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Zimm · 19/02/2011 11:18

Helllo all,

Until recently DD (6 months) would only nap in her pram, this worked ok-ish. Now even this seems to be failing, yesterday I paced for 1.5 hours to get her to take a 30 minute nap. NOTHING gets done during the day as I am constantly entertaining her. Her night sleep was fantastic (8pm-6am, 6.30am - 8.30am!) but all went wrong at sleep regression and we now have anywhere between 2 and 6 wakings.

I worry about the lack of naps affecting her and making her miserable.

So please sign here if you too have a nap refuser, maybe we can share ideas or just support each while our houses descend into a cloud of mess, phone call go unreturned and exhaustion from street-pacing kicks in!

Zimm

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ThanksForTheMammaries · 19/02/2011 12:36

Sign me up...same here with 3mo DD. Will take short naps in the pram only, so is very exhausting and exhausted during the day, then evenings horrible as she is tired and grumpy.

She cries whatever I do as she comes close to feeling tired, although goes to bed brilliantly at night time. Its incredibly frustrating, isn't it?!

I am trying a pre-nap routine similar to the bedtime routine, with some limited success! She still hasn't had a nap longer than 1hr since she was about 7 weeks old. Mostly they are 20-30 minutes, sometimes 45 on a really good day. Any advice welcome!

vix206 · 19/02/2011 13:46

How long are your LOs awake for after waking from their naps? It took me 5 months to work out my ds was overtired. He woke 7-10 times per night and naps were random. Now have him on 2 hourly naps, a 6pm bedtime and hes waking once a night and much much happier all round. I had 5 months of hell before I realised. Only been doing this for 3 days but the change was miraculous! He practically asks to nap now. He also sleeps in his cot which he's never done. He'd only sleep in bed with me.

He's 6 mths and breastfed btw.

Not sure if it'll help you but thought it worth mentioning just in case x

Zimm · 19/02/2011 16:53

Yes it does help vix206 - how did you do it??? Step by step please!

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chillichill · 19/02/2011 19:48

yes Vix- details please!!! dd took a 2 hour nap but I had to do it with her, not that I'm complaining about a nap, hut had to settle her back to sleep every half hour. she was a much happier baby after it.

ellangirl · 19/02/2011 19:59

I find this a great routine- 7pm til 7am, nap 9/9.15 for 45 minutes ish, then nap 1-3 ish. My 16 month DS still does this most days, although he is finally thinking about stopping morning nap. I've always woken him from a morning sleep to stop him from sleeping too long, then he'll definitely sleep after lunch. Gina Ford is worth reading, her newborn stuff is way too harsh, but the routines for older babies are really good IMO. I never set out wanting to be on a strict routine, but I think most children are happier for it, I know I am!

DesperateHousewife20 · 19/02/2011 20:01

Def details pleaaasseeee vix- sounds too good to be true!

My ds is 7.5 months, breastfed, co-sleeps and is fed to sleep.

beela · 19/02/2011 20:08

I need to join this thread!

DS is 4.5 months, and he has approx 3 power naps (15-20 mins each) per day. I have decided that enough is enough and I WILL find a way for him to have one of those mythical 1-2 hour naps in his cot at lunchtime that everyone else's babies seem to enjoy. He may well have other ideas.....

FortunateHamster · 19/02/2011 20:29

Personally I've never understood how you tell the baby it's time to nap though. It's all well and good saying nap at 9:15 and I can even put my son in his cot then, but it doesn't mean he will sleep!

So as you can tell I have a non-napper too. He's always been okayish at night (has mostly woken once though goes through periods of waking twice a night, particularly when ill/teething) but ever since birth it has been tough to get him to sleep in the day. Every once in a while I'd have a week when he'd always have a morning nap, for example, but then the weekend would come, lots of visitors, and it all went out the window.

Now I do try and get him to sleep at least twice a day because otherwise he gets overtired and very angry, but he only tends to sleep either via during some breastfeeds or in the pram/sling. Occasionally I can bring him into the house still in the carseat asleep and he'll stay that way a bit longer, but generally I have no time in which he's asleep for me to eat, clean, think, whatever. If he's asleep, I'm usually on the couch or walking around.

It does get to me but I'm only four weeks away from going back to work (part-time) now and I'm just treasuring the time we do have together. I'd love to find the magic answer to getting him to sleep but I do feel that some babies just don't sleep well in the daytime. Sure, sometimes there are things we can do to improve matters, but not always with all babies.

FortunateHamster · 19/02/2011 20:29

Oh and son is 7 months old if that matters at all :)

ellangirl · 19/02/2011 21:09

I'm sure you're right fortunate, some babies do things differently. A routine won't work immediately, but over a few days they would just get used to it. I've never left my son to cry for long, and if he doesn't want to go to sleep, I let him get up again. Mostly though, he just does want to. I really believe that a routine of naps would work for a lot of babies, but that's just my opinion.

Geordiegirl79 · 19/02/2011 21:46

I also have a (4 month old) baby who does not sleep during the day unless I take her out in the pram and even then, as soon as the pram wheels stop turning, her eyes snap open immediately. It's never been a problem because she's previously slept really well at night and took very little settling, but for the past week or so she's been screaming when she's laid in her cot (we recently moved her into cot as she was bashing the sides of her pram bed) and we can't seem to settle her until she zonks out with exhaustion. She's also started waking at 5am, 6am, 7am etc whereas before she was sleeping through until about 8am. Sorry for the long post - got a bit carried away but just wondering if anyone had any advice? We think she may be teething.

Geordiegirl79 · 19/02/2011 21:52

Sorry, I meant to mention that she is BF, also she has not slept much during the day since she was a couple of weeks old. I hope Vix replies as that sounds great!

FortunateHamster · 19/02/2011 22:00

Sorry ellangirl am not taking issue with what you are saying particularly but it is very hard when you have a non-napping child to actually begin the napping routine in the first place.

I could put my son down for a nap every day at the first moment he shows signs of tiredness (or two hours after his last sleep or whenever other possible time I could try) and even after two weeks he wouldn't just get used to it. Honestly. I have tried.

Napping routines work when you have a baby you can put down and after a while the baby works out that he normally sleeps then so he might as well go to sleep without putting up a fuss. But what if they always make a fuss? What if, even though they are tired, they would rather be looking at the next new thing on the horizon than sleeping?

I've heard plenty of parents say they have had one good napper and one bad one, so I don't believe it is simply down to bad nap-parenting (though am willing to believe I am failing in some way).

This week my son had his first 'proper' nap in about a month. I put him down in his cot a couple of hours after his lunch, as I often do, and he fell asleep. He never does this. But for some reason that day he did. He didn't the day before or day after and I honestly couldn't pinpoint what I did differently. So frustrating. It's a good thing he's cute :)

FortunateHamster · 19/02/2011 22:01

btw it's not that I'm not willing to hear advice - I am more than ready to try new things. But I don't want parents of non-nappers to automatically assume that they are all failing in some way because they're just not doing the right thing. Babies are different!

Fumblina · 19/02/2011 22:04

Have a 9 month old, bf, refluxer, premmie (obv not any more but was..!)

For the first 5 months would only ever nap in the sling whilst being walked around.
Then in the buggy whilst being walked outside.
Then in the buggy being rocked inside as long as light blocked with snoozeshade.
Now in buggy in house but only if one hand free for frantic sucking of fingers.

Things I have learned/had some success with.

Keep the space between wake up time and first nap v short. 1.5 hours max.
Accept growth spurts will send day and night sleeps loopy for a while.
Ditto developmental leaps read this for info.
Try for next nap 2 hours after waking from last one

Will post more later, she's just woken up...

ellangirl · 19/02/2011 22:15

Agreed fortunate. I only have one child so I have no comparison. The next one might decide not to nap!
My DS sucks his thumb- entirely his choice! So that helps him, and I have blackout material stuck up at the window, so his naps are always pitch dark. He can sleep in other places if it's not too dark, but to be honest we haven't been away that much so it doesn't matter that he's got used to the blackout.
In conclusion, I will say that there are some cases where a good routine would help, and some cases where it isn't going to make any difference then! At the end of the day, you know your babies better than anyone, and they're pretty smart at getting their own way!

FunnysInTheGarden · 19/02/2011 22:19

sorry people, but you need to leave your babies whatever the age to cry for a bit. Otherwise they will never nap well. And in their cot if possible. All that walking around to get your baby to sleep is nuts!

BTW you might have to wait 15 - 20 mins the first time, but it does work.

FunnysInTheGarden · 19/02/2011 22:21

and Zimm you shouldn't need to be 'constantly entertaining her' she needs to learn to play on her own for a bit. You will be exhausted and so will she.

vix206 · 19/02/2011 22:39

FortuneHamster I'm sorry in advance if my post annoys you Blush I totally agree that all babies are different I can only share my experience because it really bloody works for us :) LOL so I feel compelled to tell people because although they're all different, if it works for our baby it will work for some others.

I'll try to be brief but lowdown is:

DS is just 6 months, he's our first, exclusively breast fed. Refused to sleep in cot since 10 weeks when he outgrew his moses basket. The only place he would sleep was in bed with me, and even then he woke hourly every single night - sometimes more often. I fed him every time he woke because it was the only way he would settle. On a good night we were in bed from 9-5.30am but he would only really sleep for 6-7 hours. During the day I wasn't mindful of his naps and just let him fall asleep as and when he needed to. he never seemed tired. I was convinced that he was happy with the hours of sleep he was getting because he is such a happy baby. Everyone comments on how joyful he is! It was just nights that were awful.

Anyway, the upshot is it was getting worse and worse and I was saying things like 'it was a good night last night, all in all I got 3 and a half hours sleep'. People looked at me like I was mad. I tried making him stay in his cot one night, that resulted in me getting up and tending to him 37 times between 10pm and 5am. His cot was at the end of our bed but even so, I was depressed, exhausted and (tbh) very angry.

A friend contacted me via facebook because she recognised the poor night waking patterns and lack of napping. She had just gone through 7 months of this with her second child. She explained to that she really thought DS was overtired and suggested I try her routine. Now I am NOT a routine person, I am shambolic and impulsive, and not good with strict routines but I was desperate. Never read Gina Ford and mainly read all the gentle 'no cry' type books because the tough love thing isn't my bag. Anyway, I was not sure it would work as we tried before and could not get him to sleep at all, sometimes we'd be trying for 2 hours before he'd go off but now I realise that (in our case) it was because he was overtired already when we started trying!

So we started just last Thursday morning with the routine, and I'm not exaggerating here, my life has been transformed. He slept 8 hours last night from roughly 6-2, then I fed him because he stirred (and he deserved a cuddle!) then he fell asleep again at 2.30 and woke at 7.17. This on just the second night. He had never in his life slept more than 4 hours before. So far tonight he's been down since 6pm without stirring so its looking good. Anyway, its not rocket science but here's the routine:

Today was only day 3 so we're still working it out...

-7am (ish) wake up,
Breakfast
-8.30 calm and quiet milk feed then take up to cot and settle, even if he's not showing sleepy cues he is going off quicker every day, always within 20 minutes. He only sleeps for about 30 mins at the moment but again this is increasing every day. Today I took him out in the car for this nap as I was going shopping!
-1.5 hours after he wakes from early morning nap take up to cot and settle. Again, he only does about half an hour.
Lunch as soon as he wakes

  • 1.5 hours after he wakes from mid morning nap I give him another milk feed and take upstairs to cot to settle, or take for walk in pram if its not raining! Today he did over an hour at this nap which is real progress.
Tea between 4-4.30
  • 1.5 hours after he wakes from lunch time nap I take upstairs to cot to settle as above. He was fussing more at this naptime but today just went out like a light for 38 minutes.
Bed time - 6pm An early bed time, no matter what time he wakes from his last nap (today it was 5.15) his bed time is now 6pm. It felt way too early but it really works for us, I nurse him before he goes in his cot. Dream Feed - 10-10.30pm Then I currently expect a full wake at around 2am, feed him, then he goes straight back off and I hope not to hear from him again until 7ish.

In between all of the above I obviously change nappies, play with him and continue to BF on demand.

Basically I'm not even waiting for sleepy cues because with my DS, once I see sleepy cues it is already too late and settling is difficult or impossible. He has gone from sleeping an average of 9 hours in 24 to 14 hours. Like I say, this is only day 3 so could all go horribly wrong, and I'm certainly NOT an expert on anything to do with babies but the results are too exciting to ignore. I hope I've not irritated anyone or gone on too much this is a very long post but even if it helps just one other person I would be so happy because I was going out of my mind with exhaustion.

Anyway, must sleep, DH is 'on duty' until 2am and then its me again!

Fumblina · 19/02/2011 22:42

Geordiegirl, there is a 4 month developmental leap/sleep regression. I remember it well as it was a particularly evil one. Give it a week or 2 and it may get better. Took us about 2 weeks I think, but after that it went back to 'normal'. The book/app/website 'The Wonder Weeks' details developmental leaps and to expect rubbish sleep/naps at those times. I certainly find this to be the case.

pleasethanks · 19/02/2011 22:44

Walking to get a baby to sleep is not nuts. If you have a baby who resists naps, this is sometimes the only way to get them to sleep, so better that than NO naps.

vix206 · 19/02/2011 22:46

WRT the leaving babies to cry thing, it is a very personal thing and not something that everyone has to do to get their baby to sleep - just like not every baby will respond to a routine. I have never done it and am just really hoping I never have to now. I know several of my friends told me to close the door and leave him to cry it out and that just wasn't an option for me. I certainly don't judge those who do it, but I know we just couldn't.

Fumblina · 19/02/2011 22:58

pleasethanks - I agree. Betty (nn for MN purposes) can cry for hours yes multiple HOURS. So if walking = naps then so be it. Although I do advocate a few minutes of 'wait and see if she will resettle herself' on waking.

Personally I tended to go with the 'anyway that works' theory until the naps were established. Then work on the how when she had less of a sleep deficit. And repeat after each growth/development spurt.

Udderly · 19/02/2011 22:58

Marking my place! My DD naps beautifully......as long as I'm in bed with her that is!!! Not ideal!!

Fumblina · 19/02/2011 23:04
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