Right, what is MN doing to crack down on racism?

[Ostryga]

I want a full response.

Because it is completely out of hand now. This is not ok. It’s not just dog whistle and littlle digs, it is blatant. There is horrific racism happening constantly and still the usual culprits come back for more.

I can’t read about anyone other than white being belittled any longer,

WHAT is MNHQ going to do??

*when

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is there a particular thread this is referring to?

it's sad to hear, i thought they were usually quite good.

Report every single post. No it shouldn’t be up to us as site users but ‘to see the change be the change’.

What thread ?

I can't imagine horrific, blatant constant racism being allowed to stand.

I aside from delete and ban posters once they have posted something racist, there isn't much that MN can do.

They can raise awareness of issues of racisim. But they can only deal with posters reactively.

Its pretty horrific if MN are choosing to let them stand.

@Ihopeyourcakeisshit

I can't imagine horrific, blatant constant racism being allowed to stand.

This.

That’s exactly the point. It’s not blatant. Same with homophobia on here.

It’s snide, it’s implicit, it’s coated in a respectable middle class Boden coat. All OK then, isn’t it? I mean, as long as it isn’t blatant

Ditto ageism.

All we can do is continue to report.

And hope we don't get a suspension threatened for reporting too much.

The problem is people have different definitions of what is and isn’t racist don’t they? Not always for nefarious reasons. They simply don’t realise or don’t agree that they are being. I can’t see how that can ever be tackled fully. What can MNHQ actually do apart from stamp on it wherever it’s brought to their attention?

And the sexism/misandry here too. I agree about racism but a lot of beliefs i.e a wish to discuss a reduction in immigration simply aren't racist. And I firmly believe that whilst staying in facts (with evidence and sources) some uncomfortable discussions be allowed to stand. There seems to be a great deal of complaints in an attempt to shut down discussion (there is no free speech here as it is a privately owned site). Where actually the views have stayed firmly on the correct side of the law. Some conversations are uncomfortable and will offend but it's important we have them (the sex and gender debate board would have been shut down on many websites). I think we just need consistency of enforcement anything that makes unfounded sweeping generalisations based on sex, race or religion regardless of that group should be removed. For example when statistical crime data is used against men it is allowed to stand take a similar stance against another group grouping by race or religion then it isn't.

Cornhill, nobody is saying as long as it isn't blatant it's all ok
The opening post is very passionate and I presumed from the choice of language that a particular thread was involved?

nobody is saying as long as it isn’t blatant it’s all ok

But people are saying MN would never allow blatant racism to stand, and the obvious inference is that not-quite-so-blatant-racism does.

Hello, we do not tolerate racism on the boards and we apologise to anyone who feels they have experienced otherwise here.

We are a post moderated site and so we rely on posts that break talk guidelines being reported to us. We will remove anything that breaks these guidelines including posts that are racist or that are posted with the sole intention of goading others. We also ban users who we doubt are here with the best of intentions.

Please do report anything that you think crosses a line and we will take a look.

Tell us what posts all these things are on. The ones that are still up. P.s just because you think something is racist/homophobic etc doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to disagree with you

Any examples?

There are people on one of the Azeem Rafiq threads defending Gary Ballance who racially abused him.

@bustersword

There are people on one of the Azeem Rafiq threads defending Gary Ballance who racially abused him.

So are you saying MN should remove the posts? Those people are entitled to say what they think even if you disagree with it

I agree. Antisemitism is also frequently allowed to stand despite reports. MN need to sort this out.