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Dear MNHQ, I didn't see all the problems kick off over poor Revjustabout...

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georgimama · 20/01/2009 12:38

but I would be grateful if you could tell me that you have at least given serious consideration to banning the posters who were harrassing her.

Thank you.

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Aitch · 20/01/2009 21:57

i was just meaning a warning that if people have a spiritual issue they need help with, then they should contact a rl human being, rather than an internet sprite.

MrJustAbout · 20/01/2009 21:57

One last thing about bullies and mumsnet before I go ...

The whole purpose of the "rev" in justabout's name was so that she wasn't misrepresenting herself. Given everything else that's gone on, I really don't think there's much chance that anyone going on the reluctant worshipper's threads for the forseeable future won't know where she's coming from.

Given this, I'm not sure that much is lost beyond a prefix that's not actually doing a job as such in the light of this controversy.

Can we lay off mumsnet a bit? They are in a bind in trying to keep stuff civil in here and they can't patrol everywhere all at once. They've have been as supportive as they can reasonably be expected to be without coming down hard on one side of this - and that wouldn't be appropriate.

This is an open forum and so it's always prone to trolls and personal attacks. If we want a closed forum we could probably have one, but it would lose much of its character.

That disclaimer on the religion/spirituality/philosophy board is a good idea though.

Heathcliffscathy · 20/01/2009 21:59

agreed re not grouping moldies. i LOVE some moldies IRL and online.

actually i really like a couple of the culprits here. I just utterly and totally condemn their actions...both on the thread, and in their subsequent defence of what they did.

Dior · 20/01/2009 21:59

Yes, it was just an example with a slight similarity - to try to explain why I could see MN would want to keep seperate from it all.

Someone was saying that the Rev was name-changing because of the posts and not to be bullied. I was saying that she had agreed with MN to do it.

I still think she should keep it though.

TheFallenMadonna · 20/01/2009 22:01

Oh FGS. Don't come on and be all reasonable MrJA. We're getting on our high horses here...

Aitch · 20/01/2009 22:02

the title of her thread says it's an 'unhappy' namechange, dior, that's what stands out for me. ach, this is bollocks. fair's fair. they were mean girls and they were in the wrong. surely they should apologise. i'm surprised at them, tbh, would have thought they'd have held their hands up by now.

JustineMumsnet · 20/01/2009 22:02

Ok sorry for delay - putting kids to bed and all - seems we need to clarify a few more things:

First to the charge that MNHQ are Moldies! viz:
"And it is wierd that this kind of PR mishap keeps happening when there seems to be some kind of white fungal element to things. I don't know if it's accidental - MNHQ are embarrassed and so keep being cack-handed - or whether they are actually on Mouldies. But it is starting to really piss me off."

Well many moldies were/are in many cases Mumsnetters too - it is true we're trying to be fair all MN members - not just MNetters who aren't Moldies. I can't tell you how hard it is, actually. How often we've sat on our hands when our instinct has been during the whole sorry, painful, time-consuming mess of Moldiegate to turn round and say - as many on MN have - well sod off then, to the Moldie crowd. But that would be hypocritical and therefore low of us. We can't on the one hand, say we are fine with folks leaving/ creating a new board and on the other bear ill-will for them so doing - even if it has caused a lot of pain.

We've ended up pretty much peeing everyone off I guess. All I can say is we try to be fair and to treat each complaint on it's merits and without regard to who (whom?) the complaint is about. (Unless it's Hughjarss) You might think we've made a "PR" hash of it, but we're not trying for PR here, we are trying to be fair.

Bear in mind also that we do "know" most of those who appear to be Moldies in the sense that they've posted on MN for some time and we know they're well-meaning folk, not meanies, as a rule. So if you extrapolate from that, those who raised concerns with us (and some did in a proper way off board) had real concerns about the Justa, and weren't just being vindictive, so of course (though we strongly suspected they were mistaken and told them so at the time) we had a duty to check out their suspicion - we do say in our troll policy that if you report your suspicions we'll take them seriously. You would all, I suspect, expect us to do the same if you had a genuine concern that someone was misleading others on the boards. But we deleted the posts that suggested Revjusta was not who she said she was, first.

We did not really doubt Revjusta but we've been doing this long enough to know that the strangest things can happen on the internet, so er checked a few basic things about her from readily available sources and those she herself had volunteered, so we could say with certainty that these accusations against her were unfounded.

With regard to Revjusta losing the Rev from her name I reiterate our position here:

Having some posters acting in a professional capacity doesn't sit particularly well with our philosophy. Revjusta had talked about Mumsnet as her ministry - she undoubtedly gives great support and advice and we very much trust she will continue to do so - but we don't want it to seem like we at HQ have appointed her as chief spiritual adviser or anything like that. After all, we're not Bishops and frankly have no authority whatsoever in spiritual matters! It's a bit like the disclaimers that we have at the top of some of the boards (the ones that say something like we are not experts in this matter and have no way of verifying that the info you get on MN is correct so this is no substitute for seeking professional advice type of thing) - the fact that Revjusta has a Rev sort of means she needs a disclaimer too (and that would have meant a v long nickname).

So we mooted a name change as part of a wider conversation about her welfare during this whole affair - and she agreed it was a good plan. (She has incidentally apologised to us for her thread title and post, which somewhat implies that we de-frocked her whilst she was kicking and screaming! But understandably, as I've said, she was reeling a bit from being doubted by folk.)

We also specifically discussed waiting a few weeks before she name-changed, so it didn't seem like it was in response to the questioning of her validity - which of course was not something we wanted folk to think.

Yes it was unfortunate timing because understandably it looks like the unfounded attacks have had some consequence. Sadly that was out of our hands.

As to the banning issue, we don't think anyone deserves to be banned over this. People are forever wrongly suspecting others of being trolls (and sometimes rightly suspecting them). What this has done is serve to remind folks, we hope, why we discourage this kind of public outing of people - put it simply you might be wrong - in which case it's unpleasant and unkind. We reiterate our troll policy and urge you to contact MN with any concerns (as we say we promise to take any concerns seriously). We will continue to delete any posts and threads "outing" others as and when they are reported/ we see them.

What we would say though, is this: It is very clear is that the sudden appearance of a group of known Moldie Members on a MN thread, particularly if they've not been around much and have a common strong opinion will always be liable to make folks suspicious that it's at best something that's been pre-discussed on Moldiesand at worst an orchestrated attack. This is a natural consequence of some Mumsnetters being known to use another closed board and something that folk should bear in mind if they are keen to avoid ill-feeling/ further upset.

MNHQ

allnewcontrolfreaky · 20/01/2009 22:05

mnhq. sorry to be blunt but someone really should tell you (am volunteering) that you have LOST THE PLOT. person being bullied asked for "credentials" because a bunch of defecting disloyal bullies beat her up online?? asked to change her name??? (was it ever thought a problem that her codliness would regularly dispense legal advice on here despite (so far as i am aware) being wholly unqualified legally, based on her position as a lay magistrate which she alluded to regularly?? or was that ok because she didnt register as lljcod (lay justice) or madamcodthemagcod....??

i dont get it. your disarming "we dont mind a bit" about the whole mouldie debacle will backfire badly if they lurk in their members only golf club but make regular saliies onto mn to bully people who are making a real and valuable current contribution to mn (revjustabout) with seemingly no consequences.

can you tell am really pissed off? good.

Dior · 20/01/2009 22:05

Well, I agree with all reasonable posts on these threads

RiaParkinson · 20/01/2009 22:06

lovely justine

So civil and calm - i need her in my real life!

fuckitgoblin · 20/01/2009 22:06

the namechange is mnhq removing a perceived association with them that they dont wish people to confuse.
i really dont think this is to do with mouldies attacdking rev on teh gaza thread
i think people are confusing the two issues
the timing is shitty though

RiaParkinson · 20/01/2009 22:07

`thats good Dior

Nantucket · 20/01/2009 22:07

Sophable... a bit like supporting Israel but condemning thier latest actions????

Ok, we've come full circle......REV!! we need you.

Come on MNHQ answer the challenges put to you.

Mr Rev go away with your balanced seeing all sides fairness, we don't need your sort mucking up our thread.

(make sure Rev sees supportive comments for her thread)

HerIllustriousEminenceOnebat · 20/01/2009 22:07

Threadworm - right again.

No need, any more than in chat:

"please remember that MN does not endorse talking. Or at least any particular style of talking. Talking itself can be healthy if part of a normal communication strategy, but we would advise those who are only talking and not doing to seek the help of a professional"

Heathcliffscathy · 20/01/2009 22:07

she's the gov. justine that is.

it's subtle. but it's all in there innit.

Nantucket · 20/01/2009 22:08

Oh you have, will go read.

Dior · 20/01/2009 22:08

My post was to Aitch btw!

Aitch · 20/01/2009 22:08

the timing is ghastly, goblin.

lisalisa · 20/01/2009 22:08

Justine's post is spot on.

Heathcliffscathy · 20/01/2009 22:08

nantucket EXACTLY like that. i thought it but didn't have the bollox to post it!

allnewcontrolfreaky · 20/01/2009 22:09

sorry, was frantically typing while that was posted from mnhq, my post wasn't in response to justine's...... (will now read same)

Aitch · 20/01/2009 22:09

lol soph. amen. [reverent]

HighPriestessrutyofthe7Seas · 20/01/2009 22:11

of course it is to do with it!

morningpaper · 20/01/2009 22:11
allnewcontrolfreaky · 20/01/2009 22:11

aitch, why are you no longer privy to mouldiness? did you get banned? did you ban yourself?

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