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Daily Mail - The On Mumsnet This Week Column - part 374, appendix 5

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JustineMumsnet · 06/09/2009 12:20

Goodday Mumsnetters,
Now I know we said we'd abide by the results of the poll and the poll's not quite due to close yet, so first off we hope you'll forgive us for bringing this matter to an early conclusion.

We've thought about this a bit more (thanks to everyone for their considered input - it's been generally helpful to us though not always fun) and we've decided to ask the DM not to run this column under any circumstances.

We've said all along that we were torn by the column. When push came to shove we thought, on balance, we would prefer though it to exist rather than not, assuming we had editorial control (explanation why later on). But NOT if the majority of Mumsnetters were strongly against it running.

I don't think the poll shows that the majority of MN is actually against it, as it happens - I know there's some debate here - I think it shows 43% are. But I think the whole process has shown that those who are against are very very strongly against whilst those who don't mind the column in one form or another don't feel particularly strongly about it (save perhaps Daftpunk ). The 43% odd would never be happy with the column running and I think that therefore it would cause ongoing acrimony, which is of course not what we're about.

What we are about is making parents' lives easier and we don't exclude DM readers from that. MN is open to all.

However, a weekly column could and has been interpreted as a brand alignment - and it's not really as some have pointed out the right fit for us - which is why we wouldn't have sought it in the first instance.

For anyone who's been upset by/ caught in the crossfire of this debate - MP in particular and indeed, Leah Hardy - I apologise. A Mumsnetter has just written to me to say the following (she agreed that I could quote her here):

"I feel the flames of crises are fuelled by MNHQ's over willingness to collaborate. Offering Mumsnetters an opportunity to help steer, but knowing they all want to go in different directions is always going
to be carnage. They can never be of one voice. That's what makes Mumsnet interesting and wonderful, isn't it?"

I think on reflection this is spot on - we have always tried to be as inclusive as possible here at MNHQ. Our answer to most dilemmas is usually "Let's see what the Mnetters think". But on polarising issues like this one this is perhaps a mistake. It all becomes a bit too Lord of the Fliesish, and innocent folk get caught in the crossfire.

A final thought about the nature of MN and how we go about making it viable. Much bigger beasts than us are trying to work out how they can make their websites work in terms of paying the bills. Many are mooting charging in some way for access. Mumsnet is free and we probably turn down as much advertising as we take. We do our best to operate as ethically and communally as possible but we have costs that are rising as we grow - servers, people, offices etc - and it's a balancing act.

Mumsnet is big and successful in many ways but it does not generate huge amounts of revenue and profit. We don't have and can't afford a big PR machine - it's me!

But we want to do tonnes of things - run campaigns like our miscarriage one that could benefit lots of folk, improve the site with new features, spread the word so more can have access to the good advice available here. To do that we need to get out there a bit and we need to generate some revenue.

Being in the Daily Mail every week was obviously one way of getting out there - but not perhaps, as many of you have argued, the right way.

So we'll ask them to stop and keep you posted.

Have a lovely rest of weekend.

MNHQ

OP posts:
pofacedandproud · 09/09/2009 13:04

That's me btw

morningpaper · 09/09/2009 13:06

lol

I suspect that in REAL LIFE I'm just living in a crack den but have these nice dreams that I'm a boring housewife playing on the internet

pofacedandproud · 09/09/2009 13:07

Are your spoons bending MP?

Redworm · 09/09/2009 13:10

In real life we a re all just naked in pods with wires attached to our brain and nutritious liquid washing over us. But the Mumsnet Matrix is cheaper than the one in the film, just a chat room and the image of sitting at a computer.

pofacedandproud · 09/09/2009 13:13

And our dhs/dps are agents observing our status. Wait, no, that won't work, mine's always telling me to get off bloody MN. Unless it is all reverse psychology....[plot thickens]

Boco · 09/09/2009 13:20

My dp, while trying to convince me to stop pissing about on the internet, said that using a chat forum was like driving in a car, and you can stare at all the other people in their cars but you don't really know what they're like, and that's why there's so much road rage, because you relate to each other with these big shells on, and that's why people on the internet find it so easy to be mean to each other.

I did illustrate several reasons why mn and being in a car were very different, but I also know what he means, and I think that having to be anonymous and not sharing etc makes it a bit more like that, which is a bad thing.

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 13:38

i think that the most interesting thing about the dream is that it was 'friends' you were sucking. you don't know MP in rl do you?

WebDude · 09/09/2009 13:49

morningpaper "Put this into Google (but don't tell aitch the answer)"

Works right now, but if MN were willing to block complete topic areas, then that 2500 could drop to 50 or 10, or nil. If primarily parenting and some areas associated (eg longhaul / shorthaul and anywhere questions involving children are common)

"You have to specify removal of individual pages from Google's cache."

Perhaps for Google, but thc cache will have a limited life and if blocked with robots.txt the next time it visits it would probably lose the copy in cache, to respect robots.txt restriction.

The Internet Archive behaves in accordance with robots.txt and you can (with just a simple one-liner) stop that Archive from displaying anything from a site, and that means that despite it having collected years worth of snapshots, the change is immediate and retrospective, so it won't take snapshots in future, and acts like it has nothing from the past.

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 13:54

at webdude.

justabouteatingchocolate · 09/09/2009 14:12

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WebDude · 09/09/2009 14:19

Hmmmm. Not sure you should swoon Aitch... - a possible sigh of relief isn't appropriate either (as it's down the MN to control what search engines can/ cannot 'see')

Put it this way - I'm a fairly 'private' person (in that I don't go out of my way, eg on Friends Reunited, or whatever, to actively seek out people who might know me), but while I protect my privacy to some degree, I am not overly paranoid concerned if my identity is known. But can see how it has been concerning for others, even if I've not disclosed anything too personal that might come back to haunt me.

Fortunately my elder sisters are not interested busy enough with their own families so they probably would never know what I do or say on the net, and when it comes to clients, I have a different persona altogether (after all I sometimes have to visit them, so cannot be my normal hobbit geeky self as I have to translate to English for them when diagnosing computer problems)

WebDude · 09/09/2009 14:23

Good gracious, haven't hacked into anywhere for years (and for your lordship's information, they tried to hack our computers first, so I only left a batch job to tell their directors they needed to review their security as default passwords for system accounts on all their computers across Europe was dumb by any standards).

morningpaper · 09/09/2009 14:23

I do keep wondering whether my life would be simpler without lots of these social networking things

Several of my chums have deleted their Facebook account and don't seem to have suffered any ill-effects

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 14:23

at webhobbit

WebDude · 09/09/2009 14:24

Meant to add, seeing my nickname posted alongside positive comments:

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 14:26

arf.

WebDude · 09/09/2009 14:26

Ummm, really, Aitch? Didn't you end up getting new Acer machines (or was that someone else), when I was suggesting the 359 quid Tosh.

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 14:26

arf.

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 14:26

arf.

WebDude · 09/09/2009 14:28

A problem with the new laptop?

WebDude · 09/09/2009 14:32

If primarily parenting and some associated areas ...

was an unfinished sentence (as I ramble far too often, normally within brackets) and should have ended:

... were the only parts that search engines could spider, it might limit the topics getting MN website visits from the result of searches, but would ensure no-one could make use of such searches (inc MP!) to find postings some might prefer to disappear altogether.

Boco · 09/09/2009 14:33

Aitch you've gone all sealion

Webdude I was just lusting after laptops - is toshiba good? John lewis had good deal on 299 one but then it vanished.

WebDude · 09/09/2009 14:39

Toshiba have been in the laptop market for perhaps longer than most others, they did laptops in the 80s for engineers and sales people (rugged and reliable, heavier than today's laptops of course, and with only an orange screen, not for sales presentations!)

Best to post in the geeky section (and see a couple of existing threads too) Boco (before we go way off on a tangent)

Boco · 09/09/2009 14:41

Thanks, I'll have a search in those valuable archives

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 14:48

the nice man in JL told me that he wouldn't recommend a toshiba for a household where the laptop is getting dragged about a lot (ie ours) as the power cable/computer connection often fails.

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