REGISTRATION FEE - WOULD YOU OBJECT?

[HRHSaintMamazon]

just seen that yet another troll has gotten in and caused one of the more prolific and well loved members of the site to leave.

This is getting to be more than just an occasional annoyance.
we seem to have become victims of our own sucess. we are all so fabulouse we are attracted a much wider audience, thoguh sadly as we become more popular we appear on teh radar of a few nutballs too.

How would we feel about the possibility of a 50p joining fee.
obviously this would have to be paid either via card or paypal so there would be some kind of verification of the persons ID.
it would mean that if trollery was supsected MN would find it easier to investigate, if the poster seemed to be in trouble MN qould be in a position to help organise real help.

but mostly it would deter the 14 year olds joing to post about pube's or incest or whatever.

The fee would be minimal so that its not too restrictive.

What do you think? woudl it work? would it be workable from MNHQ perspective or would it cause other red tape type problems?

I just really think we need to do something before the site implodes.

I can assure you SM THAT cod takes nothing that is said on mn too seriously. for each member that adores her there are 3 that cannot stand her. they are all very quick to jump frm the woodwork and get a quick kick in when she is down.
she always takes such remarks on the chin and never lets it get to her.

The fact that she has now had to have her every post deleted should exlain to you how serious this is.

this is beyond your normal trollery. this is not just words on a screen, this IS real life.

and something that we should be trying to stop.

hear, hear mamazon.

inevitably conflict and animosity will arise. does not mean it is the norm.in fact it is minority

on a discussion forum yes one needs to a certain extent expect verbose rebuttal at times, and praise at other times

no fees
or moratorium on name change

will deter the fact that anyone can find any narrative contentious

I know she does not take offence, well I don't know as unless we see a mumsnetter in person regularly we only know what their posts tell us. But I do think this is an extreme example and therefore it would be wrong to change mumsnet on the basis of it. I also don;t think if we were trying to make a change in an attempt to prevent something so serious a 50p charge would have any effect.

but mamazon the fact that cod has had to have all her posts deleted is surely an indication that the lines between online and rl have become blurred.

RL can only impact on your online existance and vice versa if the two become intertwined.

you're absolutely right SM, but when it comes to a poster/poster's family and their safety being compromised SURELY it's a good thing to be able to identify an assailant?? I don't think we're talking about a bit of name-calling or such here....

Off to bed now, night all.

I don't think a 50p registratuion fee ill stop this nor make Mn very fair - anyone without a credit/debit card can't join, plus thn MN wouldnt be available instantly to users.

Moderators won;t work in their old sene either. Moderators had no power, other than to just keep an eye ut and contact MN in event of anything happening - although they did have a MNHQ mobile number for eergencies. Yes, they could post on the thread using Moderator in their name - but that won;t stop a troll. For moderaters to work they need to be able to DO things such as edit or remove posts, lock and hide threads until MNHQ can access them, etc.

Stopping namechangers probably won;t help either, MNHQ can already identify namechangers if necessary. And anyne intent on namechanging for trouble casing could just re-reguister anyway.

''We should all take responsiblity for our own safety online - how many of you lot drum that into your kids''
actually Davinia, that's such a salient point, really, isn't it?

And as another mumsnetter once told me ''if you want to find out how many lurkers there are on MN - and there are hundreds just offer something for free...and see how many completely unkown posters fill up your in-box.''

But this site would be so much poorer if none of us shared anything, or let slip personal stuff. It's the feeling that we 'know' each other which is so seductive.

Oh god, I dunno the answer. But i hope there is one....

I think the mods should have the ability to suspend or freeze threads/accounts until they can be looked into by MNHQ.

How about instead of having the ability to namechange indiscriminately once you have name change it lasts a period of 14 days. People would still have seasonal namechanges, but would cut down on the people name changing just for trolling.

Ah I see from reading the thread doh that people have suggested this.

I dunno, think trolls are just a part of Mn life unless we want to introduce all powerful moderators shudder.

mods would need to be able to LOCK threads, to have certain posters become invisible in case they simply start another thread, they would need to be trusted regs (but we don't need to know their reg names IYSWIM)

LOCKABLE threads...is that something we need to consider?

FWIW i think MN is so huge now, soooo many places to post in now that it can be a bit confusing

I hate the idea that you could delete posts tbh. i would have probably deleted half of mine. how the feck would anyone know what threads were about or who had said wht, oit would just be pointless.

i find the personalisation or musings about MN community/old days etc concerning

often see posts
Not like ole days
used to be small now too big
don't know anyone any more
differentiation beteen ole tomer and newbie.implication being ole timer talk more senese, newbie needs initiation

thing is,this is open to anyone and archive search can reveal previous posts.it isnt a dialogue between pals -it is accessible and available to many.nameless faceless many

we do need to take care
not reveal too much

Maybe mods would be good, but on all of the forums I have perused mods are self important little hitlers deleting and locking at will.

Thread been posted before locked, thread in wrong section locked, don't like the look of you locked, slightly controversial locked, disagree with anyone locked. It would be a disaster.

I always find these threads amusing tbh, they crop up about once a year, we'll have a spate of "revealed" trolls and a series of threads such as this one..........then it all dies down again, until the next time, and the next time, and the time after that.

There were threads of a similar nature after the JF saga.....and that was years ago.

Scottish mummy speaks a lot of sense (it's cos she's Scoatish!)

I'd pay up to about a tenner tbh

But they have to make deregistering really hard if so or i will still flounce a lot and end up destitute

I would say that the Mods would have to be reg's and have beenhere at least a year, that way they understand the difference between a controvercial but relevant debate and just vile mud slinging.

they would be Anon and appear simply as "mod1" "mod2" etc.

they could lock the thread or account but this would only be a temporary measure until MNHQ were able to view and act accordingly. if they thought it was appropriate the thread would then be re opened.

mods would have no permenant power.

hate all this emphais upon regular so frequent poster means you don't talk shite.

think not

are we adults conducting a dialogue or what.moderator,locked thread,ole timers policing and censoring

ffs

Nah. Registration fee? Waste of time.

I'd never have bothered, hate fiddling with stuff like that, and MN towers want as many members as poss so they get the advertising-big-spenders.

I mean, I know about the support and advice and all that but it's a business. Also, as someone pointed out earlier, the cost and time invoved in processing a 50p fee would render it prohibitive, surely?

To answer the original question, I wouldn't object.

There must be other forums that have gone through phases like this - I'm sure MNHQ could find people who could advise them on the best way to deal with it.

And, btw, if anyone is speaking to Cod, I'm sure I won't be the only one to say that it's fucking disgraceful that this has happened and she's missed already.