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Daily Mail - The On Mumsnet This Week Column - part 374, appendix 5

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JustineMumsnet · 06/09/2009 12:20

Goodday Mumsnetters,
Now I know we said we'd abide by the results of the poll and the poll's not quite due to close yet, so first off we hope you'll forgive us for bringing this matter to an early conclusion.

We've thought about this a bit more (thanks to everyone for their considered input - it's been generally helpful to us though not always fun) and we've decided to ask the DM not to run this column under any circumstances.

We've said all along that we were torn by the column. When push came to shove we thought, on balance, we would prefer though it to exist rather than not, assuming we had editorial control (explanation why later on). But NOT if the majority of Mumsnetters were strongly against it running.

I don't think the poll shows that the majority of MN is actually against it, as it happens - I know there's some debate here - I think it shows 43% are. But I think the whole process has shown that those who are against are very very strongly against whilst those who don't mind the column in one form or another don't feel particularly strongly about it (save perhaps Daftpunk ). The 43% odd would never be happy with the column running and I think that therefore it would cause ongoing acrimony, which is of course not what we're about.

What we are about is making parents' lives easier and we don't exclude DM readers from that. MN is open to all.

However, a weekly column could and has been interpreted as a brand alignment - and it's not really as some have pointed out the right fit for us - which is why we wouldn't have sought it in the first instance.

For anyone who's been upset by/ caught in the crossfire of this debate - MP in particular and indeed, Leah Hardy - I apologise. A Mumsnetter has just written to me to say the following (she agreed that I could quote her here):

"I feel the flames of crises are fuelled by MNHQ's over willingness to collaborate. Offering Mumsnetters an opportunity to help steer, but knowing they all want to go in different directions is always going
to be carnage. They can never be of one voice. That's what makes Mumsnet interesting and wonderful, isn't it?"

I think on reflection this is spot on - we have always tried to be as inclusive as possible here at MNHQ. Our answer to most dilemmas is usually "Let's see what the Mnetters think". But on polarising issues like this one this is perhaps a mistake. It all becomes a bit too Lord of the Fliesish, and innocent folk get caught in the crossfire.

A final thought about the nature of MN and how we go about making it viable. Much bigger beasts than us are trying to work out how they can make their websites work in terms of paying the bills. Many are mooting charging in some way for access. Mumsnet is free and we probably turn down as much advertising as we take. We do our best to operate as ethically and communally as possible but we have costs that are rising as we grow - servers, people, offices etc - and it's a balancing act.

Mumsnet is big and successful in many ways but it does not generate huge amounts of revenue and profit. We don't have and can't afford a big PR machine - it's me!

But we want to do tonnes of things - run campaigns like our miscarriage one that could benefit lots of folk, improve the site with new features, spread the word so more can have access to the good advice available here. To do that we need to get out there a bit and we need to generate some revenue.

Being in the Daily Mail every week was obviously one way of getting out there - but not perhaps, as many of you have argued, the right way.

So we'll ask them to stop and keep you posted.

Have a lovely rest of weekend.

MNHQ

OP posts:
AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 14:50

my thread, i got the acer from argos as per kim11's instructions

pofacedandproud · 09/09/2009 14:58

I had a lovely Toshiba laptop. Before ds spilt an innocent smoothie all over the keyboard.

Boco · 09/09/2009 15:04

Hmm, that's what's just happened to mine - dd2 and some orange juice. If I ever get a new one I'm not letting children ANYWHERE near ever again.

WebDude · 09/09/2009 15:04

Ah yes, the deal where you should be able to get Windows 7 in late October. Worth knowing the advice from JL man.

If it gets moved about a lot, get into the habit of doing backups - eg onto DVDs - of photos videos and music you download, cos 500 GB is a lot to lose if ever the HD gets damaged through the effect of gravity.

Sorry, but that Acer 508/1361 at 450 is more than I'd be willing to spend - it's cheap these days to have a big plug-in drive so downloads etc can be swapped from old PC to new PC without hassle. Opera browser allows the bookmarks to be kept in sync on lots of PCs, so the new PC would 'learn' about your regular websites in a flash.

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AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 15:23

what what? i got an acer for 399, 500mb and 4gigs ram. i don't even know what that means of course but we're going to convert dh's old tower into a server apparently which will blah blah blah blah.

those of you with broken pcs, though, check the small print on those annoying bank accounts that charge you a tenner a month. dh's one insures named electricals against damage.

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 15:33

not mb, gig.
i do like to keep a film or two on my laptop for non-wi-fi emergencies.

ZephirineDrouhin · 09/09/2009 16:29

This has all got very technical. Liquids are a big problem for laptops aren't they. Has nobody invented a waterproof one yet? Dp has lost two to beer, and he's really quite a responsible grown-up sort of person.

Redworm, your very perceptive dream interpretation has reminded me that I am always thinking what a really exceptional therapist you would be if you were ever thinking of a career change. Do you think you would ever consider it?

And Aitch, you are right about the fisherman's friends - I never thought of it. Why MP particularly though?

Think boco's dp is right about the car thing. People treat each other quite differently when they're not having to look each other in the eye.

pofacedandproud · 09/09/2009 16:33

Every time I see an innocent smoothie Boco it rankles. I think, not so effing innocent, you broke, my effing laptop you fucker. [the smoothie, not ds, though of course he had something to do with it]

WebDude · 09/09/2009 16:46

Aitch - price has jumped then, up to 449 today when I looked for that item number (the link given on that other thread failed for me, and for Argos seems just as easy to give their catalogue number for an item, like Quicklinx number on Dabs.com).

WebDude · 09/09/2009 16:52

Yes, might try Windows 7, as price dropped from 140 to 60 or something, or getting a new PC. I avoided Vista completely.

Hmmm, pofaced, the 'effing' eventually got forgotten when you ended with 'you fucker'. Life's a bitch, and then you die, as they say... You'll never forgive 'Innocent' for their smoothies now, will you.

Boco · 09/09/2009 17:27

I'm usually one of those smug mac users but can't contemplate a costly mac book atm. I've got an emac though and it's a bit rubbish and has broken twice which is getting expensive so am toying with saving up for a non mac laptop to replace broken one. Dp Doesn't Approve, but the thought of losing internet connection here in the middle of nowhere is slightly scary. Even if it is a desolate internet town with nothing to suck on but a fishermans friend or Michael Parkinson.

madameDefarge · 09/09/2009 18:07

boco, my first mac was an ibook which was a reconditioned second hand one, which cost me £500 ten years ago ( I think, timing is hazy around those ds early years). It is still working and never bust, but I have upgraded now.might be worth exploring that option

Don't go to the dark side!

WebDude · 09/09/2009 18:58

I have to admit to having seen a machine I'd like to try (and it's not getting a plug because I won a PC from them years ago, but have never bought anything from them, to date)

This is probably not comparable with the yet to be announced ("when it comes out you'll need a second mortgage") Apple touchscreen (I don't follow the Mac world too closely, so they could have announced one by now)...

Pielight · 09/09/2009 19:05

I'm a smug MacBook owner. I'd like to live in an Apple shop too. I'd like to wear black trousers and have a small, tight beard and talk about Appley things in a really relaxed and charming way to everyone who comes in.

madameDefarge · 09/09/2009 19:06

Pielight, that that bloke on New Oxford Street?

Pielight · 09/09/2009 19:11

Hello madameD.

i was thinking in particular of someone in my home town apple store. However, I would ABSOLUTELY live in the Regent St one if asked.

madameDefarge · 09/09/2009 19:20

oh, yes, dreamy place of loveliness...! We could share....

madameDefarge · 09/09/2009 19:21

BitofFun coined the phrase "Macporn" so true.

Pielight · 09/09/2009 19:24

Oh yes, everything is so beautiful in the Apple world, so well designed

Pielight · 09/09/2009 19:29

dh says going in the Regent St shop is like being at a drinks party - he doesn't like drinks parties btw.

Everyone is standing about talking and it's difficult to catch anybodies eye or indeed to know who is serving in the shop and who is just there to, you know, hang out in black jumpers and talk about apps.

I reckon we could move in and nobody would notice.

madameDefarge · 09/09/2009 19:56

yup, nick a bit of muji furniture and we're away....

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 20:04
madameDefarge · 09/09/2009 20:07

mmmm, macaroons...the macporn addicts snack of choice....there could be little plates strategically placed on those pristine white counters....

AitchwonderswhoFruitCrumbleis · 09/09/2009 20:08

and POF! you are gone, willingly randomised into individual cashmere fibres and goatee beard hairs.