Why did the "Lisa Johnson One to Many" thread get deleted?

[PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon]

I've seen the deletion message but don't understand why the comments that broke talk guidelines couldn't have been deleted and the rest of the thread left to stand.

Lisa Johnson claims that she had it removed because she put pressure on MN to do so.

Can anyone from MNHQ clarify please?

Happy coincidence indeed.
It will be very reassuring to all that your legal team will be able to ensure logos are being used appropriately.

Well, I can’t imagine that would go down too well in a libel case. 😬

You think?

Such a good job I downloaded a copy of the now deleted original thread!

Indeed.

And to answer your previous question, I personally have not (yet) been accused of libel.

This all seems so counter-productive.

Whilst I do understand LJ et al wanting to have their say, I think dignified silence is normally the best policy. This would have died a death ages ago.

I was emailed too, for the final sentence in a page 2 post mentioning that you might choose to spend your money elsewhere if you’re not a fan of manipulation, misinformation and word salad.

I don’t think that post is defamatory - the sentence right before it says she’s not a scammer.

My sentence and post referred to what I perceived as manipulation and misinformation regarding how LJ described alleged sexism on the original mn thread on her Fb page.

MN can take my post down - and this one probably too - but if I wasn’t sure about how LJ conducts business, and how she handles opinions on how she conducts business, I am now!

I can’t be arsed to go up against it, so take it down MNHQ.

When you know, you know.

100%.
A professional statement addressing concerns, possibly including planned changes as required then making no further comment would have been perfect.
I would have viewed that very positively and been interested in learning more about what the company could have offered me.

Agreed.

Instead it’s made it to the first page of Google when you search “Lisa Johnson”
(tried in a different browser - Incognito).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Talk about own goals

She can still rescue this.
All she needs to do is put her ego and emotions aside and think strategically.

Forget about libel and court because given the screenshots and the fact people are allowed opinions and how people view cases such as this, there zero benefit to doing it and it risks coming across as attempts to intimidate people into silence.

Address concerns, review her business with a critical eye and no emotion and make changes where necessary. Be transparent.

Add courses on how to deal professionally with negative views and reviews with emphasis on how the internet works, drawing on her own personal experience and handling of the situation, including mistakes made and what she learned going forward.

🤷

@PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon I have some screenshots. Which specific ones do you need? I have the one where she used the phrase " average lowlife who has time to spend on gossip sites" and "who will never have enough about themselves to educate themselves"

So much for her video saying that she is delighted that there is a thread about her and that she is sending love to people who don't agree with her. You might want to video that (in case she takes it down). Is she claiming that the thread is distressing her/losing her business? On the deleted thread she claimed that 60 people had joined OTM as a result of reading the thread.

Yes the lowlife comment, and ideally also the one where she claimed the thread being removed as some sort of victory on her part!

Is someone saving this thread, in case it also gets deleted?

Yes.

Ohhhhh yes

Clearly MNHQ don't think my posts breach talk guidelines or they'd have deleted them, which means I assume the thread will stand unless too many posts do start to breach talk guidelines!

PMed you.

I wonder if a newspaper would like to take up the story. It seems there is evidence to back up everything you said?

Just had an idle few minutes, so I looked down Lisa's One To Many Facebook page. On it they interview previous people who loved the course, in the build-up to 2024's launch day. Of the five interviews I looked at, every single one is now coaching other people in various ways.

I got an email too.

Rereading my comment back that Lisa's representatives have said is libel, I should have said "in my opinion" in front of it, but I didn't and I'm happy to apologise if it was wrong not to do that.

It was only my opinion, like all my posts on here over the past 20 years.

I've just checked my email and I have one too.

Apparently when I asked
She's a business coach of some sort is she?
she should know this. She should be teaching this.
How can you trust business advice from someone who makes such basic and business damaging errors
That is considered libel.

Absolutely fuck this shit. MN can have my details. If she wants to take me to court she can. I 100% stand by my opinion and all my posts on the best way to do business.

I think all of my posts on this thread talking about how to turn negative publicity into positive publicity and the impact on a business of mishandling a situation and the way she can actually turn this round are absolutely fine and balanced.

I'm going to phone my nephew to get legal advice and ask for him to represent me. He owes me a favour.
I refuse to be intimidated into silence.

would you please send me the screenshots you have also since she has threatened me too?

In fact, could I please have all the screenshots and page saves everyone has? I will compile them into a file for my nephew so he can prepare my defence.

Thank you.

Are you getting emails from LJ or MNHQ?

Anyone who has any evidence that I can use in my defence please email it to me at
[email protected]

mnhq

Ooh, I've had an email from MNHQ as well! Lisa Johnson wants to sue me for libel. It's to an email account I don't use that much, so I went to have a look.

I don't agree with her accusation, but I'm happy for Mumsnet to delete my post. Here is my post without my "opinion" bit:

Lisa Johnson has to offer a fourteen day refund period. @Carab13 . It's the law (under the Distance Selling Directive.).

As to what Lisa Johnson thinks about there being a thread about her, here's what her legal people have said to MNHQ (taken from my email):

These comments are incorrect, defamatory and often personal attacks against Lisa Johnson and her business. Users have openly said throughout the thread that the original and new threads had stopped them from buying from Lisa Johnson so it has negatively affected the business both financially as well as personally.

The thing is, Lisa, for defamation to occur something has to be untrue.