Quite a few aggressive vaccine denying threads lately...

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Is there some sort of concerted campaign afoot? I've noticed a few threads recently, all along the same lines. Very dog whistley...

That’s one thing l don’t have. I never get colds even after 4 jabs.

I know why I don't know anyone who's been vaccine-injured and I understand that if you have been you will reach out to others who have been. My observation was about how a typical anti-vaxxer trope (not yours, ArseintheCoopWindow, as I know you were not opposed to the vaccines philosophically) is how many vaccine-injured people they individually know. Which is statistically unlikely, if not impossible.

And the equal nonsense about how people who have been vaccinated have been constantly ill. Almost everyone I know has been triple or quadruple vaccinated and almost all of them remain robustly healthy, including my parents in their 80s and my friends' parents in their 80s. A couple of people have had bad coughs and colds, as people do every year. But no one has been constantly sick.

That's one of the most idiotic things I've ever read.

Why though the "anti-vaxx" and "nonsense" terminology. Alof of the people here took the vax. They did what they thought was right and were injured as a result. I didn't take it as everything around it felt wrong...but I am certainly not anti-vax. I had the fact that this has become so polarised....

@Ontopofthesunset As a PP said people who are vaccine injured reach out to each other for support So know more than one. Its called living in the digital age The same digital age which enables you to post on here.

@JenniferBooth Yep it's the same with long covid too- there are some very good FB support networks- so it feels like I know a lot of people with LC (or vaccine damage- some of us aren't sure which it is) because 60,000 people on one I use and 100k on another is'a lot' of folks- in real non digital life though I do know quite a few others like myself who are having post covid/vaccine issues -some relatively minor and some more troublesome

@Crikeyalmighty could you let me know the names of the groups you’re talking about.

Dh heard someone in the barbers the other day saying he’d had vaccine induced long Covid. It’s definitely a thing whether you know someone or not.

https://fullfact.org/health/long-covid-vaccination-cause/

some information about long Covid

That’s not neccesarily true.. Try searching for Vaccine induced long Covid. There’s loads of proper research in the US about it.

Brianne Dressenn was dropped from the AZ trials as it affected her. And they didn’t want it on their statistics.

https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-may-cause-long-covid-symptoms

https://twitter.com/rightsforresid2/status/1646184973152428035?s=20

When I joined MN in 2004, there were a lot of people questioning vaccines. Literally loads. You wouldn't have been flamed for it by any means.

Maybe that explains MNHQ's response?

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow The one I use most is just called long covid support group and has 59k members.

It's a private group so you can post on there without other people on FB who aren't in the group seeing what you post.

Dear me. Planning for a pandemic is part of what is done by health bodies in the same way firemen train for fires. In fact, there is work being done now to predict the type of and prepare for the next (far worse, and expected) global pandemic.

Exactly, there is nothing suspicious about planning for pandemics - we just hadn't had anything like that in our lifetimes.

The people that I know who have long covid got it before the vaccine was even available.

Usual narratives of anti vaxxers being proud of themselves for not wearing a mask or having the vaccine. You think you're unique and special 😂

Smallpox eradicated by vaccine

When the smallpox vaccine first became available, people would still get smallpox but less severely.

All of the hesitancy over vaccines is the result of overt and covert opinion manipulation. All of the receptivity comes from dishonest thinking and, frankly, sheer ignorance of statistics and of how vaccines are developed, tested, and authorised for use.

I agree with this 💯
Only last night, my friend texted me a message saying that the covid vaccine is causing heart damage and that it wasn't tested properly. I told her this is untrue - that no steps were missed out - they were all completed more quickly because the need was there to do it.

My friend isn't generally a conspiracy theorist but this nonsense view has seeped into her mind.

Only last night, my friend texted me a message saying that the covid vaccine is causing heart damage and that it wasn't tested properly. I told her this is untrue - that no steps were missed out - they were all completed more quickly because the need was there to do it*

I’m pro vax and not a conspiracy theorist. I used to think like you, until l got a severe vax injury. Why is there a legal case against AZ if it was tested properly? Why am l lying here unable to walk if it was tested properly? Why was Brianne Dresden dropped from the AZ trial when she became severely ill during the AZ trials if it was tested properly?
It was rolled out under rapid emergency legislation. We had to agree to the waiver.

Was it really tested properly?

All vaccines will have a risk of vaccine injury, unfortunately but I don't think that means that vaccines are not important. You can react badly to literally any drug.

I'm really sorry that you're in this position and it's not that I don't believe that some people have had a very severe reaction.

If covid were to happen again, I would still take the vaccines because in my town there were people who definitely died from Covid before the vaccines were available. One of them a 32 year old fitness fanatic who had two young children.

One of the main issues relating to covid was how unpredictable it is and also the revelation that it can affect pregnant women really badly.

Well that certainly touched a nerve 😂 and I did not address the comment directly to you whereas you have decided to address me with a personal attack. That sort of thing is going to get peoples backs up.

And I stand by my comment. You are patting yourself on the back and expressing how proud you are of yourself because you don't believe in science. So evidently you think you know more than scientists who have studied disease and immunology for many years, making it their life's work.

Don't think what Brianne Dressen (& her husband Brian Dressen) campaign about should be called Long Covid. Brianne had neurological symptoms start before she got home from her 1st dose C19 vaccine & was hospitalised < 24 hours later for the neurological symptoms. The IVIG infusions intrigue me, I wonder what exactly is in the cocktail of Brianne's regular IVIG infusions.

It’s vaccine induced long Covid. That’s what I’ve got. I’ve lost my sense of smell and been very unwell twice after 2 vaccines within a week. Repeated negative tests. What other infections give you loss of smell?

What are you doing to ensure you don’t get it? We all hoped we wouldn’t get it - particularly those with health conditions but unfortunately it’s a very easily transmitted virus .

Pandemic planning has always been a thing - one of my friends was a Registrar and had to have contingency plans for recording significant deaths.