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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 20:28

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:23

I do accept that you HAVE to point out the flaws in other people’s beliefs if there is a chance they become law or affect your quality of life …
But otherwise- live and let live

It's not just about my life, it's about society as a whole. It's my right to speak out against religion as much as it's someone's right to promote it.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 20:30

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:20

Ok … I think I was trying to argue that it might be better for social cohesion to accept that you don’t need to always point out flaws in other people’s beliefs

Of course we're allowed to speak against things which trouble us. 🫣

pandasorous · 20/07/2024 20:34

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:20

Ok … I think I was trying to argue that it might be better for social cohesion to accept that you don’t need to always point out flaws in other people’s beliefs

exactly

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:34

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 20:30

Of course we're allowed to speak against things which trouble us. 🫣

Yes - you absolutely are. I’d support you in that . It’s just worth thinking about whether you are happy to insult the people you’re talking to or whether you genuinely want them to understand your point of view.

user1471453601 · 20/07/2024 20:37

I dont, and never would, belittle anyone's belief. And I wouldn't take kindly to anyone who does unprovoked.

however, if someone voluntarily comes on to my property and knocks on my door I will tell them what I believe. That they are at best misguided at worst delusional.

that seems fair to me. They wAnt to peddle their beliefs in and around my home, unasked, so me peddling my beliefs seems like what they invite.

Newsenmum · 20/07/2024 20:40

You’re completely right. I think because it’s seen as a ‘white’ religion linked to life in the uk, so it’s ok to mock. People would be scared of being seen as racist to mock others.

pandasorous · 20/07/2024 20:41

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 20:30

Of course we're allowed to speak against things which trouble us. 🫣

if it's a case that it's affecting you, sure. if it's something you actually know about and have a valid opinion on (not based on wild assumptions or generalisations for example), sure
if someone is shoving their beliefs down your throat, absolutely. but that can still be done civilly. I regularly jehovas witnesses calling at my house. I disagree with many of their beliefs but I can civilly tell them I am not interested and don't feel the need to hold them or their beliefs in contempt.

it's a question of live and let live.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 20:45

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:34

Yes - you absolutely are. I’d support you in that . It’s just worth thinking about whether you are happy to insult the people you’re talking to or whether you genuinely want them to understand your point of view.

If people are 'insulted' by logical explanation and reasoning then perhaps they need to ask themselves why they are reacting in that way? All belief systens should be questioned and challenged - it's up to the individual how much logic they can ignore or how many unanswered questions they will accept.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 20:46

pandasorous · 20/07/2024 20:41

if it's a case that it's affecting you, sure. if it's something you actually know about and have a valid opinion on (not based on wild assumptions or generalisations for example), sure
if someone is shoving their beliefs down your throat, absolutely. but that can still be done civilly. I regularly jehovas witnesses calling at my house. I disagree with many of their beliefs but I can civilly tell them I am not interested and don't feel the need to hold them or their beliefs in contempt.

it's a question of live and let live.

Where did I remotely suggest I'm not 'civil'?

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 20:46

Newsenmum · 20/07/2024 20:40

You’re completely right. I think because it’s seen as a ‘white’ religion linked to life in the uk, so it’s ok to mock. People would be scared of being seen as racist to mock others.

Don't try to mix religion with race please.

C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 20:48

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 19:39

The UK is not predominantly a christian country.
Speaking out about the clear shortcomings of christianity isn't mocking, it's speaking honestly and factually.

Edited

In the last census just under half of people identified as Christian. FYI I am one of those former Christians who is now an atheist and mocks and criticises christianity.

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:52

C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 20:48

In the last census just under half of people identified as Christian. FYI I am one of those former Christians who is now an atheist and mocks and criticises christianity.

That’s fine . You have the right to do that. But - as a Christian- I respect your criticism and I don’t respect your mockery.

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:53

Not that you care about my respect 😆

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 20/07/2024 20:56

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:00

I do understand that for you religion is ridiculous. And that’s your right and it’s a more scientifically logical position than mine. But comparing the adherents of Jedi’ism to the Judaism is, in my view , ridiculous ( your word)
Judaism is a very old religion with a long and rich and torturous history. Jedi’ism is a product of Star Wars .
Ok - you’re equating the two to show how ridiculous religion is - but religion, history, politics and culture are closely intertwined so my plea for courtesy in a discussion about religion is not an attempt to ask for a special favour . I truly believe that refraining from mockery ( not criticism) is an important principle when discussing other people’s religion or culture.

In essence, Jedi'ism posits that there are unseen beings in the Universe who can exert an unseen force to influence certain aspects of said universe, and this unseen force manifests itself in certain, chosen individuals being able to preform acts that are indistinguishable from "magic".

That's a descriptor of Jedi'ism, but it's also a summation of how the Universe functions under God, Jesus Christ, and the clergy, if you happen to believe in the biblical (canon) version of Christianity.

So please explain how you can, with any credibility, deride Jedi'ism as "ridiculous", while simultaneously espousing and endorsing the legitimacy of a 2nd belief system which is inherently no different and purports the exact same things.

I agree Jedi'ism is ridiculous, but no more so than Christianity, and that's why I can not enter "meaningful conversation" with Christians, no matter how well-intentioned they might be. What they believe is, to me, every bit as implausible and derisory as Jedi'ism, which is why, I think, so many atheists struggle to take discourse with religious people seriously. I mean, it's like "come on, you are a grown-up, you are capable of applying common sense and logic, you can not believe this stuff,... surely?"

It's not difficult to see then why atheists become exasperated and start throwing around insults, because to many of us, Christians are every bit as ridiculous and lacking credibility as people running around with lightsabers pretending to "force choke" bad guys.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 20:56

C0rdeliaChase · 20/07/2024 20:48

In the last census just under half of people identified as Christian. FYI I am one of those former Christians who is now an atheist and mocks and criticises christianity.

Just under half isn't 'predominantly'.
Also, lots of folk say 'christian' when they're not active christians (attending church more socially/culturally or who were perhaps brought up in a religious way).
Glad you escaped too. 😬

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:59

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 20/07/2024 20:56

In essence, Jedi'ism posits that there are unseen beings in the Universe who can exert an unseen force to influence certain aspects of said universe, and this unseen force manifests itself in certain, chosen individuals being able to preform acts that are indistinguishable from "magic".

That's a descriptor of Jedi'ism, but it's also a summation of how the Universe functions under God, Jesus Christ, and the clergy, if you happen to believe in the biblical (canon) version of Christianity.

So please explain how you can, with any credibility, deride Jedi'ism as "ridiculous", while simultaneously espousing and endorsing the legitimacy of a 2nd belief system which is inherently no different and purports the exact same things.

I agree Jedi'ism is ridiculous, but no more so than Christianity, and that's why I can not enter "meaningful conversation" with Christians, no matter how well-intentioned they might be. What they believe is, to me, every bit as implausible and derisory as Jedi'ism, which is why, I think, so many atheists struggle to take discourse with religious people seriously. I mean, it's like "come on, you are a grown-up, you are capable of applying common sense and logic, you can not believe this stuff,... surely?"

It's not difficult to see then why atheists become exasperated and start throwing around insults, because to many of us, Christians are every bit as ridiculous and lacking credibility as people running around with lightsabers pretending to "force choke" bad guys.

Oh well - I’m glad you’re no longer comparing Jedi’ism to Judaism .

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 20/07/2024 21:00

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 20:59

Oh well - I’m glad you’re no longer comparing Jedi’ism to Judaism .

Possible the latter is just a typo. It's one letter after all.

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 22:59

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 20/07/2024 21:00

Possible the latter is just a typo. It's one letter after all.

No - it’s not a typo . It’s an attempt to compare an ancient religion with Star Wars . It’s a piss take.

BansheesOfEdSheeran · 20/07/2024 23:02

Does it's age make it somehow more "respectable"? Why?

Even older religions worshipping the sun or the moon, or an ancient rock, or whatever should be even more respected, should they?

This is just nonsense"

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 23:08

BansheesOfEdSheeran · 20/07/2024 23:02

Does it's age make it somehow more "respectable"? Why?

Even older religions worshipping the sun or the moon, or an ancient rock, or whatever should be even more respected, should they?

This is just nonsense"

ok - so you think Jedi’ism is equivalent to Judaism 🙄

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 23:12

Religion is complicated. There are family and cultural ties- even if people are atheist.

MrsSkylerWhite · 20/07/2024 23:14

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BansheesOfEdSheeran · 20/07/2024 23:15

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 23:08

ok - so you think Jedi’ism is equivalent to Judaism 🙄

There's as much evidence for either. Why shouldn't they be compared?

pikkumyy77 · 20/07/2024 23:16

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 20:46

Don't try to mix religion with race please.

The fact that you think Christianity is seen as a white religion says a lot about you.

MrsSkylerWhite · 20/07/2024 23:17

What they said ☝️

It’s all nonsense.

Obviously.