wanted to hear tho.. Haha!!! Xxxx

tinyk · 13/03/2012 04:01

We're in the thick of it! Slept really well till 1 (always been the case before, but since starting this we haven't had that bit of sleep either, so basically just back to par), then hour awake/hour asleep. No, we are awake again.... Have I found the baby this method doesn't work for???

Mjtay · 13/03/2012 07:26

Oh dear tinyk!!! :( do u make her self settle when she does wake?! It can't work for everyone I guess. But I think it takes more than 10 days with some definately! Xxx

Obsidian · 13/03/2012 08:23

Thanks Mjtay. I guess it doesn't actually matter where she naps during the day as long as she gets herself off to sleep without the dummy.. It would be nice if she occasionally napped in her cot though! I think I'm going to forget about naps for now and just let her sleep wherever she wants for a bit. Yesterday was just too distressing Sad She got herself so worked up in the afternoon that even walking into her bedroom was enough to set off hysterics. She then wouldn't nap anywhere, even the trusted bouncy chair, so I ended up feeding her to sleep in desperation!

However, bedtime on Night 3 was brilliant again - she took herself off to sleep in about 5 minutes with no dummy and no intervention! And then slept until 3, had a quick feed and nappy change, then back to sleep on her own until 7. So am over the moon about the improvement in night time sleep. I think she's still waking up every few hours, but then managing to self-settle - AMAZING.

Perhaps I'll try her in the cot again for naps in a week or so, when she's more used to self-settling at night. It just seems so strange that she is happy in her cot at night and during the day if she's playing, but as soon as it's nap time she goes demented - HOW DOES SHE KNOW??!!

Mjtay · 13/03/2012 08:50

I'm sure they just don't want to miss out on anything! Xxx

tinyk · 13/03/2012 09:49

Things are always worst at 4am I'm sure! Just feel like after a week I'm only just back at square one - but I'm sure it's because of the cold and DH giving up on Sat and Sun. Our problem is also different, as I didn't feed to sleep and bedtime has always been brilliant, but from 10pm, and latterly 1am onwards we've co-slept. So he's asking why he's all alone. I will keep at it! I think that possibly me coming over and cuddling him in the bed is a problem. Instead I will leave him alone, but stay in my bed on the other side of the room, only going over to calm him if he gets really upset.

For those with nap problems, we used to nap in our own bed no problem but no he won't. He just farts around for an hour and then falls asleep for 20min. I remember this from when we changed him from sleeping full time, but we got them back once nights settled down. Given nights are such a faf I'm just getting him to nap wherever and whenever, hopefully for 3hours a day, and even if it means cosleeping the nap. I try to do one in his bed, the last of the day when he's really tired but I know he's already had good naps. I can fix it later, but if I do it all at once he'll be in such a state and so will I! But DH and I have discussed using the Easter weekend to finally crack open the whole shebang, as one can do days and one nights, and he's off for the 4 days.

OovoofWelcome · 13/03/2012 12:27

That sounds like a good idea tinyk - my DH had last week off and did the midnight - 7am shift, and it really helped. DS came to accept he wasn't getting boob!

On Sunday night DS had ONE feed, astonishing, at 12.30am, and then woke at half six, so it was an incredibly good night. I heard him stir and give a few cries at 3am and then self settle, too Shock....I thought, ah, we've cracked it!

However last night he woke for his dummy a few times, then for a feed at 11 (took an hour to settle him too), and again at half four (quick feed and settle, back in bed by 5am, up at 7am).

So a little backwards step, but things are SO much better than they were a week ago....and I feel so much less achey and stiff because I can sleep in whatever position I like!

Mjtay · 13/03/2012 14:27

Oovoof well that's only really one night feed, so fantastic news. I heard murmuring at 2.30. I guess that's what she always does and takes herself back off, I just don't normally hear her haha!!

Just to see what happened, I put DD in her cot for her nap. She played with her dummy for a few mins then just laid in silence. I thought she was asleep and peered over the edge and she just looked smiling. Another 5 mins and she was soundo. So I guess she doesn't mind where she Is for her naps. Which is a good thing I think! Xxxx

pipoca · 13/03/2012 15:11

all gone a bit to pot here as DD has a stonking cold and a temp. She did v well last night considering ...straight to sleep at 830pm, woke at 430am and seemed hot, but no temp, finally asleep again at 530am, til waking at 720. Got her to nap for an hour in the morning, but then spiked a fever of 101F at midday and had another nap of 40 mins after some paracetamol, but has been vomming a lot since then so not going to worry about any more sleeping today, even though she seems tired. Think it might be a bit of a pants night tonight though as she's not very well, bless her.

Mjtay · 14/03/2012 07:45

Ah pipoca! I'm so sorry to ur DD is poorly! I think u just need to give them the comfort they crave when they're poorly :( hope ur night wasn't as bad as expected. And agree u prob got off lightly night before circumstances considered!
My night wasn't great either. DD cold seems to be making a reappearance. She woke at 1am crying. I sat her up to calm her down then she kept trying to get back to sleep, but her blocked nose kept waking her. Ended up giving calpol, vapour rub and and finally went back off. Then 6.30 wake. Arghhh! I'm so tired! Xxxx

OovoofWelcome · 14/03/2012 08:10

Me too mjtay - we had a terrible night! I feel broken, urgh.

DS woke countless times, needed dummy, refused a bottle from DH at 11pm, cried furiously until I breast fed him and then it took until 1am to settle him. At one point he was on all fours rocking, practicing his pre-crawl position and smiling with delight. But mostly furious crying.

Then woke at 3am, dummy, 3.30am, feed, and several dummy replacements to settle. Then awake at 6am. I could cry Sad

Sorry to hear your LOs aren't well pipoca and mjtay. Hopefully normal service will be resumed shortly!

Have no idea why DS had such a big regression last night. Maybe the dummy needs to go? He was doing so well though...

OovoofWelcome · 14/03/2012 08:22

obsidian have just reread your posts about taking the dummy away - seems to have worked brilliantly!? How are the naps going now?

I'm so nervous about removing his dummy - its the only reliable way to help him sleep other than boob, but it's causing as many problems as it solves!

Mjtay · 14/03/2012 08:36

Awwww oovoof I feel tired just reading ur post! Makes my night sound a breeze!! I reckon ull have a few days like that then he'll settle right down. Bet it's developmental.

The dummy removal is scary. My DD settles with her thumb, but even I'm not brave enough to take it away. Very often one will soothe when the other wont. But I am lucky the thumb goes in at night when she loses it/I move it out of the way xxx

OovoofWelcome · 14/03/2012 09:58

Ah I wish DS would suck his thumb! He sort of does now and again but it doesn't seem to help him relax into sleep.

I wondered if it was developmental, he brought his knees forwards this morning when trying to crawl - usually he rocks on all fours for a bit then manoeuvres himself backwards, pushing and sliding. He's nearly there.

Hopefully he will get back on track. This is tough. Especially now DH is back at work and can't help quite as much.

Obsidian · 14/03/2012 10:27

Hi Oovoof Smile

Sorry to hear you had such a bad night. It's just the worst feeling when you get up in the morning after a night like that isn't it? We had an okay night, although DD was awake and upset between about 10.30 and 11.45 for some reason - partly wet PJs and partly wind I think! Eventually settled and then I didn't feed her until 5.30, although heard her grumbling a bit around 3.

Taking the dummy away was scary and quite stressful, but I'm convinced it was the right thing to do, for us anyway. Fingers crossed, bedtimes are still going well. We've done four nights of 'the plan', and it's taken her (to go to sleep on her own): 2 hours (with on and off screaming), 15 minutes, 5 minutes, 15 minutes (with no screaming on nights 2 to 4), so she seems to be managing really well. I think the fact that she's self-settling at bedtime (7ish) is really helping her self-settle in the night, plus because we don't have to think about the dummy anymore, we're not getting up to go to her unless she actually cries.

She has tea at 5, bath at 6, bottle at 6.30, then stories and cuddles until she's really calm. We then put her in her sleeping bag, read Goodnight Moon and say good night. At the moment we're staying in the room watching her go off to sleep and she rolls around all over the place, usually ending up on her side or on her front. We only intervene if she cries, and so far have only needed to on the first night. If she wakes up upset before 3am, DH goes in first and tries to soothe her back to sleep. If that doesn't work in 10 minutes, I give her a quick feed, unlatch her before she's asleep and put her down. If it's after 3am I go and feed, unlatch, put down, letting her get herself back to sleep each time.

Naps, however, are quite a different story!! Not going well at all, but some gradual progress if I try to be optimistic. Sunday and Monday she screamed blue murder when we tried to put her in the cot during the day. We tried a calm half hour before, story, cuddles, PU/PD, calming words and tummy rubbing, but she fought and fought until we gave up and used the pram, car or bouncy chair, all of which thankfully work, due to movement I guess. So for some reason she seems to miss the dummy more during the day Confused.

Going to keep trying though. This morning I put her down in the cot about 9.30 and she messed around doing some of her bedtime ritual moves, e.g. scratching/punching mattress (!), rolling over, sucking blanket etc. reasonably quietly for about 20 minutes. Then the theatrics started Shock, so I gave up again and brought her down to the bouncy chair. She fell asleep about 10 with some fairly vigorous bouncing. So, it feels as if we're making very small steps towards naps in the cot. Not that it matters that much where she naps, but I would like her to be able to self-settle for naps and hopefully nap for more like 1 1/2 hours rather than 30/40 minutes. At least in the bouncy chair I can extend her nap a bit and hopefully get her used to two longer naps rather than three or four short ones, before tackling the cot again!

Baby steps...

Hope that helps Grin. It's helped me to write it all down actually. Sometimes it feels like it's all a disaster (especially when she's crying hysterically because she's really tired but refuses to go to sleep!), but going through it has helped me see that we're definitely going in the right direction!

OovoofWelcome · 14/03/2012 14:59

Thanks obsidian Smile

I think getting rid of the dummy, as you so bravely did, is the way forwards, definitely. DS has had some big changes recently though - started solids two and a half weeks ago, stopped cosleeping and went in his cot in the nursery a week and a half ago, is on the verge of crawling....I think I shall wait and see and remove the dummy when the time feels right.

It may well feel right after another night like last night though! If we're all awake and exhausted anyway we may as well be trying something positive!

I hope your LO gets the hang of naps soon - is surely only a matter of time? How old is she btw? Your DD's ability to self-settle sounds incredible Smile She can do it and she'll make the connection with day sleep very soon I bet. Well done for teaching her so well.

Everyone on this thread seems to be making great progress (even us, despite last night: DS has had two nights with only one feed and peaceful stretches) and with such a good ethos - controlled staying rather than controlled crying. Controlled comforting maybe (nectarina, there's a book in this Smile).

Obsidian · 14/03/2012 19:44

Not brave, just desperate Wink

Sounds sensible to wait until your LO is more settled and going through fewer big changes. I'm sure you'll know when the time is right. Like Nectarina said earlier in the thread, I think you need to be really fed up and feel that nothing you're doing is working anyway, so you may as well go for it!

DD is 25 weeks, so just coming up to 6 months. How old is your DS? DD has been on solids since 18 weeks Blush as I thought I'd just try a little bit and she looked at me as if to say 'FINALLY', so we carried on very slowly and she's taken to it really well. I wonder if that's having a bit of an impact on night time sleep? She's also been in her cot in her own room from 6 weeks Blush so had plenty of time to get used to it! Neither of these were decisions I thought I'd make before she arrived, but that's just the way it went, and I don't regret either one.

She has self-settled again tonight in five minutes - I'm so proud of her! Not sure we taught her. She was just ready and we gave her the chance. Sometimes these moments miraculously coincide! It was the same with moving her bedtime earlier to 7pm - she just suddenly seemed ready at about 14/15 weeks, so all that worrying up to then had been pointless!

Maybe she'll be ready to nap happily in the day soon - MAYBE?!?! She battled against sleep again at 1pm, even though she was obviously shattered. Her Grandpa took her out in the pram and she fell asleep within minutes, and stayed asleep for 2 and a half hours!! So she can do long naps, just not without motion yet! She did go in her cot happily for ten minutes before the screaming started though, so will keep trying!

It is great to hear so many people on this thread are making progress, isn't it?! I just have to stop being so bloody impatient and expecting changes to happen overnight. She's a determined little thing ('wilful' my Mum calls her Grin) and not one to be gently persuaded into anything. She'll get there in her own time.. I hope!

Mjtay · 14/03/2012 19:54

Oh I'm sure she will!! I do think the self settling at night has a knock on effect to the naps. So fingers crossed!! So glad everyone appears to be making progress. Having a slightly tricky one tonite. Cold not helping and 2 1hr max naps aren't either!!!! Ho hum xxx

tinyk · 15/03/2012 10:26

Hi everyone! Glad there's been lots of success. We too have had a breakthrough! Here's what happened:

After a week of gradual withdrawal, with no real improvement, we did a night of controlled crying. I had no choice really, as I have a terrible cold, and having me beside him would just have kept DS up as i coughed, spluttered and blew my nose all night. TBH a couple of times the only thing that got me out of there was a runny nose or irrepressible cough. First wake-up he cried for one hour, same as when I'm next to him, but honestly the last 20min were barely crying. He then slept for 2.5 hours Grin, vs the usual one hour. Then he woke up and we did CC again- 20min and he was out until 6am, at which point i fed him and brought him in to us (too early to get up, too late for a fight). Amazing. It sucked for me, I had to have a little cry and a cuddle from DH, but i honestly think for DS it was better than me being there, as previously he was confused by why I was visible but not cuddling him, whereas without me there he just got on with it. He certainly cried significantly less, and less hard.

Last night, night 2 - one wake-up. I went in right away (he sounded a bit unhappy) patted him, lay him down, and left... He was asleep by the time I got to my bed. Twice more I heard him shout one shout in the night, but I think it was in his sleep. He must have woken up a bit more as 5 of his 7 pacifiers were on the floor (one near the door- what did he do, throw it?!?) but he didn't even squeak.

Smile I think he only took to it so well because we had spent a week in there already together, doing Nectarina's technique so he was comfortable with the cot and room, and had learned to self settle (and find his own dummies, and decide he liked to lie on his front!)with help, he just didn't like doing it Wink.

So i just thought I'd share this success story in case there's anyone else reading who's progress has stalled, or who's child is as sure of his own mind as mine is Grin.

I'm sure we will still have some tough nights, but I feel we've turned a corner!

Sorry for the long post!

rrreow · 15/03/2012 15:03

Well done tinyk really sounds like you're having some success!

We were doing quite well for nearly a week (I think, I'm losing track of time now), but last night was bad. About 2 hours of crying due to teething I think as he'd also been supremely grumpy during the day, and hardly any naps. We gave DS some Calpol and he settled a bit after about 20 mins but just wouldn't go back in his cot. We put him in our bed and he still continued crying for another 20 minutes or so - which at least reassured me that I wasn't 'spoiling' him or not being strict enough, as I really think he was in pain.

It's difficult though as you're never really SURE whether the crying is just because he doesn't know he can settle himself or because there is an actual physical reason. And then afterwards I felt guilty for not giving him the Calpol sooner!

Anyway, tonight's another night. He seems more cheerful today so hopefully the teething will have subsided and we can get back on track.

Obsidian · 15/03/2012 18:58

Good to hear you're making progress tinyk. Any success stories give me hope!

We had a pretty rubbish night last night. She went off to sleep fine on her own in about five minutes at 7, and then didn't wake until 1. Great, I thought, but then she wouldn't settle without a feed, then same again at 2, then 2.30 and so on. In the end I brought her into our bed and she settled next to me, but I still had to keep feeding her, probably every hour just to stop her crying and send her off to sleep. I'm really hoping it was a one off and she was teething or having a growth spurt or something, because I think we did everything wrong. It was just that once it was clear she wasn't going to settle without a feed, I lost the will and just wanted to do whatever got us all the most sleep!

Had a nap nightmare today too. Only had two naps of 40 minutes each - once in the pram at about 10, after fighting it for half an hour, and once in her cot at about 2, but only because she fell asleep feeding (argh!) as she'd got herself so tired and refused to sleep before her feed. She's now been awake since 2.40 and so is shattered, has been fussing since about 5.30, not taken her solids as well as usual and just generally been a PITA. DH putting her to bed now. I can't hear any screaming, so am hoping she's just conked out!

Really hope we haven't set ourselves back too much as everything seemed to be going really well until last night Sad Have cried twice today over the whole thing. It just seems impossible to work out when she needs to sleep during the day and I feel like I keep getting it completely wrong. She just gets so upset when I try to help her go to sleep and it feels awful, but I KNOW she's tired. Feel completely confused about it all now and don't know whether she needs two naps or three, or for how long, or anything Confused.

Hope you've all had better days. Fingers crossed we all have a good night Wine

Mjtay · 15/03/2012 19:32

Plsed to hear success stories! rreow we all know when our LO are off colour, and I think at times like that u just have to go with it. Obsidian.... Relax :) take a deep breath. Pls don't cry!! ... On sure last night was a one off. Thinking of u this evening. Don't sets itself out about naps. I really don't have any timings. I just put her to kip when she starts rubbing her eyes or Been awake 2 1/2 hrs max, whichever comes first. She may have 2, she may have 4 depending how long she sleeps for and how the day pans out! Just don't let get overtired. Are u okay?! Xxxx